Who is the genius at PD.......

[Sick Cylinder]

The only solution to this right now is to set the room up with the driving line disabled, or join a room with it off.

With it on, when one player starts using the driving line it seems to come on for everyone else.


And by the way this thread would be a lot more useful if you could actually title it like "driving line on when turned off". Your drama queen like title ruins the chance of people using this thread.

Some good points Grog.

I think this issue should be raised in the features area - I will do it tomorrow if no one else has by then.

I host races without the driving line and the blue lines appear during qualification even if the driving line option has been blocked - so it appears to happen regardless of settings.

 

[TT92]

Edit: sorry miss read the topic

The only solution to this right now is to set the room up with the driving line disabled, or join a room with it off.

With it on, when one player starts using the driving line it seems to come on for everyone else.


And by the way this thread would be a lot more useful if you could actually title it like "driving line on when turned off". Your drama queen like title ruins the chance of people using this thread.

Edit: sorry miss read the topic

The only solution to this right now is to set the room up with the driving line disabled, or join a room with it off.

With it on, when one player starts using the driving line it seems to come on for everyone else.


And by the way this thread would be a lot more useful if you could actually title it like "driving line on when turned off". Your drama queen like title ruins the chance of people using this thread.

You are the **ONLY** person who has read this and has **NO IDEA** what the title is about. Re-read it from the start and you may get half a clue.

**HINT** it has nothing to do with driving line.

 

[TT92]

Some good points Grog.

I think this issue should be raised in the features area - I will do it tomorrow if no one else has by then.

I host races without the driving line and the blue lines appear during qualification even if the driving line option has been blocked - so it appears to happen regardless of settings.

Sigh :-( There are no good points in Grog's post as he has no idea about the topic. And you, my friend, also need to re-read what is here so you understand the subject as well.

I will attempt to explain again. In the online time trials, when ghost is enabled, you get blue traces of your friends best lap displayed. Now, when you have qualifying enabled in an online lobby, there are the blue lines of the other competitors displayed.

You *cannot* turn these off like you can in time trials. It is very annoying because when there are up to 15 traces displayed in front of you it obscures the track. Also, because it is in real time and not the best clean lap, if someone makes a mistake and runs off the track that line is also displayed as well.

It is a real problem that needs addressing. We have fixed it in the short term be not running qualifying.

Finally, it has nothing to do with driving line what so ever. Are we clear now?

 

[daddyo845]

This game has so many bugs like this because pd rushed the game at the door. They released the game at their three interval instead of delaying it like gt5 which didn't have nearly as many glitches and bugs

 

[jimipitbull]

Compared to most of the drama queens around here, all of PD look like geniuses

Starting this way is almost a 100% guarantee that the rest of your post, no matter how well presented, will be largely ignored.

I do apologise, I should not have let emotion get in the way of reason.

• "Beta" is not a measure of quality, it is a specific process in software development.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/beta+software?s=t I do believe my statement above does meet the criteria. Please pay attention the part where it says "more bugs than a regular release". The only difference is with GT6 we *PAID* for the privilege to test it.

• Nowhere does the Update section put a time frame on future functionality..

True but unfair to the customers that paid good money for a fully functioning game (sorry, "Real Driving Simulator")

• It is true that it is less than 4 months since the GT6 release, and worth noting that GT5 has had a long history of Updates..

Yes but we did get GT5 Prologue as forerunner to it and GT5 did work pretty well from day one.

• GT5 has had about 27 Updates to date..

Ahhhhhh....... I see now, you are one of these people that says "Don't worry about the quality just look at he quantity"

• By this stage in GT5's life, it had had only 5 of these updates..

As above, it worked pretty well right out of the box.

• "Spec 2.0" did not arrive until more than 10 months after the release of GT5..

Yep and helped the game last 3 years

• The description of "Seasonal Events" uses the future tense, and doesn't quantify the number or rate of delivery of these events..

And so this is an area for complaint from me and many others. This can also go under the heading of "Lack of communication from PD".

• The shutting down of GT5 servers has not yet happened, and will not force anyone to buy GT6. There are choices..

Yep a big choice!

Choice 1 - Don't play online.
Choice 2 - Buy GT6 so you can continue to race with your friends

• Kaz expressed a desire, not a commitment, nor even a plan for GT7 in 2014..

And you don't think there isn't considerable pressure from Sony to get GT7 out on the PS4 that is currently starved of content?

• When GT7 is released, that doesn't say that GT6 will not continue to be enhanced..

I haven't checked. Is GT5 still being enhanced? And I don't call regular seasonals enhancements.

• GT7 will require a new console..

Your point is? For the record I already have one.

• No PS3s will be destroyed by the GT7 release..

I am starting to get the impression you really like bullet Points and are struggling to find sensible statements to attach to them ;-)

Edit:-
Congratulations.

For calling me a "fanboy", you have earned one star on your accelerating path to my Ignore List.
For "apologist", you earned a second star.
For "delusional", a third.
You only need ten, and you did earn a few back when you said.

Wow! (cringing under the table) You will ignore me? (holding fist to open mouth in awe).

I note that your approach to reason (and me) is the same as your approach to GT6. Ignore the truth and deny the facts so as to not have your belief system shaken.

So tell me, do you tear pages out of newspapers you don't like and change channels on TV when you are informed about events that also shake your belief system?

So please feel free to ignore me. It will save wear and tear on my keyboard as well as a few electrons won't have to die for powering the monitor in in any further discussions ;-)

 

[86Debris86]

........ that put the blue lines on in pre-race qualifying in online lobbies?

So for those that don't realise when you chose "Qualify Alone" we now have the blue tracks for the other people in the room and their names displayed just like seasonal time trials. And there is no way (that I am aware of) of how to turn it off.

What is worse is that because the order you start off in is determined by your position in the lobby by when you joined and the start time is staggered so if you are last to join in a 16 person lobby there are 15 blue trace lines and people's names in front of you obscuring the track :-( This obviously gives an advantage to the room owner and especially if he is one of the quick ones.

Also because these tracks are no longer "the best times" it will also show crashes and people running off the track so it is **VERY** disconcerting to qualify now.

So I want to know who decided this was a good idea and did anyone here actually ask for this?

Also the minimum time for qualifying has been raised as well from 4 minutes to 5 minutes.

PD just fix your broken Beta release game and stop messing with stuff that is actually working!

This sounds horrible. Sometimes I'm glad I can't play online much. Hope this is sorted by the time I get a better internet connection at my next house.

 

[Sick Cylinder]

Sigh :-( There are no good points in Grog's post as he has no idea about the topic. And you, my friend, also need to re-read what is here so you understand the subject as well.

I will attempt to explain again. In the online time trials, when ghost is enabled, you get blue traces of your friends best lap displayed. Now, when you have qualifying enabled in an online lobby, there are the blue lines of the other competitors displayed.

You *cannot* turn these off like you can in time trials. It is very annoying because when there are up to 15 traces displayed in front of you it obscures the track. Also, because it is in real time and not the best clean lap, if someone makes a mistake and runs off the track that line is also displayed as well.

It is a real problem that needs addressing. We have fixed it in the short term be not running qualifying.

Finally, it has nothing to do with driving line what so ever. Are we clear now?

The good point that Grog made was that this really needs to be raised in the features section.

I know it has nothing to do with the driving line settings - my post makes it clear that the blue lines appear regardless of driving line settings.

It is a very annoying and pointless change that PD have made. There are so many things in this game that need fixing - it is baffling that PD damage the game in this way.

 

[GBO Possum]

Who is the genius at PD.......


Probably the ex-Turn 10 employees who were behind these Forza ideas:-

Remove the ability to tune in a lobby
Having left the lobby, and come back in after being re-invited, Forza places you in some random car (never the one you had been occupying)
Move the split times and choose a font size which makes them difficult to read
Remove "System Link" (the ability to have multiplayer over a LAN
Insist that the only way to get photos from Forza to your computer is via a Forza server
Throttled the speed of Forza servers to 0.1 megabytes per second or less
Only allowing one photo at a time on the server, unless you paid a premium, and then you could upload, wait for it, three photos before having to leave Forza and get the computer to download them. At glacial speed.
Removed the 'Ring
Removed Maple Valley
Removed Fujimi Kaido. Twice.
Removed local scoreboards
Rendered any Porsche for those who didn't pay the $30 DLC charge as VW Jettas thereby screwing up collision detection for both players
The list goes on....

My point is that all games exhibit silly design decisions

 

[Johnnypenso]

I raced online last night for the first time since the update but luckily I started qualifying in the top 2 or 3 spots each time. I can see it being really annoying in a large lobby and having to start 15th . Incredibly non-sensical game design here since it really serves no purpose and it's annoying.

 

[Doodle]

I.... I like the blue lines.

 

[grog]

You are the **ONLY** person who has read this and has **NO IDEA** what the title is about. Re-read it from the start and you may get half a clue.

**HINT** it has nothing to do with driving line.

YOU are a true drama queen, I've amended my post already what is your problem?

 

[TT92]

YOU are a true drama queen, I've amended my post already what is your problem?

My "problem" is this half assed, Beta release being randomly updated with nonsensical changes for no apparent reason.

My other problem is that the management at PD seem to have no idea (or care) what the community actually want changed.

I paid full price for a half finished game on a superseded console and I am feeling ripped off and then PD go to extraordinary lengths to just rub it in my face a little more with every change :-(

 

[Connoissuer]

There are geniuses at PD?

 

[jimipitbull]

There are geniuses at PD?

The success of the GT series suggests that they do.

I think only mariokart has had better success (racing genre), but that's purely because it features donkey kong.

 

[TT92]

The success of the GT series suggests that they do.

The current evidence suggests they are living off past success ;-)

If they are not very careful the GT series will finish with this one. Any other developer that produces even a half reasonable rendition of a racing game for the PS4 will decimate PD and any chance it has of future success.

I know dozens of previous GT series fans that did not buy GT6 because of its apparent one last ditch attempt at a grab for money.

 

[jimipitbull]

The current evidence suggests they are living off past success ;-)

If they are not very careful the GT series will finish with this one. Any other developer that produces even a half reasonable rendition of a racing game for the PS4 will decimate PD and any chance it has of future success.

I know dozens of previous GT series fans that did not buy GT6 because of its apparent one last ditch attempt at a grab for money.

Every developer that develops a series of games is living off past success. GT6 is still very early in it's life, more will be known regarding it's success in a few more months. Expect a spike in sales once GT Academy qualification begins

 

[GBO Possum]

My "problem" is this half assed, Beta release being randomly updated with nonsensical changes for no apparent reason.

My other problem is that the management at PD seem to have no idea (or care) what the community actually want changed.

I paid full price for a half finished game on a superseded console and I am feeling ripped off and then PD go to extraordinary lengths to just rub it in my face a little more with every change :-(

Just to clarify, this is not a "beta" release. If it was, you would have had to agree with their beta agreement.

Second, the game is not "half finished". If you read the scope definition on gran-turismo.com, you'll find you have received pretty much everything they said you'd receive.

Finally, when did you become aware of and disappointed in the fact that GT6 runs on a PS3, which, yes, is not as new as a PS4. Was that before or after you bought GT6?

 

[TT92]

Here we go, a PD Fanboy and apologist :-(

Just to clarify, this is not a "beta" release. If it was, you would have had to agree with their beta agreement.

What they call it and how it is marketed is irrelevant to the quality of the product.

Second, the game is not "half finished". If you read the scope definition on gran-turismo.com, you'll find you have received pretty much everything they said you'd receive.

This is just delusional. Do you actually want the list of broken promises?

http://eu.gran-turismo.com/au/products/gt6/ scroll to the bottom where it says "Update" and everyone of those things are yet to be added and we are in the 4th month from release! Also check out where it says "Online" - "Seasonal Events", only the Time Trials have sparingly been done.

Finally, when did you become aware of and disappointed in the fact that GT6 runs on a PS3, which, yes, is not as new as a PS4. Was that before or after you bought GT6?

I was aware beforehand, obviously. If I was not forced to migrate to GT6 I (and my colleagues) would have stuck with GT5 until GT7 was released. And before you question how I was forced it is because PD will shut the GT5 servers down soon which ends the online racing.

Since you have put your faith in PD, so when Kaz has openly announced he wants to see GT7 out before the end of 2014 how much bang for buck is left in GT6? Seems to me they may be cutting it a bit fine to give us the rest of the game.

 

[VBR]

@TT92 - I have added this issue to a list of other issues which all have one & the same thing in common, instances where PD force something upon us without making it optional.

The thread is here, & this issue is number 14 on the list.



👍

 

[GBO Possum]

Here we go, a PD Fanboy and apologist :-(

What they call it and how it is marketed is irrelevant to the quality of the product.

This is just delusional. Do you actually want the list of broken promises?

http://eu.gran-turismo.com/au/products/gt6/ scroll to the bottom where it says "Update" and everyone of those things are yet to be added and we are in the 4th month from release! Also check out where it says "Online" - "Seasonal Events", only the Time Trials have sparingly been done.

I was aware beforehand, obviously. If I was not forced to migrate to GT6 I (and my colleagues) would have stuck with GT5 until GT7 was released. And before you question how I was forced it is because PD will shut the GT5 servers down soon which ends the online racing.

Since you have put your faith in PD, so when Kaz has openly announced he wants to see GT7 out before the end of 2014 how much bang for buck is left in GT6? Seems to me they may be cutting it a bit fine to give us the rest of the game.

• "Beta" is not a measure of quality, it is a specific process in software development.
• Nowhere does the Update section put a time frame on future functionality.
• It is true that it is less than 4 months since the GT6 release, and worth noting that GT5 has had a long history of Updates.
• GT5 has had about 27 Updates to date.
• By this stage in GT5's life, it had had only 5 of these updates.
• "Spec 2.0" did not arrive until more than 10 months after the release of GT5.
• The description of "Seasonal Events" uses the future tense, and doesn't quantify the number or rate of delivery of these events.
• The shutting down of GT5 servers has not yet happened, and will not force anyone to buy GT6. There are choices.
• Kaz expressed a desire, not a commitment, nor even a plan for GT7 in 2014.
• When GT7 is released, that doesn't say that GT6 will not continue to be enhanced.
• GT7 will require a new console.
• No PS3s will be destroyed by the GT7 release.

Edit:-
Congratulations.

For calling me a "fanboy", you have earned one star on your accelerating path to my Ignore List.
For "apologist", you earned a second star.
For "delusional", a third.
You only need ten, and you did earn a few back when you said

You won't be disappointed then because this Beta release needs to be bashed! I am also sure that many will think so do the developers ;-)

I'm sure you would advocate to small child in the school yard to stand there with his fingers in his ears and yell "Nah! Nah! Nah!" whenever he might hear something he doesn't agree with.

Yep, that's how we have a balanced debate and open discussions by ignoring all the naysayers ? :-( It must be a nice view you have of the world through your rose tinted glasses censoring all the input that rattles your preconceived views ;-)

End Edit.

 

[JBranco]

There are geniuses at PD?

I think they all are… because they sold millions of copies of an unfinished game, along with the propaganda sold false promises…

My "problem" is this half assed, Beta release being randomly updated with nonsensical changes for no apparent reason.

My other problem is that the management at PD seem to have no idea (or care) what the community actually want changed.

I paid full price for a half finished game on a superseded console and I am feeling ripped off and then PD go to extraordinary lengths to just rub it in my face a little more with every change :-(

AMEN BROTHER

 

[Vagabond]

Here we go, a PD Fanboy and apologist :-(

Starting this way is almost a 100% guarantee that the rest of your post, no matter how well presented, will be largely ignored.

@JBranco - use the 'Edit' button please, rather than double posting.

 

[GBO Possum]

@TT92, your demonstrated ability to ignore and/or distort a bulleted list of facts earns you an additional 20 stars, and an automatic free upgrade to Lifetime Membership of the GBO Possum Ignore List. Congratulations.

 

[jimipitbull]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/beta software?s=t I do believe my statement above does meet the criteria. Please pay attention the part where it says "more bugs than a regular release". The only difference is with GT6 we *PAID* for the privilege to test it.


True but unfair to the customers that paid good money for a fully functioning game (sorry, "Real Driving Simulator")

Yes but we did get GT5 Prologue as forerunner to it and GT5 did work pretty well from day one.

Ahhhhhh....... I see now, you are one of these people that says "Don't worry about the quality just look at he quantity"


As above, it worked pretty well right out of the box.

Yep and helped the game last 3 years

And so this is an area for complaint from me and many others. This can also go under the heading of "Lack of communication from PD".

Yep a big choice!

Choice 1 - Don't play online.
Choice 2 - Buy GT6 so you can continue to race with your friends

And you don't think there isn't considerable pressure from Sony to get GT7 out on the PS4 that is currently starved of content?

I haven't checked. Is GT5 still being enhanced? And I don't call regular seasonals enhancements.

Your point is? For the record I already have one.

I am starting to get the impression you really like bullet Points and are struggling to find sensible statements to attach to them ;-)




Wow! (cringing under the table) You will ignore me? (holding fist to open mouth in awe).

I note that your approach to reason (and me) is the same as your approach to GT6. Ignore the truth and deny the facts so as to not have your belief system shaken.

So tell me, do you tear pages out of newspapers you don't like and change channels on TV when you are informed about events that also shake your belief system?

So please feel free to ignore me. It will save wear and tear on my keyboard as well as a few electrons won't have to die for powering the monitor in in any further discussions ;-)

Here we go, a GT pessimist spreading propaganda...

 

[mikeymc92]

I would not have used the term "fanboy". Sheep would have been a better term

 

[eran0004]

Just to clear up the confusion here, @TT92

A Beta is a pre-release version of a software.
Beta versions usually have bugs, but having bugs is not what makes them beta. What makes them beta is the property of being pre-release versions meant for testing. A beta version without bugs is still a beta.

Release version software may also have bugs, in which case they're usually called buggy software. Beta is not used as a term for release versions that happens to have bugs, because release versions are not pre-release versions.

 

[GBO Possum]

@eran0004 ^^^ quite so on the meaning of "beta". Beta software is, by definition, under test, may also be released under the constraints of a Non Disclosure Agreement (NDA) and is distinguished from "alpha" software in that "alpha test" is a totally internal process.

It seems I should draw out a (to some) less obvious inference from the bullet list of raw data I posted above.

The reason why it's important to know that GT7 will be released on a new console (PS4) is that GT6 will continue to be fully supported for long after the release of GT7 because of the huge installed base of PS3s, and the ongoing revenue opportunity. To compare the transition from GT5 to GT6 with the future coexistence of GT6 and GT7 is to ignore the business realities.

Another business reality is the one that Forza is going through. Forza 4 has been out for over three years now, and the release of FM5 doesn't mean the imminent death of FM4. There are too many Forza fans out there to ignore. Unlike the GT6 reality, the FM4 reality is that it is in maintenance mode only, with no future roadmap.
__________________________________

The Forza fan is in a bad place compared to us Gran Turismo-ers.

One choice is to continue the stale experience of FM4, with no prospect of any exciting new expansion of the experience. However, a loyal fan base who may continue to play online with each other for a long time.

Another choice is FM5, with very limited content in tracks and lack of weather, time, dirt, snow etc, plus a huge barrier to entry in the form of a $500 console, and $100 to $500 (?) for a wheel (if desired), plus a prospect of potential DLC gouging. For the multi-screen fan like myself, there is no support. And if there were, there's another $1,000 in two more Xbox Ones. (What does one do with THREE Kinect 2s?) Total triple screen investment for me would be about $2,000 give or take.

I took another option, and that is to go with GT5 and GT6, a medium priced wheel plus two used PS3s to equip my ex-Forza triple screen setup. I get a superior triple screen function, superior photomode, an improved lobby experience, a richness of tracks, weather, time, terrain and the prospect of additional tracks and function to be rolled out over time. The immediate excitement is there, it's affordable and the future is looking bright. Total investment about $750 for me.

Yes, who is the genius at PD who has provided an attractive path for us Forza fans? I say, thank you, whoever you are!

 

[Exorcet]

The Forza fan is in a bad place compared to us Gran Turismo-ers.

I disagree. I still play Forza 4, it's still fun to do so. There is no need for a future road map, the game is anything but stale. It would take GT5 a complete rebuild to compete. I don't have GT6, but it seems like a similar story.

I can see where people come from when they cite the on going evolution of GT. New stuff is nice. However, what gets added into GT still leaves it far behind in some areas.

 

[GBO Possum]

I disagree. I still play Forza 4, it's still fun to do so. There is no need for a future road map, the game is anything but stale. It would take GT5 a complete rebuild to compete. I don't have GT6, but it seems like a similar story.

I can see where people come from when they cite the on going evolution of GT. New stuff is nice. However, what gets added into GT still leaves it far behind in some areas.

Yep, as I said, "a loyal fan base who may continue to play online with each other for a long time."

For me, FM4 moved from being a little stale to very stale with the prospect of a Gran Turismo alternative (or two). However, your mileage may vary!

 

[TT92]

Just to clear up the confusion here, @TT92

A Beta is a pre-release version of a software.
Beta versions usually have bugs, but having bugs is not what makes them beta. What makes them beta is the property of being pre-release versions meant for testing. A beta version without bugs is still a beta.

Release version software may also have bugs, in which case they're usually called buggy software. Beta is not used as a term for release versions that happens to have bugs, because release versions are not pre-release versions.

You are 100% correct.

The point I (and may others) am trying to make is that this release of GT6 is *overly* buggy and incomplete and for all intent and purpose may as well be a Beta release only fit for testing purposes. I (and many others) feel like we have paid for the privilege to be Beta testers.

So here is a conundrum for you. "What do you call a Beta version that is just packaged and sold anyway?" It would appear that the only differentiation is the "For Sale" sticker. Is this really how you want to judge the acceptability of software? Would you buy a car and take delivery of it when the salesman says "Oh just come back in a few months and we will change the space saver tyres and rims for new ones and somewhere down the track we will develop and fit the turbo for you". "Oh, and BTW it won't turn left sometimes but will have a look at that on a service in the future."

As has already been pointed out the game still does not have the features in it that is promised on PD's website so it is still incomplete and as such not a final version. Not to mention the bugs are more like a Locust swarm ;-)

We can play semantics all day but the fact remains the game is broken and PD's lack of communication is a major concern.

Here we go, a GT pessimist spreading propaganda...

I do hope you are enjoying playing your broken game and are quite happy to accept dysfunctional software.