heydu, famine, you guys are great! i read how to make race cars rally a while back, but just spent a week without my internet, out of boredom i tried to rally my zz2 hybrid, but couldn't remember (or figure out on my own, duh) the particulars...i should have tried comparing txt files of a rally car and a road version, but thats hindsight...by the way, is grip a function of your suspension settings? i was trying a hybrid with 90/90 grip numbers, it handled ok but was vibrating the screen, i changed tcm and some other settings in the ps2, then it seemed like the grip changed drastically and it handled a little bit better...