Which car in the spider/roadster cup?

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Let's see... First was the RUF 3400s.

Then for the compendium, I used a Mugen S2000. Lightweight flywheel, racing transmission and full LSD. Then super slicks, and lightweight 1. Grabbed an oil change, and a waxing. All these upgrades put me at 347 hp.

With qualifying, (usually 3rd or 4th) I managed a 2.6+, a 16+ and a 46+ second win at the three tracks. The key is to stay smooth, and win on pit schedule. The AI all pit at least once (except for the Elise 190 and the ZZs).

Good luck,

Try a search next time, and you'll have a handful of threads to read.

AO
 
I used the Mercedes SLK and Mugen S2000.

I couldn´t keep up with the AI with the SLK in the last race, so I changed to the Mugen
 
I also used the Mugen S2000, set up much like Der Alta's. I suspect we were using the same car, in fact, from the same competition.
 
This is one of my favorite series in the game because seems like the AI is so consistent. That allows you to choose a car, do a little testing for mods and make it really hard or really easy... My preference is really really hard.

The competition is only the Griffith when he is there. That is most all the time however, I believe I recall the MS Elise being the competition in one or two of the line up the game offers up. That being said:

I think one of the most challenging and fun cars is the Cobra which is, obviously the car you win there so if you don't want to spend the money this is all moot. The car is soooo tail happy it is a hoot to try and learn to control it. Cobra with racing tranny picking tires accordingly and whatever other mods to help you control it=fun times and a learning experience that will make you faster everywhere in the game. Cobra controlled=easy win even with no mods to the motor.

Mazdaratis are fun too. Can be a pretty easy win if you overtune them. (I say "them" because you can win the series in any one of them.) They can also be easily set up to make the series really competitive. I found the J model (old one stock 12x hp or the 13x hp) to actually be the faster one when tuned up so I would say the LS (new body style) is the choice if you want competive.

Any of the S2000 (Mugen, Spoon, Honda) are good choices for easy wins or competitive wins.

Ruf 3400s as well as the Griffith are pretty much a walk unless you really skimp on mods. Both are incredibly stable right out of the box and only get better with mods and correct tuning. They drive differently because of the difference in their platforms so the choice is your preference there. Of all of the choices, I think these are the hardest to make competitive. You can't hardly not lose with either of these just slightly tuned.

Silvia I've yet to try.

Benz is the same as the Mazda LS thing as far as I'm concerned although with fewer choices to make an easy win if you are fairly new to the game.

At Grand Valley, The Griffith jumps out ahead and pits at 5. If you are running clean laps in the 1'57.xxx range, you will pass him before he pits easy. You might even pass him at the 1'58.xxx range. I think if you are running clean 2'02.xxx and don't pit, you win... tight, but you win. Anything beyond that and you have a questionably tight race.

The Trial Mt. race is the tougher nut to crack in my opinion. If you won handily at Grand Valley, the same car will win here but if you barely won at Grand Valley, you will have a time of it here.

The Blue Beach is the easiest of the three as far as I'm concerned. AI doesn't ever seem to get this track for some reason or another. If you won handily at either of the two previous races, you will be all alone during this race. Want competitive here? I would suggest ditching some mods.

phattboy

Edit:

By the way... If you haven't already, you really should read the compendium that Der Alta put together for a slew of information in this regard. My opinion is it is a must read for GT3 players and well worth your while.

http://www.deralta.net/compendium
 
Originally posted by 87chevy
toyota MR-S.

Nix the MR-S for me... Had a little time tonight so I full tilted it and couldn't get there. You must be waaaayyyy faster than me. My fastest laps were a second off the pace needed to win.

Now that I think about it, I might not have had full lighten on it so I may have to give it another shot at some point. My wounds will need to heal first though.

phattboy
 
Okay... I take that back. Not only did I forget to light the thing properly, but I forgot this thing runs turbo also. Easy win with leisurely 1'58.xxx - 2'00.xxx lap times. You're right! Fun little car at this level. Might have to try it with N/A again since it is lighter. I think I could find the extra time I was off last night.

phattboy

Edit: BTW, lap times above were on Grand Valley in case you didn't figure that out.
 
This is one of my favorite races because the Elise 190 can win it.

If you can win the Pro Elise Trophy with the Elise 190, it's pretty easy to do the Pro Spider & Roadster with it.

I did the Pro Elise with about all the upgrades except I only had Lightweight 1, and I used the stock suspension/brakes/transmission. Then I didn't even have to change the oil to win the Pro Spider & Roadster after that.
 
Ran Grand Valley Speedway in a 3400S fully tuned but with default settings, managed 1'59 on most laps. Used T2s and so didn't pit. The griggith 500 obviously came 2nd, then ZZS by 3 secs, then Elise 190 by 20, another 3400S by afurther 21 and the S2000 Type V by another 32, making him 1 minute 53 seconds behind!!
 
I'm done with the S&R cup but now im stuck om the elise trophy. Can anyone help here? Ive tried tonnes of setups, but i just cant do the second race. DO you think i should start again in the 190 or keep the motorsport elise?
 
I ran it in a MS Elise pushing about 279 HP and race suspension and LSD. I used T3 tires in front and T4s in back - the only time I've ever successfully mixed tires on a car.

The main thing about the Elise is to stay off the rumble strips. With the light weight of the car they are just too unsettling.

Which track is #2 again?
 
apricot hill. Only trouble is, I started with a stage 3 turbo on it with 363 hp and i can only reduce to about 310 or so by taking the muffler and CPU off.
 
You can remove the turbo... unless that puts you down way too far? Even at 310 hp you should be pretty good to go.

I started from the back of the pack at 6th and moved up to 3rd on lap 1. I then whittled away at the leaders and took 1st on lap 8 when they started to pit. I did not pit and I hung on for a 1.low" MOV over the other MS Elise.

My fast lap for that race was 1':26.648" and my average over 10 laps was 1':29.048".
 
Originally posted by neon_duke
I ran it in a MS Elise pushing about 279 HP and race suspension and LSD. I used T3 tires in front and T4s in back - the only time I've ever successfully mixed tires on a car.

The main thing about the Elise is to stay off the rumble strips. With the light weight of the car they are just too unsettling.

Which track is #2 again?

How is the Motorsport Elise in the race in the first place? You can't even race it yourself. Its just like the Tommy Kaira ZZ-S, you can't use it, but they can.
 
Originally posted by Polyphony001
apricot hill. Only trouble is, I started with a stage 3 turbo on it with 363 hp and i can only reduce to about 310 or so by taking the muffler and CPU off.

What else do you have for upgrades? Suspension? Brakes? Tranny? What are the options we have to work with here?

I personally don't like the race suspension on either of the Elise's. I prefer the semi-racing or even normal. It seems like the race suspension is hard to set up without a lot of experience with it. I would bet you would be better off even with the normal suspension if you are having trouble tuning the racing one. At any rate, I prefer softer suspension to harder with the Elise's.

If you have the racing tranny, tune it with the "tranny trick" and then set it way down so you barely hit 6th gear by 3/4 of the way down the front straight. At 310 HP that is likely to be way down to around 3.00. That will help you be smoother. With either of the Elise's, you need to learn to feather the gas much more than you are likely accustomed. Once you figure that out, the car starts "sweetening" up.

Don't try to power it... The Elise's don't like to be pushed, they like to be "massaged".

neon_duke couldn't be more right about staying off the rumble strips.

If you have LSD, set it 5/5/5 and see if you don't get a little more control in turning with less butt end swipe.

Click up the TCS to 2-3 and ditch any hint of ASM.

You may also want to consider... You just ran the Enduro here in a front engine, rear drive car. The line is basically the same except adjusting for not touching the rumble strips, the acceleration points change because the Elise is mid-rear which feels different. Almost like torque steer which acts to straighten you out when you accelerate. Feather through the corner with the throttle and then as you come back straight off the apex, feed the throttle in don't just jamb it in.

At this point, I would stay with the MS Elise... I have raced it both ways and the MS Elise is easier in almost every situation. The only advantage of the Elise 190 is it doesn't eat tires nearly as bad. On that neon_duke is also correct, for the MS Elise, mix the tires front and rear with harder in the front.

Edit: If you run a sports suspension with shocks medium to light say around 3-4 with camber angle at 2.0/1.0 you actually reverse the tire thing and run the harder in the rear for even tire wear. Plus, I just checked my tranny settings like I was talking above, the final shouldn't be around 3.00, it is more like 3.25-3.35 with the MS Elise around 310 HP. Also, it looks like I had my LSD at 10/20/10 last time I raced it... don't know why??? Must have liked it better.

phattboy
 
Originally posted by Darin
How is the Motorsport Elise in the race in the first place? You can't even race it yourself. Its just like the Tommy Kaira ZZ-S, you can't use it, but they can.

See post #15... He is asking about the Elise Trophy now. Misleading thread title now.

phattboy
 
Originally posted by Polyphony001
I'm done with the S&R cup but now im stuck om the elise trophy. Can anyone help here? Ive tried tonnes of setups, but i just cant do the second race. DO you think i should start again in the 190 or keep the motorsport elise?

The Motor Sport Elise is faster than the Elise 190.

The Elise trophy is just about the hardest series, because the AI gets 296HP MS Elises and 271HP Elise 190's.
 
Great amplification and detail from pattboy. The man is rapidly shaping up as one of our senior generals!

I get along well with midengine cars, but even so, the Elise can be a little high maintenance in terms of what it demands of the driver. It defintitely likes small, smooth control inputs of all kinds.
 
that very detailed post of phattboy's really blew me away. I have very basic tuning skills, aparently this ol'guy is a freekin' master! I knew the MS Elise, and all other Elise's were good cars.
 
And BTW... Rome II and Deep Forest are the hard races on the Elise Trophy. The MS Elises don't pit in those races. Deep Forest is probably the harder one.
 
You know you are getting old when you have back to back post's in which one refers to you as "senior" and the other says "ol'guy":lol: :lol: :lol:

seniorphattol'guy :lol:
 
I have won the Elise Championship using a Elise 190 fitted with Semi Race suspension, Sports brake, Race exhaust, Race chip, stage 1 turbo, Stage 2 clutch and flywheel, Stage 1 and 2 weight reduction, T4 tyre, full race transmission and oil change. Power to weight ratio was 2.359. These were close races with two MS Elise's until they pitted for tyres giving me approx 15 second wins.
The full race suspension is way to hard for the mass of the Elise even at the lowest spring settings.
Set dampers to 3 or 4.
Also important to steer the car on the throttle once the initial turn in is initiated with the wheel. So light wheel inputs and stay of the curbs.
 
Well, last night I dusted off GT3 after i lost to TCU in my NCAA Football 2004 dynasty. (using USF, GO BULLS!) I started racing the Amatuer MR races with my MS Elise. It's fully modded i believe, something like 376 hp or something. Well, i was racing like CRAP! It was sliding all over the place, no grip at all. So, I remembered what phattboy said and i took off the full race suspension and but the normal back on. Now, my skills still sucked but wow did i improve. I actually won the races! I tried to step up to the PRO MR races but a fully modded MS Elise is no match for a GT40, not in my amatuer hands anyways. So i'm not sure what i'll use for that. Maybe my RUF. But i have a silver in the first race so i think I already tried with the RUF. I'll just have to get better.
 
You should be able to win that with the Ruff 3400. Just remember the 3400 has bunches of understeer you either have to try to tune out or adjust your driving for. Take enough HP with you when you go, the series is pretty competitive under 500 HP in that car.

As I recall, the GT40 kind of lies to you in that series if you qualify. It doesn't really show it's true speed until you've allowed it about 3-4 laps in qualifying. During the race, his time doesn't let up at all. I think it is pretty much that way at every race in the series. Take enough tire with you.

The series is also really a blast in an R390 Road version with minimal or no upgrades but tires. I think stock that car is just under 400 HP and a killer car to drive. Sticks like eraser on sandpaper.

Or, go win yourself a GT40 road version from Amateur All Stars and do the Pro MR with that. Under 450 HP is pretty competitive.

Glad my suggestion was of some help to you in the Amateur MR series! Remember though... you still had to drive it and win it 👍 Good Job!

phattboy
 
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