Why everyone prohibits NOS

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dawko-san
I am asking this because it really wonders me. NOS is a part of street tuned cars and I don't really see the problem the obviously everyone has. I personally haven't seen a single clean racing room with NOS allowed.

If it is allowed, everyone has the right to install it and use it.

There is a lot of very consistent races with very little differences in cars so the race looks a bit boring when you're looking at it. It would make races better in my opinion.

I remember back in GT5 time many many people complained that PD cut out NOS from GT4 and now when we have it, you're not gonna use it people? That's stupid IMO.

Does anyone share my opinion here?
 
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PJTierney
Many people prefer to do circuit racing rather than "street racing", and NOS is not commonly used in real-life racing series.

If you'd like to race with NOS enabled your best bet is to create a lobby yourself.
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I'm not talking about GT3 series or anything like that. You can't even mount NOS to a GT3 car. I'm talking about some clean Nürburgring races with street cars like S2000 Impreza Evo... Stuff like this.
 
Not every street car can have NOS I believe, and ones that do can have different strength levels of it, meaning that it can be more of an advantage for some cars than others. It also isn't the cheapest upgrade to have at Cr. 100,000. I am sure that those who run these lobbies (I rarely do) will have a better answer than me.
 
CraigHyphenO
Not every street car can have NOS I believe, and ones that do can have different strength levels of it, meaning that it can be more of an advantage for some cars than others. It also isn't the cheapest upgrade to have at Cr. 100,000. I am sure that those who run these lobbies (I rarely do) will have a better answer than me.
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Yes, there is the NOS power management but the stronger you set it, the faster it drains so it's fair. It's even.
 
I've been in a race sprint series that allowed NOS on the little Cappuccino.
Full tuning was allowed, and everyone had their own idea on the best way to use NOS.
Not sure I would want to do it all the time, but for that series it was really good fun.
 
NOSaholic
It's not just the rooms, I have yet to see a seasonal that allows it.
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There was one at Autumn Ring not long ago. At first I couldn't understand how all the top guys in Skylines had so much speed on the start straight - that is, until I worked out NOS was allowed ;-)

Yes it is rare BUT it has happened.
 
CraigHyphenO
Not every street car can have NOS I believe, and ones that do can have different strength levels of it, meaning that it can be more of an advantage for some cars than others. It also isn't the cheapest upgrade to have at Cr. 100,000. I am sure that those who run these lobbies (I rarely do) will have a better answer than me.
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These sound like the most likely explanations. It's exactly the 2 reasons I thought when I saw the thread title question.

Also,... just because people race road cars does NOT mean they're more into "street racing" than "circuit racing".
There are a variety of reasons people might be interested in creating sort of a fantasy circuit racing motorsports with non-race cars in GT6.
 
The N20 system is flawed... Even at 50% it's HP shots can be utterly ridiculous in high HP situations.
 
ryzno
The N20 system is flawed... Even at 50% it's HP shots can be utterly ridiculous in high HP situations.
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Hmmm... I've never tried it on something higher HP than one of the Sierra special events.

But that could certainly be a reason it's not common in "clean rooms". :lol:
It's one thing like @Aussie_HSV described... having 1-make races in maxed out Cappucinos. Especially if they were endurance races... that sounds like it would be fun.
Quite another matter if you're talking about a mixed model GazillionPP tuning room. :crazy: :lol:

Thing is, most lobbies are either tuning prohibited 1-make (often via limited courtesy car garage), or PP limited tuning. Very little in the way of tuned 1-make races... which it would seem NOS would be the most fair and fun, or not even much tuning prohibited mixed model racing for that matter.

You really have to find clubs in order to find such specialized types of racing, because they require specialized prep, so it's not something you'll see in casual pub lobbies.
 
Simply put, not everyone wants to shell 100000 on every single cars.

Its the same reason why they didnt allow racing softs.
 
FrzGT
Simply put, not everyone wants to shell 100000 on every single cars.

Its the same reason why they didnt allow racing softs.
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That and people would rummage around the track like nutballs.

So yeah, probably the same reason(s). :lol:
 
I think it's mostly a cost thing. It's a bit steep so when it's on, and someone has not purchased it, they might as well just quit. What they tend to do is rage quit. So, the NOS rooms can be a revolving door of players.
 
The other issue is that NOS doesn't play into the PP calculation so if it's allowed you can't really tell how much advantage having NOS will be over not having it.

Not that the PP system is all that great, but because PP doesn't take NOS into account at all, allowing NOS essentially becomes requiring NOS. Even if you have a well-set-up car that's competitive, if someone else has NOS you're SOL. So you have to have it too if it's allowed.
 
I might be wrong, but I think it gets used up very quickly which would make it OK for Quick Match, but not for the longer races people normally run in public lobbies.
 
To find the explanation why NOS got banned in competitive lobbies, I experimented with a Honda Element running only NOS on all 3 setups (one max boost, one max duration, one balanced) and running 1 lap using NOS for the whole lap at Suzuka Circuit 2014 in GT6. This was ran on stock tires with no driving aids and no other upgrades except for the NOS. Time wise, The results were obvious:
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However, note that the amount remaining is the second factor. Run full shot (High Boost) for a whole lap and you'll likely run out before the final chicane. Run a weak shot (High Duration), and you'll still have enough for around 3 more laps. Run a average shot (Balanced), and you'll have enough for 1 more lap if your a bit more conservative (1/2 a lap if you still go all out).

From this, I concluded that the NOS is a serious game changer when used at maximum boost (especially with races that are PP-limited). The lap time at full shot is over 6 seconds faster than the balanced shot and nearly 16 seconds faster than a completely stock Honda Element (that's just from one upgrade!). However, even with a weak shot of NOS the Element is nearly 6 seconds faster than stock when used all out for 1 lap.

In the case of 1-3 lap races, a driver using NOS would certainly become a problem for those players who cannot afford this part (100k for a bottle with refills after every race). Even with a endurance race, players using NOS could use it all within any amount of time and still have a good chance of winning.

If people enter a unrestricted lobby, the players who could afford NOS and use it would have the best chance to win every race. PD currently has no way to provide a setting for lobbies that makes NOS mandatory to enter (those without NOS can't enter), so explains why the the majority of players ban the use of NOS in online lobbies.

Though not all players ban the use of NOS. The only real exceptions are newcomers to online play, or maybe some of those who run unrestricted Route-X and drag racing lobbies. Yet there are also those who wouldn't mind running NOS in lobbies from time to time.

However, there is likely some pro players out there that can beat even a player running NOS.
 
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I could see nitrous being fun in a clean race, would just add to strategy in terms of managing it throughout the race.

Coming up to the finish on the final straight, but wait. .."too soon rookie"[blows past contender for the win] :p
 
ParkerMO125
I could see nitrous being fun in a clean race, would just add to strategy in terms of managing it throughout the race.

Coming up to the finish on the final straight, but wait. .."too soon rookie"[blows past contender for the win] :p
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I think the quote you are looking for is "too soon junior".

You heavily disappoint me, sir.
 
I only see nos allowed in most of the route x and drag rooms. I don't really understand why it is outlawed in circuit racing. Maybe they want it to be fair for everyone since some people my not be able to afford nos.
 
ParkerMO125
I could see nitrous being fun in a clean race, would just add to strategy in terms of managing it throughout the race.

Coming up to the finish on the final straight, but wait. .."too soon rookie"[blows past contender for the win] :p
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If you have a regular group or race night, or can organise a one off event, I would highly recommend it.
And the amount of laughter and endless chat from everyone down the mics. when we did it suggests I'm not alone in that.
As you say the strategy becomes very interesting.
You think you know what you're going to do, then someone else does something that forces you into doing something different.
It can become a react and pray situation. :lol:

Probably not something you would do randomly in a public open lobby, but as a pre-determined event with your mates, and particularly in a small, low PP car, it's something different and great fun.
 
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