Why Do We Love 'Em?

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A man's brains is wired to like to watch objects, e.g. cars and a woman's brain is wired to like to watch people.
 
Well...it's a really...important question. To me, it's quite deep and the answer is REEEEALLY lengthy and maybe even cheesy, but long story made short: Whether attempting to work on the, or driving them, or seeing pictures/discussing them over the internet...cars just give me a pleasure and a thrill, an enjoyment of life, that only philosophy and sex can give me. And that's a tall order. To me, a life with cars is the only way life is worth living.
 
For me it was two things. First of all my dad was a big time gear head he had a '57 Chevy. 2nd it was a out growth of my love of Aviation Growing up near the flight path of Kirtland AFB in the '80s I was able to see pretty much every aircraft in the US inventory. Once I learned I couldn't be a pilot due to vision at the age of 9 I really got into cars.
 
Well when I was young, me, my brothers and mom and dad went to quite a few low level Rallycross events so I would say that's when my passion for all things automotive began. That and my dad had a very sweet Black BMW 6 series and a small scale Jag XJ220 finished in British Racing Green. :p
If there was one moment I'll never forget, it'll being seeing a Ferrari F40 on the way back from the beach. :drool:
 
For me it probably started with my father introducing me to NASCAR at a very young age. Plus, my first "real" video game was Need for Speed High Stakes on my parents' then-fairly-decent computer, and my second was NFS Porsche Unleashed on the same platform. And I was surrounded by Hot Wheels and Matchbox cars, with perhaps the largest (or second-largest) collection in my area. Whenever I wasn't on that computer (which I quickly became addicted to), I was playing with those cars, and the great amount of track I got hold of. But I think it was those games (NFSPU was far from the last one) that got me hooked on fast, stylish cars and, more than that, racing and winning.

I never outgrew those things, and years later, I'm still obsessed with them. I like the sound, I like the sense of speed, I like the feeling of control (which is the reason I prefer a smaller, lower car to an SUV). I like the adrenalin rush that comes from even a small sampling of such, sometimes even from just thinking about it. It gets the point where I become aggressive and competitive if I see any of a long list of other cars. Other J-bodies, I4 imports, hybrids, and actually fast cars will all get the red mist up sometimes just by being nearby in a parking lot or on the same road (going the same direction, obviously, though a car sitting at an intersection might be a trigger no matter which way it's going).
 
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Because I need something unnatural and mechanical to keep me from going into some kind of anime induced mental breakdown.
 
Because I need something unnatural and mechanical to keep me from going into some kind of anime induced mental breakdown.
Are you the weeaboo anime fan who shouts "DESU DESU BE MY WAIFU!" Or do you enjoy the likes of Spike Spiegel and such?
 
I'm the weeaboo anime fan who enjoys the like of Shinji Ikari, Homura Akemi, and many more.

I have yet to see Cowboy Bebop and I only ever use the words "desu" and "waifu" ironically.

Where do I fall in your question?

In reality, I think I love cars because I was given a huge toy car thing when I was a little kid, or something.
 
Well I mean the annoying weebs, vs the respectable Anime fans- the sort who don't make the obscure reference to Baka-Maka-Saka or whatever and getting annoyed when I have no idea what it is

I do highly recommend Cowboy Bebop though.

Anyhoo- I asked a girl (took balls of steel this) why she doesn't like cars and she replied "Well, they're just a tool."

Got me thinking- just like horses before them, I think men take a serious interest in pushing what others see as utility into a sport, stuff like F1 originated from people's ordinary cars. We also enjoy using powerful tools... Like biiiiiig hammers so it makes sense (to me at least)
 
A car is just a tool*, just as a computer is just a tool**, or a guitar is just a tool***. Hell, pretty much everything which isn't art is a tool. Breasts are a tool****. If they weren't we wouldn't have them, because we wouldn't have evolved in such a manner. And the Chevrolet Cruze is actually explained by a combination of GM's direct wish to specifically annoy White & Nerdy, combined with GM's desire to sell an affordable car to a mass market. Sorry.

*For driving.

**For all manner of different things.

***For playing music.

****For feeding babies.
 
That is the mentality that is ruining cars. Chevy Cruze explained right there.
The vast majority of cars have always been just tools. You simply dismiss the newer ones irrespective of their benefits, like a slightly barmy old uncle who still maintains his 10-inch CRT television has better colour than modern plasma TV. Without ever having watched one.
 
It's a primeval thing. It is imbedded in the male DNA to travel, to go a find food, to not stay in one place. Women on the other hand stayed in the caves with the children.

We still want to travel and leave our house. It is also a male ego thing. If cars were boring and very slow, we wouldn't car less and only look at women.

Would you still want a Ferrari is it as slow as a 2cv and sounds like a vacuum cleaner?
My thoughts exactly!
 
A car is just a tool*, just as a computer is just a tool**, or a guitar is just a tool***. Hell, pretty much everything which isn't art is a tool. Breasts are a tool****. If they weren't we wouldn't have them, because we wouldn't have evolved in such a manner. And the Chevrolet Cruze is actually explained by a combination of GM's direct wish to specifically annoy White & Nerdy, combined with GM's desire to sell an affordable car to a mass market. Sorry.

*For driving.

**For all manner of different things.

***For playing music.

****For feeding babies.
Pretty much sums up the first bit of the video I posted earlier. I highly suggest watching it. It gives me a chill down my spine every time.
 
The vast majority of cars have always been just tools. You simply dismiss the newer ones irrespective of their benefits, like a slightly barmy old uncle who still maintains his 10-inch CRT television has better colour than modern plasma TV. Without ever having watched one.
My CRT still provides quicker input response times for videogames than any HDTV I've tried. :p

The other side of it is that not everyone gives a 🤬 whether a car is anything more than a tool. Just like not everyone uses their TV to play games. As long as people who don't care about driving continue to drive cars, there will be cars built for people who don't care about driving. And as long as manufacturers continue to build cars for people who do care about driving, there's no reason to get one's panties in a twist.
 
Well the problem with that is, any car that's reasonably affordable is probably geared toward people who don't care about driving. Hence my Cruze example - the reason I rag on it so much is that, to me, it represents so much of what's wrong with new cars. It has a tiny metrosexual engine, goofy styling, and 500 pounds of surplus heft. There is nothing about that car that would entice anyone who cared about cars to drive it, except maybe to rag on it some more.

And therein lies the problem - no car has to be boring. But a large number of cheap cars are like the Cruze or worse. You want RWD? At least 25 grand, unless you're willing to suffer the incredible embarrassment of being seen anywhere within 5 miles of a Miata. Six cylinders? At least that if you want a muscle car, or 30 thou if you're more an import person. Eight cylinders? At least 30 grand, and people look down on you because you didn't pay attention to interior quality, specific output, technical sophistication, and so forth. Not that muscle cars haven't become overweight and feature-bloated anyway.
 
Oh come on. These are getting so predictable and regular I could start timing my watch to them.

Well the problem with that is

...that it isn't a problem.

any car that's reasonably affordable is probably geared toward people who don't care about driving.

Yes, because it makes far more sense for companies to produce reasonably priced A-to-B vehicles that actually sell in decent numbers, than a handful for the enthusiasts.

It has a tiny metrosexual engine

The engine puts a large emphasis on personal hygiene and knows how to dress?

goofy styling

You definitely have a lot of experience driving something with goofy styling...

There is nothing about that car that would entice anyone who cared about cars to drive it, except maybe to rag on it some more.

Exactly; because it's never been designed to be enthusiast car. And that's not a bad thing, because not every car needs (or even should) be.

And therein lies the problem - no car has to be boring.

But some should be - building a subcompact means appealing to the customer, or you'll see sales disappear.

You want RWD? At least 25 grand, unless you're willing to suffer the incredible embarrassment of being seen anywhere within 5 miles of a Miata.

I always get a laugh out of these sorts of comments from you, especially as I'm positive you've probably not even sat in one, nevermind driven it. You drive a 20 year old POS J-Body that, by your own admittance, is barely road-worthy, and other than it being stuffed with a larger engine than the competition (to precisely appeal to those who think size is more important than any other aspect of engine design), had absolutely no stand-out features when new, and was never able to compete with the competition then. But no, you slag off a car that single-handedly reignited an entire class of vehicle, and has dominated that section of the enthusiast market since. Nevermind your continued harping on about excess weight, something that Mazda engineers are so single-minded about that they weigh individual bits of the interior to try to shave grams.
 
Oh come on. These are getting so predictable and regular I could start timing my watch to them.

...that it isn't a problem.

Yes, because it makes far more sense for companies to produce reasonably priced A-to-B vehicles that actually sell in decent numbers, than a handful for the enthusiasts.

Except it leaves nowhere for the gearhead to go, except pre-trashed cars courtesy of Craigslist and eBay.

The engine puts a large emphasis on personal hygiene and knows how to dress?

No, the engine is small and weak.

You definitely have a lot of experience driving something with goofy styling...

Not particularly. In any case I'm talking shades of Aztek goofy. Look at the way the grill and headlights are arranged, you'll see I've got it right.

Exactly; because it's never been designed to be enthusiast car. And that's not a bad thing, because not every car needs (or even should) be.

But some should be - building a subcompact means appealing to the customer, or you'll see sales disappear.

Fun and practical are not mutually exclusive. Well, they weren't until people decided their car needed every gadget ever. Until the general public is convinced otherwise, there will never be another fun mainstream car again, because, like the Cruze, they'll have tiny engines and way too much stuff weighing them down. And since they'll still be vaguely capable of reaching highway speeds, not even car people will see a problem, since after all there are still some enthusiast choices (no one seems to care that they're all several thousand dollars too expensive to be considered entry level).

I always get a laugh out of these sorts of comments from you, especially as I'm positive you've probably not even sat in one, nevermind driven it.

And I don't plan on it either, for reasons I've already described many times. I don't care how it handles or how much effort they put into keeping it light, it's a hairdresser's car.

You drive a 20 year old POS J-Body that, by your own admittance, is barely road-worthy, and other than it being stuffed with a larger engine than the competition (to precisely appeal to those who think size is more important than any other aspect of engine design), had absolutely no stand-out features when new, and was never able to compete with the competition then.

You've got it the wrong way around. That engine is the only stand-out feature it needs. As long as it fulfills basic transportation needs, "standout features" are just another way of saying "

But no, you slag off a car that single-handedly reignited an entire class of vehicle, and has dominated that section of the enthusiast market since. Nevermind your continued harping on about excess weight, something that Mazda engineers are so single-minded about that they weigh individual bits of the interior to try to shave grams.

The Miata is one car, from one manufacturer, and no matter how good it is, it's still a hairdresser's car. For most cars it's "50lbs here, 100lbs there, no big deal. We'll just shrink the engine some more to make up for the fuel economy hit." Even when it works, it's still wrong. My car was never designed as a lightweight car, and at the time it wasn't, but compared to what's on sale now...

And that's what I've been saying over and over again. If you're of low socioeconomic status, but you still want to go fast, your choice in a new car is between the Miata and a selection of equally cutesy, or even worse, cars, all with FWD to the best of my knowledge. Right now, there are 3rd gen and 4th gen F-bodies, Fox Mustangs, the usual fare available used, but what happens later on down the road when those cars have all become collector's items and the used markets are composed largely of what's filling the showrooms today?
 
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That engine is the only stand-out feature it needs.


You call that engine a stand-out feature?


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That engine is so ridiculously horrendous I'm sure someone got fired over that one.
 
As a matter of fact I do. If you look at the statistics you'll see it really does have a massive torque advantage over the fours - which means less downshifting, better passenger- and load-carrying ability, real practical stuff like that, which should be a major advantage in such a practical segment. On the enthusiast end, it just plain pulls - those Hondas rev fast, but this car doesn't need to rev at all because the power is right there.
 
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It's a :censored:box V6! There's soooo many better options out there for V6's! By that logic, every V6 in the world must be an engineering miracle! Screw anything bigger!

140hp and 185 lb-ft of torque is 🤬 pathetic! I know snowmobiles that make more with 2 cylinder 4 strokes! Even my V6 van makes more and the engine is only .2L larger.


As far as the power being right there, that's why I like V8's. That I can understand.
 
It sounds good. It's got to have that grumble, that "I'll bite back" kind of sound not only while driving, but while at idle as well. The sound that makes the ground shake. The sound that comes from a big american made engine.
It's got to have chrome. It ain't no real car without a little exterior chrome. It may be heavy, but it sure looks good.
Body style has to be aggressive. A little low, but not a lot.
Absolutely NO plastic body panels or ugly spoilers. The original ones or none.
Just the right rims. Classic Muscle cars should have the stock rims or Torque Thrusts or some other mag style rim used in the 60s and 70s.
 
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Fun and practical are not mutually exclusive. Well, they weren't until people decided their car needed every gadget ever. Until the general public is convinced otherwise, there will never be another fun mainstream car again, because, like the Cruze, they'll have tiny engines and way too much stuff weighing them down. And since they'll still be vaguely capable of reaching highway speeds, not even car people will see a problem, since after all there are still some enthusiast choices (no one seems to care that they're all several thousand dollars too expensive to be considered entry level).

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No, the engine is small and weak.

Just like your argument.


Oooohhhhh.





And I don't plan on it either, for reasons I've already described many times. I don't care how it handles or how much effort they put into keeping it light, it's a hairdresser's car.

>One of the greatest cars of all time.
>"Hairdressers car"

Help, we're drowning in never ending wash of moronic ignorance.

You've got it the wrong way around. That engine is the only stand-out feature it needs. As long as it fulfills basic transportation needs, "standout features" are just another way of saying "

The only feature in that car is having a large engine, one that embarrasses itself for being completely and utterly useless.
 
I'd say the manual transmission that comes as standard over automatic is more of a feature than that pile of junk motor. I don't even know how they could sell it with everything that's wrong with it. A good reason why I don't like GM.



That's coming with hands-on experience with them.


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Yes because this soooooo screams POWER...



If I'm going to have a 6 cylinder in my vehicle (anything other than what I have, mind you), it's going to be a 300 I6.

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