why are 4WD cars so heavy?

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It seems like most of the 4WD cars in GT3 are heavy compared to all the other cars. Is there an advantage to having a heavier car with 4WD then having a lighter car with RWD or FWD?

BTW, has anybody ever heard of the Subaru XT-6? I think thats a car they should add in subsequent GT games. Its lightweight and should drift quite nicely IMO, yet it's an AWD vehicle. I think i'm just partial to it cuz it was my first real car. Maybe its just not popular enuf to put in a game...


(Whoo hoo, i'll get my driving force pro in 2 more days! so excited :) But i think the coolest thing about getting the wheel isnt the wheel itself... i'm actually looking forward to being able to apply varying degrees of pressure to the gas/brake using the pedals... something that a controler just isnt capable of doing)
 
Well the one reason they are so heavy is like the evo's and wrx's are 4 door sedans. Aslo some of the earlier evo's are 1250kg I think the evo3-4 are that weight but from then on they got heavier.The skylines are so heavy because of how big they are and so on for other cars.
 
Ryen49
Well the one reason they are so heavy is like the evo's and wrx's are 4 door sedans. Aslo some of the earlier evo's are 1250kg I think the evo3-4 are that weight but from then on they got heavier.The skylines are so heavy because of how big they are and so on for other cars.
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Ryen, the older WRX, mainly around 1992-2000, they had the choice between 4 door, 2 door, or even a wagon. Thats basically for the GC8 model WRX. For example, the 22B STi were 2 door, and of course they were lighter and faster than their 4 door counterpart.

As far as the Evo goes, the first Evo ever came out, the Evo I was the lightest of all the Evos. Below is a chart that will show you the weight of all the evo..

Evo I =1 240 kilograms = 2 733.73205 pounds
Evo II=1 250 kilograms = 2 755.77828 pounds
Evo III=1 260 kilograms = 2 777.8245 pounds
Evo IV=1 350 kilograms = 2 976.24054 pounds
Evo V=1 360 kilograms = 2 998.28677 pounds
Evo VI=1 360 kilograms = 2 998.28677 pounds
Evo VII = 1 400 kilograms = 3 086.47167 pounds
EVo VIII (JDM) =1 410 kilograms = 3 108.5179 pounds
Evo VIII (USDM)=1 480 kilograms = 3 262.84148 pounds

I am excluding the RS model avaliable for the current Evos. The RS was avaliable on the VI,VII, and VIII. I also didnt include any special edition evo, like the Evo Extreme or etc...

These current Evo RS would weigh around 2900 lbs. Same with the Impreza, were the Spec C was avaliable. The Spec C is just like the RS excluding one is for Evolutions and one is for Imprezas.


As for the skyline, the R32 GT-R was the lightest of the bunch. Weighing in around 1500kg (~3307 lbs). The R33 GT-R was the second lightest, weighting around 1540kg (~3395 lbs). The most advance GT-R out now, the R34 GT-R, was the heavy weight. It weight 1560kg (~3439 lbs). Although the GT-R's are heavy, they have the power to back it up. They also have the most advance 4WD system out at this moment, which was way ahead of its time. The GT-R technology is just amazing.

"The ATTESA E-TS computer-controlled all-wheel-drive system. Unlike many contemporary 4WD systems, it did not introduce the undesired understeer or corruption of steering feel. Instead, the GT-R cornered with RWD car's throttle adjustability and neutrality to inspire its driver. On the other hand, whenever necessary, the Skyline produced 4WD car's level of maximum grip in corners. How could it manage that? Skyline employed a computer-controlled multi-plate clutch to vary the torque split between front and rear wheels. In normal condition, the GT-R was basically rear-wheel-drive. Only when it need extra grip to corner, the multi-plate clutch would transfer torque towards the front wheels. The amount of torque to the front wheels was calculated by computer. The software setting was the outcome of extensive testing in Nurburgring circuit of Germany, no wonder the 4WD system worked so good with the car.

Another high-tech feature was the Super-HICAS 4-wheel-steering system. Again, it was controlled by computer and was benefited by the Nurburgring testing. Rear-wheel steer helped sharpening its steering response and kept powerslide in under control. No wonder the GT-R cornered like a much smaller and lighter sports car. "


That is one long post.. sorry :)
 
ForcedInduction
what is the point of this thread?
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why are 4WD cars so heavy?

Cant you read, ForcedInduction? Cant you read, MR.? ;)



Im just playing, he just wonder why 4WD cars are heavy... no real point to this thread.
 
rollazn
Ryen, the older WRX, mainly around 1992-2000, they had the choice between 4 door, 2 door, or even a wagon. Thats basically for the GC8 model WRX. For example, the 22B STi were 2 door, and of course they were lighter and faster than their 4 door counterpart.

As far as the Evo goes, the first Evo ever came out, the Evo I was the lightest of all the Evos. Below is a chart that will show you the weight of all the evo..

Evo I =1 240 kilograms = 2 733.73205 pounds
Evo II=1 250 kilograms = 2 755.77828 pounds
Evo III=1 260 kilograms = 2 777.8245 pounds
Evo IV=1 350 kilograms = 2 976.24054 pounds
Evo V=1 360 kilograms = 2 998.28677 pounds
Evo VI=1 360 kilograms = 2 998.28677 pounds
Evo VII = 1 400 kilograms = 3 086.47167 pounds
EVo VIII (JDM) =1 410 kilograms = 3 108.5179 pounds
Evo VIII (USDM)=1 480 kilograms = 3 262.84148 pounds

I am excluding the RS model avaliable for the current Evos. The RS was avaliable on the VI,VII, and VIII. I also didnt include any special edition evo, like the Evo Extreme or etc...

These current Evo RS would weigh around 2900 lbs. Same with the Impreza, were the Spec C was avaliable. The Spec C is just like the RS excluding one is for Evolutions and one is for Imprezas.


As for the skyline, the R32 GT-R was the lightest of the bunch. Weighing in around 1500kg (~3307 lbs). The R33 GT-R was the second lightest, weighting around 1540kg (~3395 lbs). The most advance GT-R out now, the R34 GT-R, was the heavy weight. It weight 1560kg (~3439 lbs). Although the GT-R's are heavy, they have the power to back it up. They also have the most advance 4WD system out at this moment, which was way ahead of its time. The GT-R technology is just amazing.

"The ATTESA E-TS computer-controlled all-wheel-drive system. Unlike many contemporary 4WD systems, it did not introduce the undesired understeer or corruption of steering feel. Instead, the GT-R cornered with RWD car's throttle adjustability and neutrality to inspire its driver. On the other hand, whenever necessary, the Skyline produced 4WD car's level of maximum grip in corners. How could it manage that? Skyline employed a computer-controlled multi-plate clutch to vary the torque split between front and rear wheels. In normal condition, the GT-R was basically rear-wheel-drive. Only when it need extra grip to corner, the multi-plate clutch would transfer torque towards the front wheels. The amount of torque to the front wheels was calculated by computer. The software setting was the outcome of extensive testing in Nurburgring circuit of Germany, no wonder the 4WD system worked so good with the car.

Another high-tech feature was the Super-HICAS 4-wheel-steering system. Again, it was controlled by computer and was benefited by the Nurburgring testing. Rear-wheel steer helped sharpening its steering response and kept powerslide in under control. No wonder the GT-R cornered like a much smaller and lighter sports car. "


That is one long post.. sorry :)
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need more info about awd :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
 
The obvious reason would be the added drivetrain components. Hence, "There's more shiet down there" is my scientific thesis for this conundrum.

The reason it's good is you get mo grip! Yeeeeeeeah
 
because of all the technology that goes into the car. and some of em like subaru go for a little bit of luxory and include things to make the car more comfortable. 4wd drivetrains weigh a lot more on average when compared to rwd
 
Between the transfer case, two extra differentials, extra driveshafts, etc. you've got at least the equivalent of an entire second transmission down there. It adds up. An Audi S4 weighs damn near 4000lbs - at a least a George Foreman more than a regular FWD A4.
 
rollazn
Ryen, the older WRX, mainly around 1992-2000, they had the choice between 4 door, 2 door, or even a wagon. Thats basically for the GC8 model WRX. For example, the 22B STi were 2 door, and of course they were lighter and faster than their 4 door counterpart.

As far as the Evo goes, the first Evo ever came out, the Evo I was the lightest of all the Evos. Below is a chart that will show you the weight of all the evo..

Evo I =1 240 kilograms = 2 733.73205 pounds
Evo II=1 250 kilograms = 2 755.77828 pounds
Evo III=1 260 kilograms = 2 777.8245 pounds
Evo IV=1 350 kilograms = 2 976.24054 pounds
Evo V=1 360 kilograms = 2 998.28677 pounds
Evo VI=1 360 kilograms = 2 998.28677 pounds
Evo VII = 1 400 kilograms = 3 086.47167 pounds
EVo VIII (JDM) =1 410 kilograms = 3 108.5179 pounds
Evo VIII (USDM)=1 480 kilograms = 3 262.84148 pounds

I am excluding the RS model avaliable for the current Evos. The RS was avaliable on the VI,VII, and VIII. I also didnt include any special edition evo, like the Evo Extreme or etc...

These current Evo RS would weigh around 2900 lbs. Same with the Impreza, were the Spec C was avaliable. The Spec C is just like the RS excluding one is for Evolutions and one is for Imprezas.


As for the skyline, the R32 GT-R was the lightest of the bunch. Weighing in around 1500kg (~3307 lbs). The R33 GT-R was the second lightest, weighting around 1540kg (~3395 lbs). The most advance GT-R out now, the R34 GT-R, was the heavy weight. It weight 1560kg (~3439 lbs). Although the GT-R's are heavy, they have the power to back it up. They also have the most advance 4WD system out at this moment, which was way ahead of its time. The GT-R technology is just amazing.

"The ATTESA E-TS computer-controlled all-wheel-drive system. Unlike many contemporary 4WD systems, it did not introduce the undesired understeer or corruption of steering feel. Instead, the GT-R cornered with RWD car's throttle adjustability and neutrality to inspire its driver. On the other hand, whenever necessary, the Skyline produced 4WD car's level of maximum grip in corners. How could it manage that? Skyline employed a computer-controlled multi-plate clutch to vary the torque split between front and rear wheels. In normal condition, the GT-R was basically rear-wheel-drive. Only when it need extra grip to corner, the multi-plate clutch would transfer torque towards the front wheels. The amount of torque to the front wheels was calculated by computer. The software setting was the outcome of extensive testing in Nurburgring circuit of Germany, no wonder the 4WD system worked so good with the car.

Another high-tech feature was the Super-HICAS 4-wheel-steering system. Again, it was controlled by computer and was benefited by the Nurburgring testing. Rear-wheel steer helped sharpening its steering response and kept powerslide in under control. No wonder the GT-R cornered like a much smaller and lighter sports car. "


That is one long post.. sorry :)
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Funny thing is rollazn, you make such a long, detailed and informative post fo people to understand why GTR's are beasts, but you leave out the answer to the question :lol:. That wasnt answered intill post 10.


To answer MdnIte, Yes he thinks all drifters are stupid!...hahahah lol fools
 
VIPERGTSR01
Funny thing is rollazn, you make such a long, detailed and informative post fo people to understand why GTR's are beasts, but you leave out the answer to the question :lol:. That wasnt answered intill post 10.



To answer MdnIte, Yes he thinks all drifters are stupid!...hahahah lol fools
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:rolleyes: Shut up! ;) I was mainly replying to ryen49.

I was a drifter, and still is, but I dont go to the drifting forum all that much. Actually im in the drifting forum now! :dunce:
 
I was joking. Im sure some drifters are literate. Lighten up.

And everyone knows that grip drivers have small penises. ;)
 
wellyrn
I was joking. Im sure some drifters are literate. Lighten up.

And everyone knows that grip drivers have small penises. ;)
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well grip driving made me understand the importance of drifting
 
Okay, I'm scratching my head...

Audi is always boasting that Quattro is the most advanced, not Nissan's ATTESA. Maybe they're just boasting, but I heard Quattro-equipped Audis used to dominate WRC before my time. They're also ultra-competetive in SWC. (SPEED World Challenge)

nk4e, true, sometimes drifting is the best way, maybe not to conserve tire wear, but the fastest way around the track. I call that type of drifting, 'competition drifting'. I do it quite often. Besides, when you're throwing around a big heavy F-body you can't expect your tires to last forever :rolleyes: :lol:
 
Victor Vance
Okay, I'm scratching my head...

Audi is always boasting that Quattro is the most advanced, not Nissan's ATTESA. Maybe they're just boasting, but I heard Quattro-equipped Audis used to dominate WRC before my time. They're also ultra-competetive in SWC. (SPEED World Challenge)

nk4e, true, sometimes drifting is the best way, maybe not to conserve tire wear, but the fastest way around the track. I call that type of drifting, 'competition drifting'. I do it quite often. Besides, when you're throwing around a big heavy F-body you can't expect your tires to last forever :rolleyes: :lol:
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trust me, i tried drifting in a advanced race, the tears wear out really fast, and they kept on slipping
 
Victor Vance
Okay, I'm scratching my head...

Audi is always boasting that Quattro is the most advanced, not Nissan's ATTESA. Maybe they're just boasting, but I heard Quattro-equipped Audis used to dominate WRC before my time. They're also ultra-competetive in SWC. (SPEED World Challenge)
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Audi's Quattro system is very advance. Its one of the best AWD system out there but in my opinion its no ATTESA. The ATTESA system is basically a rear-wheel-drive, only when needed would the torque transfer toward the front wheels. What other system do you know out there that can do that. Its controlled by the computers, so AWD is avaliable only when needed. The amount of torque to the front wheels was calculated by computer.

Just as you noted, the Quattro dominated the wets/dry on Speed World Challenge. They are very fast on the wet and even on the dry they are extremely fast. They impress me! The ATTESA AWD system isnt on most car, the only cars it was avaliable for was the Nissan Skyline GT-R's and the Infiniti G35(x).

People also said that Subaru AWD system is a great one. I dont have alot of info on Subaru but it does very well on the rallys!
 
nightkids4ever
trust me, i tried drifting in a advanced race, the tears wear out really fast, and they kept on slipping
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Well, hell, it's not like I'm making puffs of smoke come from the tires. Hell, they're hardly even squealing. I guess it's a case of whether its a drift or 'just driving loosey'... Hell it might just be the stock suspension making it feel like I drift...

Can someone, have like a list, from best to worst, all the AWD systems out there?
 

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