Why is it so hard for me to win?

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Ok just a preface, im not trying to sound like a big baby, but I'm finding the ametuer and every race section higher really difficult. As if i can only win when I'm lucky.

I normally don't like to supe-up the cars that are required to race. I just feel like I'm sort of cheating. Sometimes I'll buy a new air filter, flywheel, clutch, and maybe new tires.

Anyway, when I'm racing i feel like i just get in the way of the other drivers way too much. Like when I'm on a long straightway going 100+mph and i get touched, i fly into the wall. Then guess what? got to basically start over. Its like the AI gives you NO room for error.

And GT5 is really really making me hate FR cars. Holy crap do I have to have a smooth gas foot in this game with FR. its like ok, I can go 50mph in a medium turn, but if I over do it just a little bit, its like HI MISTER WALL.

And I can't even complete the top gear test track challenges because of the fact they decide to throw you into a race with (it seems like) 50 other cars, and forget about the rally challenges I cant even finish one.

Anyway I'm sort of ranting. I dont consider myself ahorrible driver. I can normally get silver and some golds in the license tests. Anyone else go through a real tough phase trying to level up in this game?
 
What you have described could apply to anyone. Could you supply more details? What kind of input method are you using? What is the estimated difference in performance between your car and the cars of your opponents? Could you be making better use of the aids (non-SRF)?
 
While PSN is down, i played again offline a-spec events. I looked the typical opponent list, and buy any available in the middle class of it.
Race it on full stock no aids.. and its very hard to win indeed.
Sometimes i think the AI is using modified cars
 
They are. Check the list of cars that your opponents use. Not all of these cars have stock stats.
 
If you are using a DS3 (PS3) controller, try using some assists if you feel the controller buttons are very sensitive. Always check your opponents HP range on the menu screen before loading the track.
 
I didn't find the AI too hard in this game to be honest. Most of the time you can beat them with less powerful car. If you are having troubles tune your car a bit more or use some assists like Skid recovery until your skill improves.

The AI does use slightly tuned or at least broken in cars. I tried the Gallardo race with a brand new Gallardo with an oil change and it had 270-something HP while they had 299hp. You could see them pulling away on the straights.

Just try a bit better car until you don't have to anymore and you'll see that you can easily overtake any AI in the corners because they go so slow through them.
 
I suspect you're having problems with GT5 because you're entering a world of driving simulators, while many other driving games are arcade-style and don't try to model real life physics. And so your driving style in GT5 needs to adapt to respect that - i.e. no more throttle-jamming to speed out of corners, no more wild steering, understanding that drifting is generally bad, etc.

Some suggestions to try:

(1) I'm guessing you're using a DS3, so first thing I'd recommend is to map your throttle/brake to triggers. This unlocks throttle/brake control.

(2) Start with slower cars, resist driving any stealth/chromeline cars until much later. FF/4WD are good cars to learn game physics on. I started with the Integra type R, and I'm teaching my wife in a WRX. To date, I still love driving my Integra despite its lack of power - no shame in that.

(3) One mistake that beginners often make is over-compensating when the car slips. When you're bumped, or you touch the slippery grass, its easy to panic and massively countersteer. Don't. Because this swings you in the opposite direction, then you countersteer again, and again and again like a pendulum until like you said, you say hi to the wall.

(4) Brake early and throttle control. Your licence tests should have explained this in detail. In fact, I'd suggest you finish ALL license tests before proceeding in A-Spec. Gives you some good cars in the process.

(5) After you're done with the licence tests, I'd recommend doing the AMG Special Events. Driving around the Nurburgring hundreds of times is a sure fire way of improving your skills. Prepare your neighbors for loud cursing though, particularly if you're gunning for golds.

(6) Above all, practice. Trust me, once you get the hang of GT5, you'll never want to go back to arcade racing. The latter's just... ridiculously laughable.
 
Thanks for the replies.

Another few notes. Im not new to the simulator scene. I loved GT3. GT4, Enthusia, Live for speed, and now GT5. I also use a logitec steering wheel.

Question, how do I see my opponents car parts, or how much HP or PPP they have before a race? i know I can see my typical opponents, but i didnt know I could look through their performance addons.

I also believe the opponent is using upgrades to stock cars. For example, i used a 60's corvette in a muscle car race, and there was this REAL long straight where I would top out my MPH very quickly, but everyone else was able to pass me and continue to go faster (including an opponent with the same car I was using). So this must mean they had a fully customizing transmission added to their car.

I'll try using performance addons against my will I suppose now that I know that my opponents are doing the same most of the time. I just hate wasting 10,000 - 50,000cr on just one car's addons to win one series.
 
Dont over look B-spec, B-spec mode = Free money, Free Prize cars,
Also when PSN online returns Look at your friends lists and see what they are sharing online.
Later races force Gear ratio changes to win so running cars as stock will lose even more races.
 
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Question, how do I see my opponents car parts, or how much HP or PPP they have before a race? i know I can see my typical opponents, but i didnt know I could look through their performance addons.
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In the typical opponent screen, you can see HP & weight stats, though not individual part upgrades. Enough for you to pick a car with comparable power/weight ratio.
 
AI uses tuned cars.
That's what makes using stock cars from the same class difficult.
I played Schwartzvald league B Nurburgring race in my SLR, played without contact and had a suspiciously fast Audi R8 4.2 in front of me, which I overtook just after Karussel.
 
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AI uses tuned cars.
That's what makes using stock cars from the same class difficult.
I played Schwartzvald league B Nurburgring race in my SLR, played without contact and had a suspiciously fast Audi R8 4.2 in front of me, which I overtook just after Karussel.
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A few days ago I've done the Schwarzwald League B again, just for fun, to try out my R8 5.2 FSI which was stock. Well, after watching the loading screen, starting the race and driving for about one minute - at that moment I was in second position - I noticed that there was a really fast car in front of me. Although my map is quite tiny, especially on a big track like the Nürburgring Nordschleife, the car was almost out of the map. It was something like 15 seconds in front of me. I was wondering what car that opponent was driving...
It took me almost half of the race until I was able to overtake him. The big surprise was: he drove in an Audi R8 4.2 FSI! Actually, my car would had been way faster.
I won with an advance of ca. 3 seconds, I lost 2.5 seconds on the Döttinger Höhe. I was surprised how close that opponent came. Usually I'm winning on the Nordschleife with more than 15 seconds advance against the AI.
Obviously, the R8 4.2 FSI of that AI driver was extremly tuned, otherwise he would have been as "slow" as the other AI-R8, which was somewhere on position 5 or 6.
 
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(5) After you're done with the licence tests, I'd recommend doing the AMG Special Events. Driving around the Nurburgring hundreds of times is a sure fire way of improving your skills. Prepare your neighbors for loud cursing though, particularly if you're gunning for golds..
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I LOL IRL at the end of this section. My usual rant while trying for the gold is "Don't $@&?in' spin demmit!!!". Argh!
 
Mostly good advice above, and as I scanned, not reading deeply I may have missed someone else suggesting to turn the traction assist off or way down to 1 or 2.
There are VERY few cars (the Alfa 8C for instance) that benefit from having it on.
I have found that if I try to correct with it on I get thrown violently in the opposite direction.
If you want to keep tuning to a minimum, I would suggest that buying the racing transmission, would be the best and biggest bang for the buck along with grippier tires.
With the adjustable trans, you have a lot more control to balance top speed and accellaration. For instance you don't NEED a 200 mph top speed at Autumn ring mini.
I also agree with mapping your brake to one of the triggers.
I used to use one trigger for brake and one for acceleration. Then one trigger for brake and the right analog stick for gas. Now, as I drive automatic trans, I use the right stick for gas and brake.
I have learned that blipping the brake like you would the throttle, on some courses causes/forces a downshift to aid with accelleration out of corners.
The AI is indeed agressive, but also kind of stupid. Wait for them to over correct or go too wide in a corner (the higher the speed the higher the likelihood of this)and swoop inside to pass. Wacth your rearview mirror sometime and see some of the crazy driving of the AI at the first corner of Grand Valley, or Laguna Seca.
 
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If someone already hasn't suggested it I strongly recommend the License Tests and the Special Events. Definitely will help you "learn" how to drive in a simulator. Though they eventually got tedious for me, it was the best thing to help me learn and get better.
 

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