Why is everyone placing power restrictions on drift comps?

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As per thread title really.

I'd like to hear from some of the people who have been having comps of any sort with a power restriction. Tyre restrictions I can understand, we have them in real life and it's fairly obvious why, but power limits seem like a completely pointless exercise.

Why do you do it? What is the reasoning?

It's never been an issue in real life, and very rarely (in fact as far as I can remember, it's never happened) have I seen the car with the most power dominating, so why? :)

As is proved very regularly, someone in a 300bhp car can easily keep up with a car with 900+bhp as drifting as always done with broken traction, so I don't get it.

From what I've seen, it's a case of the person instigating the comp deciding what car they want to drive and then limiting the power to whatever their car has because they think someone with more power will have an advantage.
 
remember our viper tandem? i couldnt get near you. either it was the settings/weight or power.
give me your settings and we can find out ;)
 
I have no idea on this one. The first team battle that you judged for us had power restrictions and we just went with it and the rules just carried over from there.

My premium M3 has 520 hp and I easily beat a Viper that had 700+ hp the other night in an impromptu drift battle (but that is likely due to a lack of player skill versus the actual cars) -the Viper could not even keep up with me. But I would like to drift against someone who knows how to handle a monster Viper to really see the difference...

But I agree with you. No matter the horsepower - each corner has a maximum entry speed and the risks of sliding off the track is the same with 300bhp and 900bhp. Personally, I would rather battle someone with 900bhp as they are likely going to make the mistake first just because of their power...
 
I'd guess it's mostly people who don't want to have to watch everyone come in and powerslide Ferraris around thinking they know how to drift.
 
I was in charge of a drifting server today after the leader left. First thing I did was restrict the power to be a max of 400hp.

There were people racing X2010's and FGT's ON A DRIFT SERVER If they want to do that then they can go to a server meant for racing!
 
I agree, I do not understand why there are power restrictions either. I drive a 550ish hp viper and I will admit I am still learning to drift, so I came across someone the other day who was drifting in a 450 hp rx7 and I had a hard time keeping up with him everywhere except for the straights and when he followed me, he at one point got within inches of my vehicle. so definitely skill over power, its all a psychological thing I think. You know a my **** is bigger than yours type of thing. If I have a higher hp car then I'm bound to win, which is never the case.
 
As per thread title really.

I'd like to hear from some of the people who have been having comps of any sort with a power restriction. Tyre restrictions I can understand, we have them in real life and it's fairly obvious why, but power limits seem like a completely pointless exercise.

Why do you do it? What is the reasoning?

It's never been an issue in real life, and very rarely (in fact as far as I can remember, it's never happened) have I seen the car with the most power dominating, so why? :)

As is proved very regularly, someone in a 300bhp car can easily keep up with a car with 900+bhp as drifting as always done with broken traction, so I don't get it.

From what I've seen, it's a case of the person instigating the comp deciding what car they want to drive and then limiting the power to whatever their car has because they think someone with more power will have an advantage.

Because like D1 everyones cars would just get more and more powerful...
(I'm guessing you started this because your knew favorite car is a 900bhp viper :P)
 
The challenge on being able to compete with your fellow peers and exceed under the same rules as they are. It is why we had alot of things Themed and this isn't D1.
 
i would say it is mainly due to the nature of the tracks chosen for competition

they tend to have some straights involved. that is where a high hp car really shows the differences.

take the H2H comp for example, there is a mini straight right after the 1-2 corners. that small straight it's enough for a higher hp lead to pull away atleast 2 car lengths
 
I often do a restriction, I don't really want to see a Ferrari in my drift lounge, even worse a Veyron, yes, someone tried to drift in it....
 
remember our viper tandem? i couldnt get near you. either it was the settings/weight or power.
give me your settings and we can find out ;)

It was settings, had nothing to do with power. I'll take off all the mods and we can go again to see the results. Good example being that my 750bhp ISF Concept race car simply CANNOT pull off the same speed as my 380bhp PS13.

But I would like to drift against someone who knows how to handle a monster Viper to really see the difference...
Come play with me tonight, I'm pretty gelled with my viper now. Only built it yesterday at 6pm and by midnight, no-one could touch me for pace ;)

But I agree with you. No matter the horsepower - each corner has a maximum entry speed and the risks of sliding off the track is the same with 300bhp and 900bhp.
Exactly.

Personally, I would rather battle someone with 900bhp as they are likely going to make the mistake first just because of their power...
Not necessarily. That's only the case with drivers who don't have the skill to cope with the extra power. Personally, I can pull off better stuff in high power cars as low power cars hold me back. Same as real life, more power requires more skill.

I'd guess it's mostly people who don't want to have to watch everyone come in and powerslide Ferraris around thinking they know how to drift.

What's wrong with drifting a front-engined Ferrari? Just because it doesn't fit the usual ideas of what constitutes a drift car doesn't mean people shouldn't be able to use it. A better way to do it would be to ban MR cars from comps.

I was in charge of a drifting server today after the leader left. First thing I did was restrict the power to be a max of 400hp.

There were people racing X2010's and FGT's ON A DRIFT SERVER If they want to do that then they can go to a server meant for racing!

Why restrict power? That's a stupid thing to do. I just kick anyone who won't get in a FR car. If they drive a X2010 or FGT, they last about 60 seconds max before getting booted.

Because like D1 everyones cars would just get more and more powerful...
(I'm guessing you started this because your knew favorite car is a 900bhp viper :P)

And do the biggest power cars always win? No. It's personal taste and driving style. Tetsuya Hibino has won D1 rounds in the recent past in a 200bhp corolla up against 800bhp Chasers etc
And no, it's nothing to do with my Viper, I have 50+ cars tuned for drifting in my garage now, and my top 5 are all over 700bhp because I can link pretty much anything in them, it still takes skill. If anything, everyone having big power creates more differences in the drivers, and therefore makes it easier to judge.

The challenge on being able to compete with your fellow peers and exceed under the same rules as they are. It is why we had alot of things Themed and this isn't D1.

Yes, but it's down to skill and style, some people drive low power cars better than high power cars, others are the other way round. It still makes no sense to me to restrict power. Drifting is about grip, and straights aren't and issue as they aren't judged, so how does power affect it?

take the H2H comp for example, there is a mini straight right after the 1-2 corners. that small straight it's enough for a higher hp lead to pull away atleast 2 car lengths
And that is the reason why I back off the throttle going down the straights. Drifting is not a drag race, in JDM AllStars we insist that high horsepower cars wait for low power cars on the run-up. If we see them drag-race away from the slower car, we make them re-run, fairly simple to legislate for. Having drift comps limited to certain power levels restricts what cars can and can't be used for drifting, and that's not what drifting is about. It has never had restrictions in real life, and I don't think it ever will.

I often do a restriction, I don't really want to see a Ferrari in my drift lounge, even worse a Veyron, yes, someone tried to drift in it....
Again, what's wrong with drifting a Ferrari if it's front-engined? If someone tries to use a Veyron, kick them, it's not hard.
 
i hate people that as soon as there is a straight they have to full throttle how im i suppose to get close then? especially when you get pushed of the track.

roughly 80% of all drifters here does this. Please stop it
 
i hate people that as soon as there is a straight they have to full throttle how im i suppose to get close then? especially when you get pushed of the track.

roughly 80% of all drifters here does this. Please stop it

Like I said above, in real life it's not an issue, people drift for fun and the prove themselves. The best way to prove yourself is to let the opponent get close on the straights and then try to pull away in the corners. People in GT5 seem to think it's still a race and go as fast as possible on the straights, but it's fairly easy to stop, you just tell people that if they use power to pull away on the straights, they have to re-run. Simples.
 
limiting how the drivers drive sounds more ridiculous to me than limiting horsepower

one has the power one will use it, and how do you make the call if the front driver pulls away? what's the guideline for that? simply by visual??

this is the reason why hp limitation makes much more sense and easy to regulate.

sure...jdm allstar might be this way i dont know but i dont see how this is a fairer way of judging.
 
i hate people that as soon as there is a straight they have to full throttle how im i suppose to get close then? especially when you get pushed of the track.

roughly 80% of all drifters here does this. Please stop it

I agree with you 100% on this one Cerv. If I see someone trying to drag race me in the straights - I just let them pass. It's easier to let them pass rather than try to beat them to the corner and then crash. I'll just catch them in the corners... :sly:
 
I limit the car, in a JDM lounge, however those of which correspond with no Japanese car restriction, I allow all cars, except the Veyron, and the X2010.
 
limiting how the drivers drive sounds more ridiculous to me than limiting horsepower

one has the power one will use it, and how do you make the call if the front driver pulls away? what's the guideline for that? simply by visual??

this is the reason why hp limitation makes much more sense and easy to regulate.

sure...jdm allstar might be this way i dont know but i dont see how this is a fairer way of judging.

If you're going to pull away in a drift battle you have to do it in the corner for it to mean anything. I don't think it's unreasonable at all to expect the lead car to let the trailing driver match pace between corners.
 
If you're going to pull away in a drift battle you have to do it in the corner for it to mean anything. I don't think it's unreasonable at all to expect the lead car to let the trailing driver match pace between corners.

building more speed and initiate further away from the entry means a more spectacular drift.

just cause one can built up to 150km/h and do a far entry and the other had no hope to get to 150km/h to do the same. it's not one's problem that one can do a longer drift for the coming corner, it's more of a problem that the other could not.
 
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Like I said above, in real life it's not an issue, people drift for fun and the prove themselves. The best way to prove yourself is to let the opponent get close on the straights and then try to pull away in the corners. People in GT5 seem to think it's still a race and go as fast as possible on the straights, but it's fairly easy to stop, you just tell people that if they use power to pull away on the straights, they have to re-run. Simples.
i need to get macros if im going to tell that every time.
ill be writing more then ill be driving! lol
i go up to the speed i know that i can take the corner in and just cruise untill i get to the corner and do it.
this is common sense imo.

@ hksd1 well the majority of ppl doing this slams the brakes at the last moment just to create a stopsign for the others behind that came in at the fastest speed they can drift the corner at.
 
i need to get macros if im going to tell that every time.
ill be writing more then ill be driving! lol
i go up to the speed i know that i can take the corner in and just cruise untill i get to the corner and do it.
this is common sense imo.

@ hksd1 well the majority of ppl doing this slams the brakes at the last moment just to create a stopsign for the others behind that came in at the fastest speed they can drift the corner at.

it is why it's important for organizers to choose drifting sectors that is fully linkable with no straights in between. if you grip to gain speed with brute power, therefore you lose
 
Yes, but it's down to skill and style, some people drive low power cars better than high power cars, others are the other way round. It still makes no sense to me to restrict power. Drifting is about grip, and straights aren't and issue as they aren't judged, so how does power affect it?

True, I can't really argue that.
 
i need to get macros if im going to tell that every time.
ill be writing more then ill be driving! lol
i go up to the speed i know that i can take the corner in and just cruise untill i get to the corner and do it.
this is common sense imo.

Then you might want to avoid me, If theres a decently long straight leading to a turn, I'll be hitting the gas and then I'll be locking my E-Brake for a huge slide in entry.

Just a heads up if you see me in a lounge. ;)
 
Well mate i prefer restrictions because for reasons like last night. you were running that 800+BHP Viper when i only had 499BHP in my 370Z.. I couldnt catch you! they are 1 of the most used cars. same with Rx7 etc. people would just run cars with insane power without thinking on most occasions and make the contest a bit lop sided
 
Then you might want to avoid me, If theres a decently long straight leading to a turn, I'll be hitting the gas and then I'll be locking my E-Brake for a huge slide in entry.

Just a heads up if you see me in a lounge. ;)

thats a completly different thing i do that too.
i mean braking by braking in a straight line.
 
limiting how the drivers drive sounds more ridiculous to me than limiting horsepower

one has the power one will use it, and how do you make the call if the front driver pulls away? what's the guideline for that? simply by visual??

this is the reason why hp limitation makes much more sense and easy to regulate.

sure...jdm allstar might be this way i dont know but i dont see how this is a fairer way of judging.

The point is that 99% of the time it doesn't have to be regulated, the drivers do it themselves. No-one wants to win just by having more power, I guarantee it.

It's even easier with GT, because there is data logging and it is so easy to tell if someone is not adhering to the rules, 'is the gap getting bigger?', 'was he at full throttle when it was KNOWN that he had a power advantage?'.

The other simple fact is, in real life, it is a REQUIREMENT that the car NEVER straightens up other than for the run-up, so, since the car should ALWAYS be drifting, straight line speed is not even an issue. The same should go for GT really, the judged sections should REQUIRE that the driver NEVER straightens up, therfore it makes no difference who has what power.

Besides which, power is taken into account while judging, this is another reason why it's easier to judge in GT, we have known power figures. In real life, people sometimes 'sandbag' by saying their engine is stock and only makes 300bhp when actually it makes 390 etc etc, this is not an issue in GT.

As far as I can see, it's people trying to 'level the playing field' when in fact all they are doing is making it boring. You are limiting what cars will enter by saying that you have to find whatever car works best with 400bhp (or whatever power is limited to). Simple fact is, in GT, with a circa 400bhp limit, that car is the FD RX7, so what is the next thing? Ban RX7's because they develope so much more grip than most other cars? Why should I be disadvantaged by wanting to compete in my R32 (or whatever I choose), when it is blatantly obvious that an RX will piss all over a similar power R32.

I've read all the reasons people have given, and it still seems to me like the people restricting power have no idea how power actually affects a the performance of a drift car and they are trying to level a playing field in a way that is, in fact, totally ineffective, and actually just makes the playing field more uneven as it is basically saying 'you have to drive 'x' car to do well'.

building more speed and initiate further away from the entry means a more spectacular drift.

just cause one can built up to 150km/h and do a far entry and the other had no hope to get to 150km/h to do the same. it's not one's problem that one can do a longer drift for the coming corner, it's more of a problem that the other could not.
Rubbish, the fact is, most 450bhp cars will build more speed between corners than, for instance, my Viper, because I keep the wheels spinning whereas they grip and accelerate,building more speed.

i need to get macros if im going to tell that every time.
ill be writing more then ill be driving! lol
i go up to the speed i know that i can take the corner in and just cruise untill i get to the corner and do it.
this is common sense imo.

@ hksd1 well the majority of ppl doing this slams the brakes at the last moment just to create a stopsign for the others behind that came in at the fastest speed they can drift the corner at.
You don't need macros, it's easy. Besides which, in real life, if the slower car backs off the throttle (or the single car if it is during qualifying) is required to be FULL THROTTLE on ALL straights right up to the point of initiation. If he lifts, it is considered a MASSIVE loss of points as he is not going as fast as his car is CAPABLE of going.

Re: Braking, again, touch the breaks in a straight line = MASSIVE fail.

Well mate i prefer restrictions because for reasons like last night. you were running that 800+BHP Viper when i only had 499BHP in my 370Z.. I couldnt catch you! they are 1 of the most used cars. same with Rx7 etc. people would just run cars with insane power without thinking on most occasions and make the contest a bit lop sided
That was down to grip, I'd have done the same thing on stock power. The fact is POWER made no difference. Besides which, only time anyone can really catch me is if they're in an RX ;) LOL I know this sounds REALLY arrogant, but that's life, I've always been a very fast drifter (in real life) due to my race-car experience, so even in identical cars I suspect you'd struggle to keep up if I was leading and wanted to pull a gap.

I'm curious about your Viper, can I add your PSN?

My Vipers decent, but I wanna see yours in action. :P

Feel free. :)
 
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And yet I've beaten both rx7's I've battled in my S2000...
You simply can't guarantee that people don't want to win from having more power, it's just another advantage such as sports tyres or 4wd. Oh and are you saying your viper would be fast anyway and that having 900bhp is just a coincidence?
 
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And yet I've beaten both rx7's I've battled in my S2000...
You simply can't guarantee that people don't want to win from having more power, it's just another advantage such as sports tyres or 4wd. Oh and are you saying your viper would be fast anyway and that having 900bhp is just a coincidence?
I'm talking about drivers with equal levels of skill. You are a good driver and I'd wager you beat them enough on skill to make car difference not a factor.
 
Quick question: What's wrong with drifting MR and RR cars? I've seen AW11 MR2's in D1 before (albeit unsuccessfully) And i know there was a 911 in Formula D.

It's not like the mid engine makes the cars easier to drift....


I always thought the power restrictions were actually to limit the type of vehicle used, since the cars with higher stock horsepower presumably have wider tires. Since you can't adjust tire width in GT5 like you can in forza, not all comfort hards are created equal.

That was just my assumption though...i mostly drift an FC and an FD and the FD is waaay faster around corners.
 
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