Which is Faster Supra or skyline..??

[Leonidae]

This makes me really want to face off with both of them... Can you point me in a direction where I might be able to find their Skyline/Supra challenge. I'd love to ghost the race and see where I stand.
Plus, nothing gets me more interested than running into a few WRS'ers that I don't remember from my time in the WRS.

So, could you point me in the right direction please?

Thanks.

R34 GT-R or Supra RZ, power topping out around 800-850ish bhp. DE uses R34 V-Spec II N1. DE did his runs on R3 tyres, Sonz needed R5s. tracks are Circuit De La Sarthe and Midfield.

you can see their laptimes on this page, but I remind you, race is still on. good luck with your ghost runs!

 

[Kent]

Thanks.
That really shed some light on the situation. Unfortunately, it was a bad light... R3s and odd conditions made me wonder if a real winner was picked.
Just a guess here but...
R33 > Supra > R34
(without great modification)

With really high-end mods it's the driver's game.
R3 tires and a full custom suspension could probably make an R33 one heck of a contender in the right hands.
Would you say it was the fastest if "the right hands" were to guide it to victory? I wouldn't necessarily say that. I would say fastest driver. 👍

Plus, the comparison I looked at in that was really built for the better driver. 5 lap limit on recorded efforts? What?
Just saying... ... Any street car on Racing tires, 800+hp, and custom racing everything may have a good chance to win in the right hands.👍 My kind of comparison would be on the side of Sports tires and Normal tires. Various levels of modifications. I started it a few pages back and got two times before getting deep into the 2liter Tsukuba spotty.

Any way, I've got to stop now. I'm feeling stupid about this thread, it's like Neither is faster and only the driving style matters. For some reason, despite incredible differences in drivetrain, these cars can be nearly even in a PWR race.

Eureka! The Skyline and Supra are, in GT4, equal for most extents and purposes. Once the extra HP is introduced I'm inclined to say the Skyline is capable of greater speeds (or track times).
Of course, that's relative to the R33 > Supra > R34 model. So...

Here it is, my final word (for this thread hopefully): Equal

 

[4DSC]

Who has more victories in official racing under their belt? Supra or Skyline? Im guessing Skyline was raced more, so it has way more victories?

^ Anybody?

i like Sky to mutch as well but is not a pure blood like Supra. See You.

With all do respect, I think you need to do some more research on both cars before making bold statements like that.. Just a word of advise
http://youtube.com/watch?v=l6R9z6fvyJ4 - Find anything even remotely similar to the vid you just saw about the Supra anywhere.. The guy doing the review doesn't even like Japanese cars.

Oh and btw guys, since this is a drivers race, getting highly technical on both cars wouldn't hurt right about now, if in these 18 pages or so it hasn't been done so.. 👍

 

[Leonidae]

Kent, have you tried again? I'm interested of your times with those cars.

 

[Dark Elite]

For your information DE, I do not double post, where did you see me double posting then?

You did, whether it was intentional or not, and Kent's sorted it out for you. He did Revil's as well. (Check #373)

I dont't need start any reaserch to answer that question...

My main point was that dozens of people have posted comments like that in the middle of our 'debates' Sorry to jump on you like that.

in case that you have forgotten, DE is D II driver in WRS.. and Sonz is D I, and has hard time against him.

I have yet to be 'pwned' by a DIII driver. In fact, I am technically still in WRS Division Three on account of never having entered a WRS race.

I think everyone needs to calm down, in particular Revil's post #382 was unacceptable in my opinion - Leo did say 'no offence', did he not? And him speaking his opinions about my driving, whatever they may be, makes him neither my girlfriend now my lawyer. One of the good things about these forums is that if you make yourself well known and respected, other people will come to your aid in an arguement (particularly when impatience is making some people a little tetchy,) or indeed any situation.

If you want to race me, go ahead. Let me see Sonzilla's new times first, though, prior engagements and all that. Pick a track, if you must.

DE

 

[Pink_the_Floyd]

Took the R34 GT-R at Motegi yesterday. I gotta admit, with a DFP, it's smoooooth, like...a dream...nah...but smooooth

 

[Kent]

Kent, have you tried again? I'm interested of your times with those cars.

Well you've drawn me back into the thread (and I enjoy it too).

Um, no, I haven't tried it. The reason though, it's because they didn't really do a good comparison with those cars.
I just didn't like the 5 lap limit.

It wouldn't be fair for me to run more than they did and then compare but at the same time, I'm not going to sell myself or either of those cars short by running only a few laps.

I ran both of those cars with the exact same tuning (parts) and adjusted settings so they handled well (although the Skyline needed less adjusting). After about 2 or 3 laps on the Ring for both of them I was running consistant laps with each car seperated by only a tiny bit. That test was enough for me to recognize that these cars are nearly even (reffer to my last post).

Plus, about the challenge sort of thing... I just don't feel right seeking out a challenge with them. If I'm going to race to be competitive then I should just go to the WRS.
Just being curious though, I'm going to run a few laps real quick and edit the times into this post. Keep an eye out for them.

P.S. I ran 5 or so laps on Midfield with a '99 GTR and just didn't have the time to learn the line, tune settings, and nail a lap down.

In any case, once again I point back to my other replies.
Btw, I would be better off testing at Tsukuba or the Ring (if you haven't figured that out yet) than I would be testing at Sarthe and Midfield (not particularly fond of those tracks but I enjoy them none the less).

 

[4DSC]

That test was enough for me to recognize that these cars are nearly even (reffer to my last post).

They maybe even, but which is harder to keep on the road in the ring? You have to be so graceful with the accelerator for the Supra..

 

[Dark Elite]

I just didn't like the 5 lap limit.

I only ran five laps, partly because of time constraints and partly because I wanted to see how quickly I could get used to the cars respectively (remember I was driving two) but Sonzilla didn't limit his laps. Do as many as you like, when the times start getting cut down we'll be putting in huge amounts of laps
Now I'm wondering where Sonzilla has gone..

Btw, I would be better off testing at Tsukuba or the Ring (if you haven't figured that out yet) than I would be testing at Sarthe and Midfield (not particularly fond of those tracks but I enjoy them none the less).

I think we decided that Tsukuba was too short, replacing it with Midfield, and the Nordschleife is too long and driver-oriented (you can easily win with a 300bhp handicap if you know what you're doing and the other guy doesn't) so we replaced that with the Sarthe I. Using the Sarthe had the effect of testing top speed and acceleration five times a lap as well while Midfield has a couple of hilly sections (well, more than Tsukuba anyway )

If Sonzilla doesn't turn up soon, I might have to improve my laps anyway.

DE

 

[Kent]

I only ran five laps, partly because of time constraints and partly because I wanted to see how quickly I could get used to the cars respectively (remember I was driving two) but Sonzilla didn't limit his laps. Do as many as you like, when the times start getting cut down we'll be putting in huge amounts of laps
Now I'm wondering where Sonzilla has gone..

I think we decided that Tsukuba was too short, replacing it with Midfield, and the Nordschleife is too long and driver-oriented (you can easily win with a 300bhp handicap if you know what you're doing and the other guy doesn't) so we replaced that with the Sarthe I. Using the Sarthe had the effect of testing top speed and acceleration five times a lap as well while Midfield has a couple of hilly sections (well, more than Tsukuba anyway )

If Sonzilla doesn't turn up soon, I might have to improve my laps anyway.

DE

Tsukuba: Braking, acceleration, torque, and handling.
Ring: Top speed/ horsepower, and handling.

While I agree that the Ring can create a driver's advantage, I disagree about Tsukuba being too short. Not suprisingly though, together I see them as a tag-team combo perfect for declaring the best car.
Of course, that's because I preffer the Ring to Sarthe and Tsukuba to Midfield.

The length of Tsukuba is perfect for showing the flaw of the Supra. With all that wheelspin and a Skyline to catch, there is no way the Supra will get away with raw power making up the difference.

Likewise, with the Ring's diversity of turns and straights, there is no way the Skyline's 4wd system will be enough to pull away from the Supra on traction alone... The Supra's RWD will give it just enough of an advantage to keep up with the Skyline and even pass at point like the last turn before you T11 time is posted. 👍

It's just a matter of opinion/ taste. I really like Tsukuba and the Ring, I'm not a big fan of Sarthe and Midfield. In my opinion Midfield and Sarthe are way too similar. Both provide similar track surfaces with similar road widths. Both only have a few sharp turns combo'd with hard braking. The majority of the course length on both is found on the straights. And finally, there just isn't that much of a difference between them other than the overall length.

I see Tsukuba and the Ring as a much more diverse and trying test combo than Sarthe and Midfield.

Midfield has one point that can make a difference between the two cars and that's the low point of the hill before you start onto the straight for the next lap. Other than that single spot there isn't one place to really bring out the differences between the Skyline and Supra.
As for Sarthe, there really isn't a single turn on Sarthe that says to me "this makes a difference!"

And there in lies the problem (for me)... I would want to test on tracks that make a difference and really give you the chance to see where the cars differ from one another. 👍

Tsukuba does that really well and the Ring is my "every possible type of turn" course. Plus, I know the Ring rather well.
(if you wonder how well... I managed to take the McLaren F1 in arcade mode around the Ring in 5'26.977 ... Try matching that! )

 

[Pink_the_Floyd]

What's your best time Kent?

I went under 7 seconds with a stock Supra...


Woops! That was with a 340 hp Supra, best with a stock is 7'35, something in that area...

 

[Kent]

With a dead-stock Supra?
I haven't tested that at all.
I've run a bunch of others around the Ring with no oil change and no weight reductions. However, after I got heavy into that type of racing I decided it was time to move on (no way to verify weight and often no verification at all just pushed me away from that spot race).

In my sig is a list of some of my Ring times.
Feel free to pick one, match the tuning, and try for gold. 👍
Good luck.

Btw, if I try a stock Supra I will let you know.
Would be interesting to see a stock Supra and stock Skyline on the Ring with Oil changes, Weight Reductions, and nothing else at all.
(I bet the Supra would do really well under those circumstances- especially if you added a custom suspension to the mix!)

 

[Pink_the_Floyd]

Watch the Skyline though, a '99 GT-R has without an oil-change and engine break-in already 333 HP, more then a Supra...

 

[Leonidae]

Arrrr.. you've ignited my racing instincts. I think I shall test fully modded R32 and R34 on the 'ring, just to see how they stack up against your times. and, if you're interested, I can do runs with those modifications you suggested ( oil change and weight reductions).

edit: I did a run on Nurb, in R32 GT-R N1 '91. 503bhp, R3's, racing suspension, stage 3 wight reduction, wing etc, former 6.2 mile car. time was 6'57.615.
and time for Tsukuba was 0'53.988.

 

[Kent]

Arrrr.. you've ignited my racing instincts. I think I shall test fully modded R32 and R34 on the 'ring, just to see how they stack up against your times. and, if you're interested, I can do runs with those modifications you suggested ( oil change and weight reductions).

edit: I did a run on Nurb, in R32 GT-R N1 '91. 503bhp, R3's, racing suspension, stage 3 wight reduction, wing etc, former 6.2 mile car. time was 6'57.615.
and time for Tsukuba was 0'53.988.

Well, don't get too worried about beating my time.
I've spent about 60-70 percent of my GT4 time on the Ring.
Although, if you really want to compare times...
Run a R34 at whatever spec you want and post the spec. I will then try to match up with both the Supra and the Skyline. 👍

Good luck and have fun with it 'cause I know I will.

 

[S R 2 0 D E T]

There both high 14 second cars stock in the 1/4th ( slowwwwww )

 

[Leonidae]

very well, Kent, I'll do few laps in R34 on Nurb. if you have 6.2 miler cars, I'll use one of those ,which means about 800-850 bhp at maximum tune.

edit: 6.2 mile R34 GT-R V-Spec '99, 889bhp, R3's and wing, no nos.

edit 2: I don't like R34. despite all setups I've tried, it's too understeery. probably too much power. I'll drop the power and see what happens.

edit 3: dropped the power to 799bhp. 6'40.508.. I'm faster with R32, I think.

 

[Jay]

There both high 14 second cars stock in the 1/4th ( slowwwwww )

High 14 second cars? The GTR and Supra are both easy capable of 13's in stock form in GT4.

With the R34 Skyline GTR Vspec II Nur I got a flat 13 with the stock gt mode sport tyres.

 

[Pink_the_Floyd]

Kent, watch out for the Supra at the Ring.

In my GT4 career, I've only took a 904 HP Supra to the Ring ONCE.

I won't do that ever again, just too much power

 

[Kent]

Just finished running some laps.

Here's the Supra's mark on the Ring board.

Toyota Supra: Fully Modified w/o NOS. 859HP & R3 Tires
6'15.194

I can post the replay later if you all want but in the mean time I'm taking a break and having a quick drink & smoke.

Back shortly.

 

[Leonidae]

I bow in front of better driver. Nurb isn't my favourite ( nor is R34 ), especially the later half of it is pure agony to me.

 

[Kent]

Well if you're talking to me, I ask that you stand up.
There are many better than myself and I did not run that lap to compare myself with any other driver.
Rather, I drove the Supra to honor the Supra in all of its rear-wheel-drive goodness. 👍

I just hadn't seen any laps that said to me "that's the Supra's potential" and sadly, I could still work at that lap and bring it down to 6'10!
Not suprisingly though, better drivers may take that down to 6'05 or even lower.

None the less, thanks for the vote of confidence.

 

[Leonidae]

well, if I don't recall wrong, DE could drive R34 around the 'ring in 6'02.xxx. maybe,when he returns, he could check that one. if that's right, it means that it's all about the driver and settings, not about the car. and still I say that I could do better with R32, since I'm more familiar with it's balance and I have good setup for it as well.

 

[4DSC]

Im at 7:45 with the stock R34'GTR on the ring.. Super softs btw. Cannot get that close with the Supra.. I'll try again later.

M3 is a Ring beast too, matching the Skyline with the same 7:45

Edit: S3 tires to be more precise

 

[Kent]

well, if I don't recall wrong, DE could drive R34 around the 'ring in 6'02.xxx. maybe,when he returns, he could check that one. if that's right, it means that it's all about the driver and settings, not about the car. and still I say that I could do better with R32, since I'm more familiar with it's balance and I have good setup for it as well.

All good and if I test the Skyline under specific specs I will let you know how it turns out. I wouldn't be suprised if the Skyline running fully maxed out was capable of running 8 to 10 seconds faster than the Supra maxed out (in non-6.2 condition) (I understand the Supra gets more than the 859HP I ran with?).

In any case, I may try the Skyline but who knows.
Back later, till then,
-

Btw, when I run a Skyline it will be the Nur on full tune.

 

[4DSC]

Btw, when I run a Skyline it will be the Nur on full tune.

Whats your best stock R34 run at the ring so far?

 

[Kent]

Whats your best stock R34 run at the ring so far?

I haven't done any runs like that yet.
I did just do a few runs in a fully tuned Skyline.
Running at 906hp with R3 tires, I managed to complete 3 laps. The first was 6'05, the next was 6'03, the final was 6'00.6. I am sure there is atleast 1.5 seconds in it for me if I just clean up to having all 4 wheels on track. If I push to my limits, maybe a total of 5'58 or lower is possible. (I'd have to work at it to get there but I am sure I could )

With you bringing up the Stock Skyline, might I ask... Completely stock? S2 tires and no weight reductions?
I'd really like to do completely stock with stage 3 weight reductions. 👍
After my time doing the Ring N2 race in the spot race forums I've really lost my taste for cars without weight reductions.

 

[4DSC]

With you bringing up the Stock Skyline, might I ask... Completely stock? S2 tires and no weight reductions?
I'd really like to do completely stock with stage 3 weight reductions. 👍
After my time doing the Ring N2 race in the spot race forums I've really lost my taste for cars without weight reductions.

Yeah, completely stock, but using S3's.. Don't find anything wrong with NOT doing weight reductions. I currently have a list going so far of my favorite GT cars completely stock, no tcs/asm, with S3 tires around the ring in arcade mode. So far, I have the base R34 GTR at 7:45:??, followed by the M3 with a similar 7:45:??, next came the SVT Cobra R Stang at 7:47(not bad at all for that car) and the best I could get out of the (Honda)NSX is a 7:48 surprisingly.. Next came the Supra at 7:48 as well. On the other hand, unofficially I have clocked the type R version of the NSX at 7:43, making it the fastest stock GT car I've tested in it's class so far.. Of course, I've done these times awhile ago, and Im sure theres room for minor improvements.

EDIT: DISCARD ANY LAP TIMES POSTED ABOVE

Seems during the few months I havn't been setting hot laps at the Ring, my skills have greatly improved. Forcing myself a few weeks back to get gold at the final S class lisence test, apparently has done wonders for my Ring skills. Setting a 7:42 with a stock Supra(S3's) has just threw everything I thought I knew about the Ring out the window. This maybe a bit far fetched, but the way I keep leaving my ghost at some points shows theres room for a 7:40 even. Can't wait to see what I can do with the Skyline.

 

[S R 2 0 D E T]

High 14 second cars? The GTR and Supra are both easy capable of 13's in stock form in GT4.

With the R34 Skyline GTR Vspec II Nur I got a flat 13 with the stock gt mode sport tyres.

Lol yea in the game but in real life the supra and skyline are slow stock.

 

[Jay]

Lol yea in the game but in real life the supra and skyline are slow stock.

They still do low 13's stock in real life also, often hitting high 12's. There are many best motoring comparison videos around confirming this.