Why do the best drivers not drop down gears?

[syntex123]

FFS

I was tired when I first popped into this thread, ok? I had just gotten out of bed

 

[GT_Alex74]

On H-pattern cars, it's mostly because the gear change is too time consuming. You got to have enough RPM range to go through at corner exit. Otherwise it's either to avoid rear wheel lock or to manage acceleration better and throttle out fully earlier.

 

[Lord Protector]

Because they use 1 gear higher then recommended for that turn.. that way your car is more stable into the corner because of the higher gear and lower rpm.

That and also cars in GTS tend to turn better at lower rpms.

 

[Sander 001]

4th gear through the hairpin?? If that was real life, the engine might even stall

 

[Sagaben]

 

[Ssj4]

I’m usually 2-3 seconds off the pace of the aliens on any given hot lap but I’ve noticed one really odd thing.

Say for example I put down a qualifying time of 1:55.XXX and want to shav a few more seconds I’ll watch a top ten replay and see how they do it better. I’ll notice they’re never in the same gear as me coming out of a turn, even if I match that speed and pull away in third, they’ll be in fourth.

Why is this, because watching my own ghost at the same speed as me if I don’t drop down into my










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there is no mystery, it is glitcher uses soft tire instead of hard tire, even if the display shows RH. it is necessary to see their slow motion is flagrant. I even trapped gas of the top 10 usual, in my lobby and for example on suzuka it did not fall below 1'37 which mystery whereas it should be in 1'35 to see 1'36 minimum, makes the test and you'll see, do not forget to put the same sport mode parameter examples gr3, bop ON, parameter OFF, and just you but soft tire instead of hard.





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there is no mystery, it is glitcher uses soft tire instead of hard tire, even if the display shows RH. it is necessary to see their slow motion is flagrant. I even trapped gas of the top 10 usual, in my lobby and for example on suzuka it did not fall below 1'37 which mystery whereas it should be in 1'36 for 1'35 minimum, makes the test and you'll see, do not forget to put the same sport mode parameter examples gr3, bop ON, parameter OFF, and just you but soft tire instead of hard.






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I’m usually 2-3 seconds off the pace of the aliens on any given hot lap but I’ve noticed one really odd thing.

Say for example I put down a qualifying time of 1:55.XXX and want to shav a few more seconds I’ll watch a top ten replay and see how they do it better. I’ll notice they’re never in the same gear as me coming out of a turn, even if I match that speed and pull away in third, they’ll be in fourth.

Why is this, because watching my own ghost at the same speed as me if I don’t drop down into my ghosts gear it will pull away.

I’m usually 2-3 seconds off the pace of the aliens on any given hot lap but I’ve noticed one really odd thing.

Say for example I put down a qualifying time of 1:55.XXX and want to shav a few more seconds I’ll watch a top ten replay and see how they do it better. I’ll notice they’re never in the same gear as me coming out of a turn, even if I match that speed and pull away in third, they’ll be in fourth.

Why is this, because watching my own ghost at the same speed as me if I don’t drop down into my ghosts gear it will pull away.

 

[Invisigoth]

I've noticed with some of the corners on the Brands Hatch race for the F1500T campaign race, if you follow the suggested gear, you loose out. If you ease off the throttle and take them one gear higher you gain distance on the AI.

The other thing I noticed is the video clips for campaign mode also have the demos in a higher than recommended gear.

 

[JacksHerer]

I'm glad I came back and read this thread again, I wonder how many people have been trying out 4th on the hairpin and thinking wtf lol

 

[JeffR]

This is the problem with watching replays vs experiencing against a ghost.

I've found there are times when I will initially be overtaken by my ghost on corner exit, but by the time I've reached the next gear a hundred or so yards down the road I am up. Even against your own ghost, you need to have it visibly in front of you to see any gain/loss from braking for the corner to the braking for the next corner. How people think they can see that from replays amazes me.

That is why i suggested in an another post being able to download a demo from a STAR (top ten) to use it as a GHOST would be great for getting better.

 

[JacksHerer]

I like the way Driveclub VR does leader ghosts... you only see the ghosts of cars within a couple of seconds of your own time, so you can only make small progressive improvements from copying other peoples lines. You don't see those lines until you are within a second or so of them.

Being able to jump on a track you've never driven and download the fastest ghost just creates an environment for chaos.. Finding your own fastest lap and then using a ghost to get quicker is nice, but I like the way Driveclub VR does it.

 

[banckzy]

A gear change is "time".
Coming off a corner at 7000rpm in a car that needs shifted at 7500-8500 is nearly pointless... the time it takes to shift, more than eats up the advantage of the lost rpm "jump" you get from the lower gear.
Sidetrack...
And, often times grabbing that lower gear as a crutch for braking, will do the same, with the rev's so high at mid corner any slight lift of throttle will drag corner speed down... whereas the higher gear, a slight lift will not be near as effective in slowing the car. That is also why you will sometimes see slight brake taps going through corners, the brake is much more delicate way to balance the car without scrubbing a tonne of speed... at high rpms even the slightest lift has a large impact on vehicle speed... but low rpms, slightly on the throttle, and a tappy tap here and there will keep corner speed up while also balancing the car.
In the real world, that last downshift on corner entry (supplementing braking) would snap spin the car quicker than you can say ... too late.

Also, they often do not use traction control (and if they do, they rarely trigger it), rather, they have pretty much mastered throttle control, and, at high revs risk spinning the tires (lost acceleration), again loosing time... where in the higher gear they are better able to roll the power down taking advantage of the actual traction available (not triggering TC or spinning the tires) and go to the rug without having a shift interrupt the entire process.

Wow

only just read this and feel like I've just learned a lot here.

 

[phil_75]

That and also cars in GTS tend to turn better at lower rpms.

I always drop to the lowest gear possible as i always feel as if the car turns in better/quicker the lower the gear, thought it was just the way they implement speed sensitivity on DS4 as you would steer less/slower in 6th than 1st?

Maybe its only wheel users that can take these corners in higher gears?

 

[Lord Protector]

I always drop to the lowest gear possible as i always feel as if the car turns in better/quicker the lower the gear, thought it was just the way they implement speed sensitivity on DS4 as you would steer less/slower in 6th than 1st?

Maybe its only wheel users that can take these corners in higher gears?

I am a wheel user

 

[KingFrog]

Watch me keep up ( selects automatic)

 

[gapper59]

Usually with the best drivers goes the best equipment.
High end pedals are doing miracles.....

As @cleanLX is saying, changing gears is time.

I would say, maintaining speed is even more time!
Who can do it finest is quicker.

I can do it few times on few places with DS4, but whole lap, whole race or position fight... No.


My legs are still doing pedal movements, oh, how I miss the wheel...

Is there high end petals For The G29?

 

[Mikyll]

The key to GTS is corner exit speed. The top ten achieve their times by getting the fastest exit speed. How many times have you blown past your ghost or competitor through the corner, and then they gracefully glide right back by you going down the straights? It's because exit speed is everything. Exit speed is achieved by running the line that carries the most momentum PAST the apex. Running the line that carries the most momentum is what allows you to run a higher gear. Just because a Top 10 guy runs a tight corner in third gear does not mean that you can run that corner in third gear. There's a method to him being able to run that gear and be faster. It also depends on the torque/power curve of the engine you are running. Some motors like to scream, and some prefer to lug. Those engines that like to lug may sound sweet when they are wound up, but they are likely just making noise and are far beyond making horsepower (Even if the tach hasn't peaked). Learning how to achieve exit speed is often worth seconds or tenths on the clock. Learning the RPM range that your engine likes to make HP is often the hundredths or tenth you are missing that's separating you from the next level.

 

[Litchi]

As a matter of principle, I take all corners at least one gear higher than the one suggested.

^ Yes, if there is one thing I am consistent with, it is being in a higher gear than the game predicts.

I remember that there was an option in the previous GT where we could hide the suggested gear while racing. A pity that this option isn't available anymore.
And same for the driver's names above cars during online races, it was possible to remove them, not in GT Sport

 

[AlexDB9]

The key to GTS is corner exit speed.

You could replace "GTS" with "racing".

I remember that there was an option in the previous GT where we could hide the suggested gear while racing. A pity that this option isn't available anymore.
And same for the driver's names above cars during online races, it was possible to remove them, not in GT Sport

Yeah, I wish you could not have any suggestion at all, except of course for redline. As for the hovering driver names, that is breaking immersion so bad. I hope they add the option to hide them.

 

[Sean Renon]

I shift a lot less in the N series cars.
For example, the Suzuka Nations race the other night in the Nissan N300, a lot of people around me were shifting into 2nd in the final chicane, or out of the double right hander leading to the hairpin - I would remain in 3rd.
They would exit the corner faster than me, but overall I would get to the next corner faster than they do as I don't have to shift and shifting in the N class cars takes sooooo long.

 

[Nando deBem]

The more slippery conditions are, more momentum you’ll have to carry through corner. Like karts or rally car. But with soft tires, it might be better to use late apex, turn in and have a longer straight to accelerate (depends a bit on the length of the straight). We usually use hard tires in sport mode, so something in between is needed. My opinion...

 

[Mikyll]

I shift a lot less in the N series cars.
For example, the Suzuka Nations race the other night in the Nissan N300, a lot of people around me were shifting into 2nd in the final chicane, or out of the double right hander leading to the hairpin - I would remain in 3rd.
They would exit the corner faster than me, but overall I would get to the next corner faster than they do as I don't have to shift and shifting in the N class cars takes sooooo long.

Yes, the less power you have, the more critical this whole topic is. I love driving the Daily A, for that reason. It’s easier to hit your marks, but it’s so much more unforgiving if you miss.