Which part of a track do you always mess up / struggle with?

[Ferrari Alonso]

Turn 6 - the right hand corner before the "U" turn wich heads up to Schumacher-S then at the Nurburgring F1 track, its so bumpy there, no matter wich car, the car jumps crazy there and forces me to brake much earlier otherwise im in the gravel. I like the flow, but i dont think its that bumpy in real life.

Yep, that happens to be a tricky one. Especially if you're carrying lots of speed into the corner or if you're trying to gain/shorten the gap between you and another car.

 

[Dan]

The Carousel (or however it's spelled in German) on the Nürburgring. The first time I ever drove on that track in the VW Polo/Golf A-Spec event (which is my favorite race out of the whole singleplayer game) I nailed the Carousel perfectly. Ever since I have NEVER been able to successfully drive through that turn. And the Nürburgring is one of my favorite tracks!

 

[Snake1405]

I don't know why I always get nervous after the carousel in Nurburgring. Everything goes fine, but when I reach that part of the track I lose "power" hahahaha.

 

[Ferrari Alonso]

I don't know why I always get nervous after the carousel in Nurburgring. Everything goes fine, but when I reach that part of the track I lose "power" hahahaha.

I've noticed that I always tackle it at 55-60mph and everything goes fine. Just dont 'floor' the throttle until you're out of it, or until car is at least pointing in a straight line.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

The Carousel (or however it's spelled in German) on the Nürburgring. The first time I ever drove on that track in the VW Polo/Golf A-Spec event (which is my favorite race out of the whole singleplayer game) I nailed the Carousel perfectly. Ever since I have NEVER been able to successfully drive through that turn. And the Nürburgring is one of my favorite tracks!

I don't know why I always get nervous after the carousel in Nurburgring. Everything goes fine, but when I reach that part of the track I lose "power" hahahaha.

I've noticed that I always tackle it at 55-60mph and everything goes fine. Just dont 'floor' the throttle until you're out of it, or until car is at least pointing in a straight line.

The trick is to remember that the car's weight is still "stuck" in the carousel's momentum-causing banked section. The banked section is actually bumper in GT5, according to the guys I've talked to, than in real life, so it amplifies the loss of grip that occurs if you over-drive the car.

It's one of the few corners that truly reward a 9/10s approach, so slow down a bit more on entry and exit, because you'll find yourself better planted for both the entry and the exit. Be smooth with the pedals, it comes naturally.

 

[Snake1405]

I've noticed that I always tackle it at 55-60mph and everything goes fine. Just dont 'floor' the throttle until you're out of it, or until car is at least pointing in a straight line.

The problem is not the carousel at all, the problem is what is after that. I don't know very well the 2nd part of the track, and for example when I'm doing a time trial it's complicated for me, because is the final part of the circuit (more than 7 minutes for lap) so I think is the same thing that happens with everyone that knows that the lap will end soon.

Besides I practiced very well the first part, but not the second

 

[Snake1405]

The trick is to remember that the car's weight is still "stuck" in the carousel's momentum-causing banked section. The banked section is actually bumper in GT5, according to the guys I've talked to, than in real life, so it amplifies the loss of grip that occurs if you over-drive the car.

It's one of the few corners that truly reward a 9/10s approach, so slow down a bit more on entry and exit, because you'll find yourself better planted for both the entry and the exit. Be smooth with the pedals, it comes naturally.

In the carousel I just slow down to get a soft speed and keep the
throttle at minimum speed until the end of the carousel. Sometimes the move is very easy, but sometimes not, it depends of the car and suspension too.

 

[FastAShecK]

Indi infield is all about flow and perfect line although it may not appear to be. Awesome infield IMO, I love to drive my V8's there and Daytona Road Track.

http://www.youtube.com/v/XU3_Xbp5nGk

Its the only vid I got at Indy, it has a decent line held all the way through could be better, but 700pp with high Hp on Sports Soft Tires I think I ran a nice lap.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

The problem is not the carousel at all, the problem is what is after that. I don't know very well the 2nd part of the track, and for example when I'm doing a time trial it's complicated for me, because is the final part of the circuit (more than 7 minutes for lap) so I think is the same thing that happens with everyone that knows that the lap will end soon.

Besides I practiced very well the first part, but not the second

In that case, I like to late-apex in every corner. Get the car pointed straight earlier in the corner.

 

[Bobert power]

The kink after the S curves at Suzuka. I can rarely get the braking point right at that corner. I've been robbed of many wins because of it.

 

[Ferrari Alonso]

The trick is to remember that the car's weight is still "stuck" in the carousel's momentum-causing banked section. The banked section is actually bumper in GT5, according to the guys I've talked to, than in real life, so it amplifies the loss of grip that occurs if you over-drive the car.

It's one of the few corners that truly reward a 9/10s approach, so slow down a bit more on entry and exit, because you'll find yourself better planted for both the entry and the exit. Be smooth with the pedals, it comes naturally.

Couldn't have said it better myself.
Listen to the man!

Also, what's that saying? "Slow is smooth, smooth is fast"?

 

[Ferrari Alonso]

The kink after the S curves at Suzuka. I can rarely get the braking point right at that corner. I've been robbed of many wins because of it.

Ouch, it used to be very annoying and frustrating to me, but I got the hang of it. Try it with an F1, you'll be scared, then you'll be confident after a while, then hop back in a GT car and watch yourself end up on the gravel trap it happens

Remember, every failure is a lesson.. Learn from them! 👍

 

[MrYasser]

Track : Nürburgring Nordschleife

Corner : Wehrseifen

I always break late end up in the wall

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Track : Nürburgring Nordschleife

Corner : Wehrseifen

I always break late end up in the wall

I found this, I think this might help you. Instead of braking hard 100%, then turning hard, 100%, try to brake a bit earlier, but less powerfully. You can slow the car down more gradually by trail-braking. I've gained a second or two on other drivers on the 'Ring just by doing that alone. It allows you to position your car better on the track.


One word of warning, however; be careful before doing this in a go-kart, Ruf, or any other MR or RR cars. They're more prone to spinning.

The kink after the S curves at Suzuka. I can rarely get the braking point right at that corner. I've been robbed of many wins because of it.

Doing a quick "flick" of the steering wheel or controller, first to the left, and then to the right, will help you rotate the car. This corner barely even requires braking, when done correctly, in most cars. On sports tires, you'll need to brake a bit, and rather late, so that the weight transfers onto the front tires before turning in. Then you feint left, (1/8 turn) and quickly turn back towards the right.

This is something Ayrton Senna used to do in several corners in Monaco, and something we (karters) do quite often.

 

[Ferrari Alonso]

I found this, I think this might help you. Instead of braking hard 100%, then turning hard, 100%, try to brake a bit earlier, but less powerfully. You can slow the car down more gradually by trail-braking. I've gained a second or two on other drivers on the 'Ring just by doing that alone. It allows you to position your car better on the track.

One word of warning, however; be careful before doing this in a go-kart, Ruf, or any other MR or RR cars. They're more prone to spinning.

Doing a quick "flick" of the steering wheel or controller, first to the left, and then to the right, will help you rotate the car. This corner barely even requires braking, when done correctly, in most cars. On sports tires, you'll need to brake a bit, and rather late, so that the weight transfers onto the front tires before turning in. Then you feint left, (1/8 turn) and quickly turn back towards the right.

This is something Ayrton Senna used to do in several corners in Monaco, and something we (karters) do quite often.

You just reminded me of Senna when he'd scratch the barriers with his tyres
The greatest of all times.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

You just reminded me of Senna when he'd scratch the barriers with his tyres
The greatest of all times.

Using all of the track, and then more. 💡 That's another thing I recommend, in *almost* every corner.

 

[MrWednesday]

I found this, I think this might help you.

Interesting, I usually do a big chunk of braking for Wehrseifen in the straight, coast through the right-hander leading in (or even tap the gas), then do the rest of my braking in the miniature straight leading into the hard left. Judging by your image, that's not the best way to do it. Perhaps I should try saving my braking until later; I've preferred the way I do it because braking through the right-hand turn can upset the car.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Interesting, I usually do a big chunk of braking for Wehrseifen in the straight, coast through the right-hander leading in (or even tap the gas), then do the rest of my braking in the miniature straight leading into the hard left. Judging by your image, that's not the best way to do it. Perhaps I should try saving my braking until later; I've preferred the way I do it because braking through the right-hand turn can upset the car.

This depends on tuning setup. However, there's nothing wrong with your approach, in my opinion. The only point I'm making is that it probably feels like MrYasser is losing too much time under braking; this is something I used to feel in Forza 2 and 3, even before GT5 came out. Therefore, I remember reducing the brake pressure on my Skyline GT-R R34 in Forza 2, and slowly learning to trail brake there.

Indeed, you're correct, some cars have a natural tendency towards oversteer. If you find that your car has even a touch more oversteer than you'd like, your line is actually the preferred line of many drivers, including, as far as I'm aware, Sabine Schmitz.

However, as I normally drive FF or AWD cars with a heavier front brake bias, I find the trailbraking line to be the most efficient means of navigating the corner, given the increase in rotation offered by trailbraking in an FF/4WD car. This is something I learned in autocross, actually, with my Hyundai Accent; steering while braking puts a lot of weight (and grip) on the front tires, while making the rear end a bit more loose than you expect.


So, TL;DR it's a question of which car you're driving. Porsche/RUFs/BMWs will take a 2-phase braking line, while FF and 4WD cars will take a trail-braking approach, for the increased rotation. That same rotation that spins some FR/MR/RR cars can be very useful in the fight against understeer in some more understeer prone cars.

Edit: In fact, I've found this video...




The MINI Cooper S you see at 5:25-7:20 in the video is trailbraking.