Why can't the AI stop crashing into you?

[tecknical]

It always happens when the first corner is a hairpin. It's like they brake REALLY late and they just plow into me. It's extremely annoying. It's the worst on the Nurburgring GP track and on the Miami layout where the first corner is a hairpin.

Do they do this all the time or do I just not know how to race

 

[RomKnight]

Some invitationals like the one with the viper.... and Nordschleife...

 

[GTP_Monkey]

It always happens when the first corner is a hairpin. It's like they brake REALLY late and they just plow into me. It's extremely annoying. It's the worst on the Nurburgring GP track and on the Miami layout where the first corner is a hairpin.

Do they do this all the time or do I just not know how to race

Yes they do. I stopped playing the game for this reason, Its more like a donkey derby stockcar race.

 

[RomKnight]

Stop playing is a bit extreme... Its annoying yes, but be fair and clean to them and they'll usually behave accordingly.

 

[Vaxxtx]

The AI in S2 is better than any other racing game out there right now. Most people that do complain are the ones at fault, and ones that are not racing clean.

The AI actually do race clean, until you start hitting them. The AI will do their very best to avoid hitting you, but wont just give up when trying to get around you. If you play it like you are playing online with people, you will not have many issues. Look at this for example...the AI brakes and goes off track to aviod slamming into me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLgSXT9NWF8
This one, on the Miami track, I hit him, and he backs off a bit. BUT on my screen I was thinking he rammed me. Eatch the replay, and realize it was me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTlc3i1YYas

Watch replays of when you crash. I used to complain about it as well until I saw myself cutting them off, not yeilding, and taking a corner too slow.

With that said, the AI on that Miami track is much harder than any other track. They seem very aggresive, and over eager. And takes corners much better than other tracks for some reason.

 

[RomKnight]

Its to compensate the lack of challenge when a car is a bit overhauled compared to AI

 

[crsn891]

You gotta respect their space man! Its not like Gran Turismo 5 where you can use their car as a boost in a corner haha

 

[grahamw56]

When I was completing the second section of Nordschleife Endurance yesterday in Career mode, I'd forgotten to set up the Apollo's gearing for the long straight, and it meant that every time I got to it there was at least one AI breathing down my neck, eating up the gap I'd worked at getting for the past few miles and trying to get by, so I had to be weaving all over the road at 190mph to keep him behind before the last bends.

Talk about getting stressed out. lol!

I changed to the Veyron for the last race, just to get some distance on them.

Actually it was terrific racing too, but relieved to have got my winner's badge, especially after finishing off with the night race, which is pretty challenging with the AI.
I think it just adds to the excitement of the game though, and if you treat the AI with respect and place your car properly, they are pretty fair and predictable.

What can be a bit of a shock is when you're hurtling down the straight on the long Riviera track for example, and suddenly there's a car wreck in the middle of the track.

 

[FLX1981]

Indeed, but that can happen in real life too. Just adds a sparkle of extra tension...

BTW: Those Nordschleife endurance races sound like a hell of a thrill. I m 50 tries deep into completing the daytime enduro there with the Z4 GT3 (cars with more PI on Nords = auto freeze for me)... Get crashed out or spun out everytime. Before you ask: I respect other drivers space.

 

[DGiant2000]

Indeed, but that can happen in real life too. Just adds a sparkle of extra tension...

BTW: Those Nordschleife endurance races sound like a hell of a thrill. I m 50 tries deep into completing the daytime enduro there with the Z4 GT3 (cars with more PI on Nords = auto freeze for me)... Get crashed out or spun out everytime. Before you ask: I respect other drivers space.

I'm pretty sure some of the instances I've come across would definitely have had out a yellow or even red flag and the car cleared, not left for the remainder of the race in the middle of the track. During one of the GT1 events at Tokyo, I had to remember where 5 cars were wrecked on lap 1 so I could avoid them all for the rest of the race, very frustrating.

The other thing I would say in relation to the OP is that I am fed up with the AI deliberately taking me out, even if it ruins their own race. Many of the incidents I have witnessed are clear black flag cases and probably a suspension of the racing license, if you're not ahead by the first turn, its very hard to overtake without getting deliberately wrecked by someone.

For me, the AI is the gamebreaker - not the freezing or other bugs which I rarely encounter - as they are way to over the top and aggressive. These days I stick to no other cars time trials having virtually finished the game as I stomach the endless nonsense and restarts. It makes me wonder how some of the proffessionals named in the game would feel about seeing their name put to some of the idiocy I have seen from the AI on here.

 

[grahamw56]

Indeed, but that can happen in real life too. Just adds a sparkle of extra tension...

BTW: Those Nordschleife endurance races sound like a hell of a thrill. I m 50 tries deep into completing the daytime enduro there with the Z4 GT3 (cars with more PI on Nords = auto freeze for me)... Get crashed out or spun out everytime. Before you ask: I respect other drivers space.

I'm on Xbox 360 with with MS wireless wheel, and haven't had any freezes since the game was patched (weeks ago), in fact no problems...touchwood.

I'm probably going to have to content myself with 83% career completion though, as I'm totally hopeless at drifting. lol!

 

[Spagetti69]

I'm on Xbox 360 with with MS wireless wheel, and haven't had any freezes since the game was patched (weeks ago), in fact no problems...touchwood.

I'm probably going to have to content myself with 83% career completion though, as I'm totally hopeless at drifting. lol!

Theres no freezing on Xbox as far as I have heard.

That's a PS exclusive.

 

[grahamw56]

Yes, actually there was back in the early days (Apr/May), mostly when waiting to start an online race , plus one or two other small bugs...now fixed it seems.

 

[Vaxxtx]

I'm pretty sure some of the instances I've come across would definitely have had out a yellow or even red flag and the car cleared, not left for the remainder of the race in the middle of the track. During one of the GT1 events at Tokyo, I had to remember where 5 cars were wrecked on lap 1 so I could avoid them all for the rest of the race, very frustrating.

The other thing I would say in relation to the OP is that I am fed up with the AI deliberately taking me out, even if it ruins their own race. Many of the incidents I have witnessed are clear black flag cases and probably a suspension of the racing license, if you're not ahead by the first turn, its very hard to overtake without getting deliberately wrecked by someone.

For me, the AI is the gamebreaker - not the freezing or other bugs which I rarely encounter - as they are way to over the top and aggressive. These days I stick to no other cars time trials having virtually finished the game as I stomach the endless nonsense and restarts. It makes me wonder how some of the proffessionals named in the game would feel about seeing their name put to some of the idiocy I have seen from the AI on here.

Just curious...what are you comparing the AI in S2 with? Of all the things people can complain in S2 AI just doesnt seem like something S2 is weak in...at all.

It always seems people that cant handle the AI in S2 are expecting slow AI on rails. When AI show initiative or actually try to overtake, its considered "bad". Do you try an get into first place before the first corner of a race? Have you ever NOT slowed down to aviod the AI? Do you expect the AI to move to help you pass? I am guessing yes to all of those.

The AI is one of the great points points of S2. Offline can actually be a challenge. Especially like I aid eariler, treat it as an online race and drive clean.

 

[grahamw56]

I agree that the challenging AI adds a great deal to the game, and in fact to polishing your driving skills.

MUCH worse behaviour from the online drivers, like sour grapes laying in wait to deliberately bump you off.

 

[DGiant2000]

Just curious...what are you comparing the AI in S2 with? Of all the things people can complain in S2 AI just doesnt seem like something S2 is weak in...at all.

It always seems people that cant handle the AI in S2 are expecting slow AI on rails. When AI show initiative or actually try to overtake, its considered "bad". Do you try an get into first place before the first corner of a race? Have you ever NOT slowed down to aviod the AI? Do you expect the AI to move to help you pass? I am guessing yes to all of those.

The AI is one of the great points points of S2. Offline can actually be a challenge. Especially like I aid eariler, treat it as an online race and drive clean.

No, I expect the AI to race fairly and respect my line. If you read my post you will see that I am complaining about the AI going out of their way to hit me and ruin both cars race. Do I try to win a race in the first corner? Not normally no but in this game if I don't it becomes a demolition derby. Do I slow to avoid hitting the AI? Yes, always, usually for some other AI car to hit me off. I said the same about Shift 1 and Shift 2 is exactly the same. The AI are way to aggressive. I want them to interact and not be on rails but not deliberately race dirtily to take me out. FYI I have been playing racing games on PS and PC for around 15 years now so I have plenty to compare it too, please do not presume to know what I am expecting to try and take the high ground, and believe me, if people online behaved in my lobby like the AI do, they would be kicked pronto.

 

[Vaxxtx]

No, I expect the AI to race fairly and respect my line. If you read my post you will see that I am complaining about the AI going out of their way to hit me and ruin both cars race. Do I try to win a race in the first corner? Not normally no but in this game if I don't it becomes a demolition derby. Do I slow to avoid hitting the AI? Yes, always, usually for some other AI car to hit me off. I said the same about Shift 1 and Shift 2 is exactly the same. The AI are way to aggressive. I want them to interact and not be on rails but not deliberately race dirtily to take me out. FYI I have been playing racing games on PS and PC for around 15 years now so I have plenty to compare it too, please do not presume to know what I am expecting to try and take the high ground, and believe me, if people online behaved in my lobby like the AI do, they would be kicked pronto.

I have just not had an issue with AI going out of their way to hit me. When I do get hit, and watch a replay, it's usually my fault for the contact. At the time it seemed like it was crazy AI. Just saying. Would you happen to have any clips of the dirty AI?

I am new to racing games, so my list is small of what I have played. I have played more flight sims on the PC than racing. Of what I have played, I have not seen any AI as "smart" as S2. (I have only played, GT 1-5, Forza 1 and 3, Race Pro, Ferrari Challenge, Dirt 1-3, and of course S2.)

What games have better AI in your opinion?

 

[RX-7_FD3S]

AI is really good actually on the PC version at least wiht the latest update. I have no problem with them. They avoid me, except when I decide to play demolition derby, then they get far more agressive, just saying~

 

[DGiant2000]

Shift 2 has gone away from the frustrating 'slow AI on rails' to the opposite extreme of the 'smash my way past and drive you into the wall'. I think part of the problem is the ridiculous rubber banding whereby they go through some corners ridiculously slowly but when chasing you can go through corners at unthinkable speed. The Karrussell at Nurburgring is a prime example of where they fly through at ridiculous speeds.

Not only that but they seem to be magnetic (along with the barriers), touch them and you'll be stuck for ages. For me they make the game unplayable, nothing to do with being 'unable to handle them' as I am more than competent at driving games. Like I say, if I recieved the same treatment from online players as I have from some of the AI, I would leave or kick them immediately. If they've never hit you, then you are either very lucky or I have a faulty copy.

 

[Vaxxtx]

AI is really good actually on the PC version at least wiht the latest update. I have no problem with them. They avoid me, except when I decide to play demolition derby, then they get far more agressive, just saying~

I tend to agree here. No issues with dirty AI.

Shift 2 has gone away from the frustrating 'slow AI on rails' to the opposite extreme of the 'smash my way past and drive you into the wall'. I think part of the problem is the ridiculous rubber banding whereby they go through some corners ridiculously slowly but when chasing you can go through corners at unthinkable speed. The Karrussell at Nurburgring is a prime example of where they fly through at ridiculous speeds.

Not only that but they seem to be magnetic (along with the barriers), touch them and you'll be stuck for ages. For me they make the game unplayable, nothing to do with being 'unable to handle them' as I am more than competent at driving games. Like I say, if I recieved the same treatment from online players as I have from some of the AI, I would leave or kick them immediately. If they've never hit you, then you are either very lucky or I have a faulty copy.

There is no rubber banding in S2. In fact, when you pass the AI they tend to give up and go even slower. This is something I know many will attest to.

I having a hard time understanding your frustration. You dont like the AI, which is one thing S2 has done great on (imo of course). Then you talk about rubberbanding, and the AI getting faster to catch up to you, which is pretty much the opposite of how they act.

If it wasnt so far fetched I would say you do have a faulty copy .

Ah well. So, I asked one time, Ill ask again if you dont mind, what game do you think has better AI?

 

[grahamw56]

They've certainly hit me, but I've learned to cope with them and the challenge they can sometimes represent, especially on Nurburgring night race for instance.

Generally speaking if you really try to treat it as a totally non-contact sport and out-brake them wherever possible, then you'll usually end up with a pretty exciting race where yes, you'll probably have to spend some time working your way up the field.

And of course in real-world motor racing most races are 10 laps or more, so plenty of time to catch up.

 

[DGiant2000]

I tend to agree here. No issues with dirty AI.



There is no rubber banding in S2. In fact, when you pass the AI they tend to give up and go even slower. This is something I know many will attest to.

I having a hard time understanding your frustration. You dont like the AI, which is one thing S2 has done great on (imo of course). Then you talk about rubberbanding, and the AI getting faster to catch up to you, which is pretty much the opposite of how they act.

If it wasnt so far fetched I would say you do have a faulty copy .

Ah well. So, I asked one time, Ill ask again if you donits levelt mind, what game do you think has better AI?

Ones where I'm not hit off the track by ridiculous moves which would earn a black flag in real life. No rubberbanding? It is well known that Shift adjusts its AI to correspond to your ability which is the same thing. Ive been way ahead in the A invitaional to have them come flying past in the Karrussell. I'd like to know where you got your info on lack of rubberbanding from.

 

[Vaxxtx]

Ones where I'm not hit off the track by ridiculous moves which would earn a black flag in real life. No rubberbanding? It is well known that Shift adjusts its AI to correspond to your ability which is the same thing. Ive been way ahead in the A invitaional to have them come flying past in the Karrussell. I'd like to know where you got your info on lack of rubberbanding from.

I can only comment on what I and others have seen, and talked about. AI scale in PI level, and depending on Easy, Med., Hard settings, speed.

Hard AI are a challenge to catch up to, but once they you overtake them, they give up, and drive much slower. Happens on every race. I can be chasing the P1 driver for 2 laps, once past, they drop back a huge margin, and dont make the same laps times than when they were up front. Rubberbanding, to me, is when the AI will speed up once you are past them to give the player a challenge. (i.e. Nascar 2011 the game). They dont do this in S2. Unless you actually slow down.

I would like to know where you get your info of rubberbanding from.

I am not sure why you dont want to tell me some games that have better AI either. 15 years of race gaming would make you a pretty good source for this info, yes? I would like to enjoy them. Why not point me in the right direction?

 

[sandboxgod]

Yeah I agree with the OP. The AI along with the magnetic collision makes it very painful to play sometimes. So what I normally do is just hot-lap offline with no AI so I can avoid the bizarre magical glue physics. Yeah many times at the beginning of the race I would get speared. If it wasn't for the strange collision detection I am sure it wouldn't be so bad. But because you get glued to the AI and go offtrack it can be super frustrating. I am just thankful I play this game on my PC. So I used a mod to unlock all the content allowing me to bypass playing with the AI

On some tracks like established earlier in the thread you might be ok though. Oh btw, I admit I might not be super clean or highly skilled. However this is the only racing game I play regular with strange magnetism like this by a long shot. I think my issue is more with the collision than the AI though.

 

[FuzzyFassbender]

I can only comment on what I and others have seen, and talked about. AI scale in PI level, and depending on Easy, Med., Hard settings, speed.

Hard AI are a challenge to catch up to, but once they you overtake them, they give up, and drive much slower. Happens on every race. I can be chasing the P1 driver for 2 laps, once past, they drop back a huge margin, and dont make the same laps times than when they were up front. Rubberbanding, to me, is when the AI will speed up once you are past them to give the player a challenge. (i.e. Nascar 2011 the game). They dont do this in S2. Unless you actually slow down.

I would like to know where you get your info of rubberbanding from.

I am not sure why you dont want to tell me some games that have better AI either. 15 years of race gaming would make you a pretty good source for this info, yes? I would like to enjoy them. Why not point me in the right direction?

I can't say the AI in the popular PC racing sims ram much but they are either two easy or run away and hide. In some twenty years of gaming (racing only interest) I think the AI in S2U is very good. Learning how to survive and compete in the S2U career can be frustrating, challenging, and FUN. It' s not perfect but I will accept the challenge.

 

[DGiant2000]

I can only comment on what I and others have seen, and talked about. AI scale in PI level, and depending on Easy, Med., Hard settings, speed.

Hard AI are a challenge to catch up to, but once they you overtake them, they give up, and drive much slower. Happens on every race. I can be chasing the P1 driver for 2 laps, once past, they drop back a huge margin, and dont make the same laps times than when they were up front. Rubberbanding, to me, is when the AI will speed up once you are past them to give the player a challenge. (i.e. Nascar 2011 the game). They dont do this in S2. Unless you actually slow down.

I would like to know where you get your info of rubberbanding from.

I am not sure why you dont want to tell me some games that have better AI either. 15 years of race gaming would make you a pretty good source for this info, yes? I would like to enjoy them. Why not point me in the right direction?

No need to be facetious in an attempt to sound clever. 15 years of racing games has taught me the AI are what they are, programmed to follow a line. I can deal with it, it's not perfect but I never said it is. What I did state is that I can't stand the AI in shift with there over aggressiveness. You seem convinced the AI are great though, I was agreeing with the OP and it seems I'm not alone. For me (yes read carefully, for me) it is a game breaker as they are just ridiculous. You clearly are an expert though so I'll leave you to tell other people how they should feel about a game and go back to playing GT5 online with good clean racers who understand the laws of racing. If you feel the Shift AI are fair, please dont join me.

 

[Vaxxtx]

No need to be facetious in an attempt to sound clever. 15 years of racing games has taught me the AI are what they are, programmed to follow a line. I can deal with it, it's not perfect but I never said it is. What I did state is that I can't stand the AI in shift with there over aggressiveness. You seem convinced the AI are great though, I was agreeing with the OP and it seems I'm not alone. For me (yes read carefully, for me) it is a game breaker as they are just ridiculous. You clearly are an expert though so I'll leave you to tell other people how they should feel about a game and go back to playing GT5 online with good clean racers who understand the laws of racing. If you feel the Shift AI are fair, please dont join me.

Since you obviously cant stand someone disagreeing with you, and would rather throw an tantrum than try to explain your position, or show any proof of your claims, thats fine.

Still cant point me to gave with superior AI. Ok. Still cant post a video of the crazy AI drivers going out of their way to crash into you. Ok. Still cant backup the claim of rubberbanding AI. Ok.

Take your toys, and go home.

 

[FuzzyFassbender]

No need to be facetious in an attempt to sound clever. 15 years of racing games has taught me the AI are what they are, programmed to follow a line. I can deal with it, it's not perfect but I never said it is. What I did state is that I can't stand the AI in shift with there over aggressiveness. You seem convinced the AI are great though, I was agreeing with the OP and it seems I'm not alone. For me (yes read carefully, for me) it is a game breaker as they are just ridiculous. You clearly are an expert though so I'll leave you to tell other people how they should feel about a game and go back to playing GT5 online with good clean racers who understand the laws of racing. If you feel the Shift AI are fair, please dont join me.

Only giving my opinion.

 

[sandboxgod]

Well on youtube they seem to have a few vids of AI being naughty. Here's what I normally experience:



So my strategy has always been to hurry up and take 1st place ASAP in the campaign then I dont have to worry bout being wrecked. However, on certain maps (like those city maps with harpins), my strategy falls apart sometimes cause I cant immediately grab 1st place. So I usually wreck and wreck til I finally get a good launch (so I restart the match til I get a favorable lead going)

Funny thing is I have my AI set to Easy. However! I love to turn off assists.I have found out at nogripracing the AI still becomes more 'hard' anyways. So since I am driving on Elite the AI are trying their best to compete with me. I wish this game would be like other titles whereas you can drive with no assists and still enjoy easy AI. But in this game turning off all the assists will turn these guys into yer worst enemy

Anyway, I got through most of the campaign that I was interested in and then use a mod to unlock the rest (PC DLC 3). I still love this game very dearly. Graphics are super tight on my PC at full 1080p

 

[mr_serious]

I think the AI are fantastic in S2U, some of the best I have played against. The reality of racing is that sometimes your competitors do make mistakes or get the red mist.

Ask a real racing driver if his race has ever been ruined by another driver taking him out and I doubt you'll find one who hasn't experienced that at some time.

That's one of the things I love about this game. I just don't know how any race I start will turn out. I find it just as enjoyable to come last or midfield as I do to win as long as the battle on the way was fun & interesting.

I find the AI challenging to race against and the game forces me to try to extract every ounce of grip & take the best lines, if I don't, I get owned.

Maybe it's because I am too old to have been indoctrinated by this idea that the point of playing a computer game is to run through some crappy career progression until I 'win' the game and then put it away as 'finished'

I've had the game since release day but have only completed 12% of career mode because I usually race in quick mode. I pick a car, tune it for a track & then do several 10 lap races. It is fantastic. I did however buy the legends pack & the all cars pack.

I can't even play a certain other PS3 racing title anymore as it is just so unbelievably boring and easy to win & the AI are simply cloned pixel getting in the way.

To enjoy this game you need an attitude adjustment. Winning should be special, not expected every time you race.