who can really achieve a perfect drift?

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I heard from a pro race car driver that to really do a "perfect drift" you must push the speed of the car past its limit while turning. So now I'm asking if anyone of you guys out there can honestly say that their drift technique is good enough to win them races (and not just show off).
 
CudaMan can definately pull some tight E.T's


It's four wheel drifting all the way, it's how I do it, it cuts times, but I haven't been able to master it to the point where it wins races, so, it's all show off for me . . . .for now that is . . . :p
 
You don't win races by drifting.

I've done some research recently and there are VERY few racing applications for drifting that are faster than grip driving. Even then, there are way too many variable circumstances that must be taken into account before initiating the drift is even considered.
 
Originally posted by Street Fighter
You don't win races by drifting.

I've done some research recently and there are VERY few racing applications for drifting that are faster than grip driving. Even then, there are way too many variable circumstances that must be taken into account before initiating the drift is even considered.
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Very true, very well stated also.
 
Originally posted by Street Fighter
You don't win races by drifting.

I've done some research recently and there are VERY few racing applications for drifting that are faster than grip driving. Even then, there are way too many variable circumstances that must be taken into account before initiating the drift is even considered.
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That's exactly what he was saying. See the "which is faster, grip or drift" thread that was going on a while ago. There was a great discussion there about the fastest way to drift. Anyway, I think there are some on this forum who are good enough to do it, but not do it consistently.
 
or if your like me you take a 440 hp chaser on sims and use it in the begginers FR race haha . I win it everytime when i dritf since you can use your power to get ahead then you can drift no worries, but i aslo drift in the professional series for kicks sometimes ,closet i've come to wining was second place..
 
Basically... If you want to be fast you will do things to get faster, and if you want to show off and get the best lines and angles you will dothings ro do that. There is absolutely no way that drifting and producing tons of smoke is ever going to be fast, but their are ways to use it rather than braking to adjust your line in a more predictable fashion which will result in better lap times. Much of the time its your line and not your driving style on more complex corners that determines your ending lap time... I too would suggest searching for "drift faster than grip" in which around page 5-14 some great and theoretical discussion were made. Half of the people named on this thread have no intention of ever using drift while racing. The only car i can consistently win prof races in, while loosing grip at certain times, is my little 350hp speedster. I usually drive on slicks or med slicks depending on the race and the need to watch for tire wear... If you want to get fast all i can suggest is going to the arcade or settings page taking a car out on the track... and tuning it as you go along for you desired outcome trying lines with less distance and trying to find a balance between speed and distance covered. If you can continually cut down your laps you will get faster but this never means that you will drift every corner. On apricot where i used to practice i only drifted the first u past the first apex and the hair pin... as well as a bit on the elevation changes in the s turns... other than that it was pretty much straight grip... However the faster you enter the turns the more you feel the car behave differently from regular grip... I believe this is becuase you approach the limit of the cars grip and the moments acting on the car that usually would force large angles, so not do so becuase of the higher degree of traction... What resulrs is that the car turns itself on a certain radius... because a very small slip angle is being employed... Anyways i am heading out... I know the above is kinda not formulated well... but i didnt have much time to organize my thoughts...
 
I've been able to win races in Amatuer mode with my GC8, about 400 hp, though what i did was race a couple of times and look at the racing line that the other cars take, and i just take that same line ...... only sideways. My car has the speed and power to win it with grip drive but with the setup i have, the drifting is just too much to part with, hehe.
 
I thought every1 did that... I use a slightly sideways style setup when I have a lower hp car or one that doesnt turn too well so I can make it go sideways and hit the curve faster, even if I can win the race without doing it, just cuz I like to go fast :P
 
Drifting eats tires, though, and pushing and wearing on your tires like that in a racing situation is just impractical unless it's a short stage or a two lap circuit.

I dunno. I wouldn't drift in a race.
 
i noticed on proffesional grand valley with a mr2 drifting can be a lot faster. It gets tricky when the AI cars tap you sometimes though..

EDIT Street Fighter, I have the shirt that says that. (Your Avatar)
 
I plan on drift racing in GT4 against grip racers. I've been drifting for a while (some of the old timers will recognize me :)) and I am only enthusiastic about GT4 because it is possible to drift race. Grip racing has gotten boring for me. I think once GT4 comes out we should start a drift racing team for those who are good enough to beat the grip racers at their own game. On a side note, I think drift racing with tire wear is not that impractical. I usually grip race until my tires become orange to red and then I drift without ever changing my tires. To use this effectively you basically can't mess up at all in drifting b/c when you drift perfectly on reds you will still lose time to comps with fresh tires.

BTW, I did a battle with BreakerOhio a while back where we raced with the Class A RX-7 on Trial Mountain for fastest lap time. I think I still have the vid which was about 1" 40'.
 
SF... when you are on anything with slicks in its name... even medium slicks... in a 15 lap race you shouldnt have to pit once... no matter how you drive...
 
Even grip driving, I find myself pitting every 6 or 7 laps, maybe 8 if I'm conserving my tires.

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I believe that what the race car driver is referring to 4 wheel drift when he says the perfect drift... becuase infact this is the epitome of racing... and in my mind hte epitome of drifting (all may not agree with this)... I just thought it was important to point out.

SF... when do you decide it is nec to pit... simce tires never blow in this game i race even on reds...
 
Originally posted by pergatory
The perfect drift? Please enlighten us with a video!
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I didnt mean do a perfect drift, I meant push the car faster sideways than I could gripping, which is what he said.
 
Give me this weekend and I can try to put together a video in relation to the "perfect drift" and what it is, and how to achieve it.

But to hold you off look at these figures I drew up.

Each figure should explain itself, but the basics of a "perfect drift" is taking a corner where you are just on the edge of your grip circle. Now, most cars this circle cannot even be a circle at all, I'm sure NASCAR since they go fast and turn left have more of an oval on their side, where as a IHRA drag car will have a tall oval. And then an F1 car just has the biggest circle of all.

Also, your tires get the most grip when they are slightly in slip...

Like I said, give me until the weekend, as I have mid-terms in my classes, but once those are out of the way I can work on a video.
 

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Originally posted by axn_man
very good explanation and diagram Bill-182
this will really help in my search for the "perfect drift
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why don't u find ur own perfect drift, we have different styles
 

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