Wheres the Bimmer's?

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Funny, I didn't even notice the slip and read it as ship bonus like he intended rather than LCE. Oops. :)
 
That sucks a little but if they're not part of the season then fair enough.

Season Pass holders like me are getting a slew of DLC already so I can't complain.

I know, right! I never regretted getting the season pass! And I already had the LCE cars, so that's probably why I mixed them up :D
 
Yeah, I saw you their are 1M's to be had in the auction house for under 50K.
That's not so bad.
Edit: Except I still can't buy them. lol

I've got to be honest youngnate I've not really got a clue as to why you're complaining. You can't buy the 1M because you didn't get it as a pre-order bonus and you seem stubborn to buy even DLC you would enjoy.

The system is how it is and will stay how it is for the foreseeable future, If you don't wish to buy any DLC items then don't buy any but you can't complain about it when it's a model that those of us who buy DLC are used to. In fact I actually think the Forza DLC is much more reasonable priced than other DLC such as the mega over priced COD map packs.

Oh and there's plenty of incredible BMW's in the game anyway, I don't know what other BMW's you'd really want to be honest?
 
I've got to be honest youngnate I've not really got a clue as to why you're complaining. You can't buy the 1M because you didn't get it as a pre-order bonus and you seem stubborn to buy even DLC you would enjoy.

The system is how it is and will stay how it is for the foreseeable future, If you don't wish to buy any DLC items then don't buy any but you can't complain about it when it's a model that those of us who buy DLC are used to. In fact I actually think the Forza DLC is much more reasonable priced than other DLC such as the mega over priced COD map packs.

Oh and there's plenty of incredible BMW's in the game anyway, I don't know what other BMW's you'd really want to be honest?

Yes I can and will complain, regardless of wether you think I am allowed to or not. DLC Cars at 99 cents a pop please. Just like my music. It's a forum and that's my opinion. Take it or leave it. Just like I leave the cool DLC Cars. DLC is for suckers who are too dependant on new content to placate their e/consumption habit, just like drug fiends in my opinion. $7 a month for a few cars a month. Think I will apply that to my gym membership or something. This is a Hobby for me, not a lifestyle.
Enjoy your black Jetta btw. It looks awesome. That is the last and most important reason to avoid the DLC for me, others can't even see your car, which I am sure is really cool. You spent lot's of time besides your money on it so it can look like a stupid boxy Jetta. Wacked. That is the stupidest thing ever. Why pay for something to show off that looks stupid to everyone else? Height of stupidity if you ask me. But hey, that's just my opinion and Turn 10 still has plenty of season pass holders I am sure.
 
Yes I can and will complain, regardless of wether you think I am allowed to or not. DLC Cars at 99 cents a pop please. Just like my music. It's a forum and that's my opinion. Take it or leave it. Just like I leave the cool DLC Cars.

You can buy all but a handful of the DLC cars individually, as you've already pointed out.

DLC is for suckers who are too dependant on new content to placate their e/consumption habit, just like drug fiends in my opinion. $7 a month for a few cars a month.

I'll use the example of the new Pagani - if it weren't for DLC, we wouldn't see the car in the Forza series until FM5, thanks to EA. DLC makes these sorts of additions possible, when previous generations were stuck with the cars on the shipped disc, and only those, until the sequel arrived.

Think I will apply that to my gym membership or something. This is a Hobby for me, not a lifestyle.

By that logic, why throw money at game systems at all? DLC, or a full game, really, they're never exactly a good value-for-money proposition if you look at it productivity-wise ;)

Enjoy your black Jetta btw. It looks awesome. That is the last and most important reason to avoid the DLC for me, others can't even see your car, which I am sure is really cool. You spent lot's of time besides your money on it so it can look like a stupid boxy Jetta. Wacked. That is the stupidest thing ever. Why pay for something to show off that looks stupid to everyone else? Height of stupidity if you ask me. But hey, that's just my opinion and Turn 10 still has plenty of season pass holders I am sure.

If people are too lazy to download the free car each month (which includes the data for the rest of the pack), then that's the case. It'd be handy if it was a forced update (similar to GT5's), but as it is, there's nothing in the way past laziness. All of the pre-order cars are already on the disc, as well.
 
Yes I can and will complain, regardless of wether you think I am allowed to or not. DLC Cars at 99 cents a pop please. Just like my music. It's a forum and that's my opinion. Take it or leave it. Just like I leave the cool DLC Cars. DLC is for suckers who are too dependant on new content to placate their e/consumption habit, just like drug fiends in my opinion. $7 a month for a few cars a month. Think I will apply that to my gym membership or something. This is a Hobby for me, not a lifestyle.
Enjoy your black Jetta btw. It looks awesome. That is the last and most important reason to avoid the DLC for me, others can't even see your car, which I am sure is really cool. You spent lot's of time besides your money on it so it can look like a stupid boxy Jetta. Wacked. That is the stupidest thing ever. Why pay for something to show off that looks stupid to everyone else? Height of stupidity if you ask me. But hey, that's just my opinion and Turn 10 still has plenty of season pass holders I am sure.

Lol @ your comment about dlc being an addiction. I could care less if DLC was available or not, but if its supplied then whats the problem with buying it if it only improves the game? Cool you don't want it, get off your ass and put it towards your "gym membership" instead of getting mad at people because they dont get why you complain about a car company that has plenty of great cars. What i really find funny is how can a measly $7 get you so riled up. I find that in my pockets almost every time i wash my clothes.

You dont want DLC, then dont buy it, but dont get mad because you dont want to cough up the small(and i mean very small) amount of money it costs to get them. Oh and on a side note, i could care less what people see my car. Last time i checked it was a race not Hot Import Nights.
 
I am missing out on 10% of the cars in game because I wont spend an additional $84 a year for DLC. Or whatever a season pass costs.

Was that one guy telling me I am lazy because i won't download car's I don't have...? Turn 10 should make me download the update/free car and take up precious room on my hard drive so I can look at your DLC that I can't have.
Priceless.

For the guy questioning me about how much money I have and having $7 in his pockets at wash. Money is not the problem, value is. I saved enough money for three PS3's and two Xbox 360's and the displays to go with them making these kind of choices all the time.
Smart people like choice and that's what I want when it comes to DLC. Not an all or nothing ultimatum mixed with locked cars and such.

I don't know why every one comes after people who don't like the DLC model and voice they're opinion. I am only trying to convey that their are more potential customers out there if there were more than one option. For an intelligent and value conscious individual, It's the Season pass or nothing. I feel sorry for you if your popping the $7 a month because you can't save for the Season pass.
Me personally, give me the cars for 99 cents and let me decide which ones I want. Don't hide several crappy cars I care less about with 2 or 3 cars I do and sell me them all for $7 How can I drive ten new cars at once anyway?

Choice Choice Choice Choice Choice Choice Choice Choice please
 
Choice Choice Choice Choice Choice Choice Choice Choice please
There's the seasonal pass if you want stuff cheap, there are the normal car packs if you want some sort of middle ground and there's the individual cars if you want cherry picked stuff at a premium. Really, what more choice do you want?

From your posts, it doesn't look like you want a choice; there's a choice already. Granted, there is a quantity discount in place, but I'd say that that's a fairly typical business model in jsut about every industy. If you're buying a single, each song on the disc will cost you more than buying the whole album, that's jsut how it works. You're not voicing your opinion about the lack of choice, you're complaining about your preffered choice (cherry picking your cars) isn't the one that's the cheapest.

Also, I'll go out on a limb and tell you that that sort of DLC model is never, ever going to be the cheapest. You can voice your opinion all you like, I'll be the last person to try and stop you from doing so. All I'll tell is: it's entirely futile. Even games that are based on nothing but micro transaction, where you're buying stuff individually, piece by piece, are often offering packs, which are cheaper then buying the included items individually.

And, in the end, it's always an all or nothing ultimatum. Like a product, buy it. Don't like it, don't buy it.
 
Youngnate13, A couple of things:

The season pass is better value overall. However I'd rather spread the cost over the months as it makes it more affordable to me rather than blow a whole load of money on buying all the packs totally blind. To me that isn't smart, I still have my CHOICE to buy the DLC when it comes out, those that have the season pass don't, they're stuck with whatever T10 dishes out as they've paid for it already.

I'm starting to lose patience with this as it's clear that you're just determined to argue against whatever is put forward to you.

You CAN buy the DLC separately, you CAN see the DLC cars if you were to download the free car, you CAN get a good deal by buying the season pass for all the passes and finally, you CAN chose not to buy the DLC at all if you wish. No one is forcing you to do anything, you have an unbelievable choice when it comes to what you buy in terms of DLC for this game, more so than 90% of other games.

It's not T10's fault if you want to penny pinch to an extreme level, they gave you 3 different ways to purchase the dlc, so you really can't complain about it to be honest.

Also if you're complaining about hard drive space then:

1. Do you have a USB stick? as if you do then plug that in to your xbox, format it and then you have another way to store your save data, DLC, etc.

2. Go out and buy a bigger hard drive.
 
For the guy questioning me about how much money I have and having $7 in his pockets at wash. Money is not the problem, value is. I saved enough money for three PS3's and two Xbox 360's and the displays to go with them making these kind of choices all the time.
Smart people like choice and that's what I want when it comes to DLC. Not an all or nothing ultimatum mixed with locked cars and such.
No one was questioning how much money you have, so no need to try and flaunt your possessions. Your complaining about not wanting to buy new cars to improve a game, for only $7, but you buy 5 consoles and T.V's just to play a game? and your the one saying its a hobby, not a lifestyle ha. Funny thing is, you have lots of choices available but instead you choose to complain. You buy songs for 99cents each but you can buy a whole CD cheaper if you purchase the whole rather then one by one, yet you complain about buying one car at a time when its exactly what your used to doing.

I don't know why every one comes after people who don't like the DLC model and voice they're opinion. I am only trying to convey that their are more potential customers out there if there were more than one option. For an intelligent and value conscious individual, It's the Season pass or nothing. I feel sorry for you if your popping the $7 a month because you can't save for the Season pass.
Your the one actually going after everyone because they like DLC. Penny pinch all you want, because in the end the price is so minimal that it really shouldnt even be that much of a burden on anybody. The season pass is not an intelligent investment as you have no idea if your going to like the cars or not, I didnt buy the Season pass for that exact reason. I spend the money it costs to get it, and what if i get a bunch of packs with cars i dont like? thats why i'd rather dish out $7 for the packs i want. On the other hand though, there are people who dont care what they get as long as its more cars so that can go either way.

I feel sorry for you if this is as big a problem for you as you make it seem.
 
On the other hand though, there are people who dont care what they get as long as its more cars so that can go either way.
There are also people who had some faith in T10, some faith that they would offer some decent cars in their paccks. Like myself. And so far, it payed of very well.
 
Last thing. I am a 37 year old man with 5 kids, all of which play games and I have money. I just don't throw it around at $7 DLC packs I can't share within the family. The rest of you don't get it and i don't expect you to come over and see things from my point of view. This is for Turn 10, not you. Their model does not take into account that for me and my son to enjoy the DLC. It would cost $120 annually for Xbox Live and I would have to pop for both the season passes at an additional $65 plus two copies of the game. Grand total is now $305 for the first year. The DLC that GT5 offers up can be shared across multiple consoles within the same family so I only have to buy it once. Not to mention they are a better value to begin with and include tracks too. But since it came with practically every car from the previous games, around 1,000 cars, I don't really need DLC Cars for it, do I?
Anyone get the value I am talking about yet?
Don't waste your time arguing with me. I am not talking to you. Just seeing if this might make it's way across to a Turn 10 employee with his head on straight enough to recognize there is a market they are missing out on.
They market to 13-28 year old boys who don't think about how they spend their money always and make $7 a DLC pack monthly off lots of them so can't blame them. Just reminding them that families and Adults with other priorities play games too and might enjoy some DLC if offered up in a family friendly manner. Like Sony does it for Gran Turismo. Think I covered all the issues I have with microsoft/Turn 10's DLC. I would like to buy it, just doesn't make sense for my situation.
 
Don't waste your time arguing with me. I am not talking to you. Just seeing if this might make it's way across to a Turn 10 employee with his head on straight enough to recognize there is a market they are missing out on.

This is not a T10 forum, if you wish to get a message directly to them I would suggest the official FM4 forums.

To post here and not expect other to comment and discuss you posts, is to be a honest a little unrealistic.


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Last thing. I am a 37 year old man with 5 kids, all of which play games and I have money. I just don't throw it around at $7 DLC packs I can't share within the family. The rest of you don't get it and i don't expect you to come over and see things from my point of view. This is for Turn 10, not you. Their model does not take into account that for me and my son to enjoy the DLC. It would cost $120 annually for Xbox Live and I would have to pop for both the season passes at an additional $65 plus two copies of the game. Grand total is now $305 for the first year. The DLC that GT5 offers up can be shared across multiple consoles within the same family so I only have to buy it once. Not to mention they are a better value to begin with and include tracks too. But since it came with practically every car from the previous games, around 1,000 cars, I don't really need DLC Cars for it, do I?
Anyone get the value I am talking about yet?
Don't waste your time arguing with me. I am not talking to you. Just seeing if this might make it's way across to a Turn 10 employee with his head on straight enough to recognize there is a market they are missing out on.
They market to 13-28 year old boys who don't think about how they spend their money always and make $7 a DLC pack monthly off lots of them so can't blame them. Just reminding them that families and Adults with other priorities play games too and might enjoy some DLC if offered up in a family friendly manner. Like Sony does it for Gran Turismo. Think I covered all the issues I have with microsoft/Turn 10's DLC. I would like to buy it, just doesn't make sense for my situation.
No one is going to understand where you are coming from? Don't act like your the only one doing what you do. While i don't have kids as I'm only 23, i do have little brothers. Guess what, your not the only one forking over money for children. I'll stop at that though as i do understand it does get pricey not being able to share content. It doesn't bother me much though, because they don't have the same games as i do so i have no problem with it really. This is going to sound rude, but you come off really ignorant but coming from someone almost half your age i don't think that's going to matter much to you. I'm a 23 year old "boy" but that doesn't mean i don't know how to spend my money, it just means i have enough money on the side after putting away money for bills to spend my money on what i see as an improvement to a game.
 
But since [GT5] came with practically every car from the previous games, around 1,000 cars, I don't really need DLC Cars for it, do I?
So 1000 cars are enough for you to pass on DLC, but 500 cars aren't? Where's the border between "enough" and "not enough"...837 cars?

Maybe you'd find more cars to drive in FM4 if you didn't gloss over ~90% of a manufacturer's offerings as "big fat luxury sedans" because they happen to not be the two cars you're already familiar with. :dopey:

They market to 13-28 year old boys who don't think about how they spend their money always and make $7 a DLC pack monthly off lots of them so can't blame them.
The insinuation is cute, but I'm not sure you're in a position to be labelling others as immature.
 
Their model does not take into account that for me and my son to enjoy the DLC. It would cost $120 annually for Xbox Live and I would have to pop for both the season passes at an additional $65 plus two copies of the game.
Let me get this straight. You're such a "value-conscious" person that you're upset about spending 7$ twice, but you'd rather shell out for two Xboxes, two copies of Forza 4, two XBL subscription and you seemingly still purchase the DLC - instead of just sharing an account with your family?

See, I can see that there are very obvious benefits to having multiple consoles, copies of the game and XBL accounts, no reason to remind me of that. What's making me scratch my head is that you're claiming to be such a value oriented person and come of as, well, stingy as far as DLC goes, but you seem to not act like that, aside from DLC.

I just don't get why someone who's willing to shell out so much money for a hobby already is getting ticked of because of the (in comparison) few additional bucks that come with the DLC model. I just don't get it.
 
I'm not sure if you are serious, or just trolling us here?
If you want them to sell their cars for 99 cents, why dont you try to develop, get licenses from the car manufacturer, model the car, input massive amounts of data to make the car realistic, and then sell it for 99 cents.
Yup.

Also, if you have 5 kids that's your choice. I doubt all of them want to play Forza. If you can't find 7 extra bucks a month, then you may need a new job.
 
Just went to attempt the BMW challenges. Noticed a fair amount of them must have been offered as DLC instead of available on game disc.
Seem to be missing out on the....
M1 '11
F10 M5
M3 GTR
E60 M5
E92 M3
M Coupe?
Some of those might be listed, but I am pretty sure the GTR and M1 '11 not available on disc.

1M '11 - DLC, in pre-order or launch pack.
F10 M5 '12 - In M5 DLC Pack
M3 GTR - not in game
E60 M5 - try the BMW dealer in the car dealership.
E92 M3 - Same as E60 M5
Z3 M Coupe - Same as E60 M5
 
I am missing out on 10% of the cars in game because I wont spend an additional $84 a year for DLC. Or whatever a season pass costs.

You're missing out on optional extras. That are post-release because if a racing game developer waited to include all cars, the game would never be released.

A season pass costs $30. If you bought the LCE edition for $80, that'd bring the total up to $110.

By way of comparison, GT5 CE cost me $100, and the only difference I got in-game compared to the regular $60 version was a few cars with horsepower bumped to about 110%, weight down by about 5%, and a few stripes and GT logos.

It's easy for me to justify spending that much on a single game, compared to non-racing games at the typical $60 a pop, simply because racing games have essentially infinite replayability. Obviously, your mileage may vary.

Was that one guy telling me I am lazy because i won't download car's I don't have...? Turn 10 should make me download the update/free car and take up precious room on my hard drive so I can look at your DLC that I can't have.
Priceless.

Do you complain about GT's mandatory patches too? You know, the ones that include all the new car data for each upcoming DLC, and are mandatory if you want to play online?

FM4's single-free-DLC-car downloads are the same, except you can choose to avoid them, see black Jettas, and still play online. So yes, it's laziness. If you're that concerned with something less than 200mb in size taking up "precious space", then maybe racing games in general, on consoles, are a bad idea.

Smart people like choice and that's what I want when it comes to DLC. Not an all or nothing ultimatum mixed with locked cars and such.

You have plenty of choice. There's the Season Pass. There's the monthly packs. There's single-car downloads (with exception to a few cars). Your complaint is that your particular choice isn't the cheapest. Though as has been pointed out, buying in bulk has always been the cheapest option in nearly any area of life.

How can I drive ten new cars at once anyway?

Wait... what?

"I bought this new game, and it has 500 cars, but how can I drive 500 new cars at once anyways?"

There are also people who had some faith in T10, some faith that they would offer some decent cars in their paccks. Like myself. And so far, it payed of very well.

Considering I came into this nearly blind in regard to FM and T10... I've been pretty satisfied too 👍. There's been a handful of cars I've had little to no interest in in the packs, but largely, it's been stuff I want to drive.

It would cost $120 annually for Xbox Live and I would have to pop for both the season passes at an additional $65 plus two copies of the game. Grand total is now $305 for the first year.

Why two copies of the game? Unless you're playing on two separate consoles, in which case... yeah, that'd be the case with any game. Not really T10's fault you have to pay for XBL, either.

I haven't looked into it, but I thought Microsoft offered a family plan for XBL?

The DLC that GT5 offers up can be shared across multiple consoles within the same family so I only have to buy it once.

Now. That wasn't always the case, and it took massive fan outrage and some back-pedaling on Kaz' part to change that.

Not to mention they are a better value to begin with and include tracks too.

Better value? Other than the tracks... how? The car packs have been more-per-car than Forza (with exception to the Touring Car pack, which were all modified versions of cars already in the game). Don't get me started on the paint pack.

But since it came with practically every car from the previous games, around 1,000 cars, I don't really need DLC Cars for it, do I?

Well no, I suppose not. Unless you want any car produced after 2005. And, obviously, any produced before that that aren't covered in the list.

Anyone get the value I am talking about yet?

Other than the family-friendly angle, no. Especially as this was originally about BMW's, of which it's been pointed out they're mostly all there.
 
Other than the family-friendly angle, no. Especially as this was originally about BMW's, of which it's been pointed out they're mostly all there.[/QUOTE]

Sweet. I made one point.

BMW's were just an introduction to what I was missing out on via DLC.
Family friendly? NO. Case solved
Move on already
 
no you didn't make any point, because you said that bmw was missing its most "sportiest"
cars, which it is not. BMW's was the whole reason this thread was started. You claimed to miss out on all sorts of "sporty" BMW's, but the most "sporty" models are all there. The only reason you seem to think you made a point is because you backed out on your original argument of the lack of "sporty" BMW's. The only one that was lacking from your original post was the M3 GTR, which is a unicorn car if you actually took the time to try to earn it. Yeah you don't want to pay for the others(actually let me rephrase that, you dont want to pay for one single car and actually there is no other. It's just one single car), but that's your problem not T10's. You can very well have them use one similar console, instead of buying 2 like you claimed to have done, and have them race split screen.

Its very easy for me to move on, but for someone to be as ignorant as that and still try to argue, its kind of a ridiculous really.

He might be running triple monitors?????

He very well can be running Trip. monitors, but to be talking down on something as "serious" as $7 a DLC pack is kind of ridiculous. He claims that its a hobby not a lifestyle that's why he doesn't pay, but to have 3 PS3's, 2 360's and supporting TV's is kind of a redundant argument.

BMW's were just an introduction to what I was missing out on via DLC.
Family friendly? NO. Case solved
Move on already
Family Friendly, yes. No one told you to go and buy each of your five kids an Xbox 360. If you want to spoil them, then spoil them dont half ass it.
 
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