Why is most of the GTPlanet community so Un-Grateful?

  • Thread starter Thread starter 2011Z
  • 213 comments
  • 11,135 views
Status
Not open for further replies.
finnracer
Its such a shame that the dissapointment threads get more posts than the appreciation ones. People are way to ungrateful and most can't even give constructive without getting all childish and whingy about it.

We allow people to voice their opinion, within the confines of our Acceptable Use Policy. Within reason, we allow both the good and bad, and everything in between to be said about the game. If we only allow the adulations and praises be spoken, then we aren't a real community, and it patently is not fair to squelch those opinions, save for duplicate threads, or those which break the rules.

On the other hand, it's typically easier for people to default to complaining, rather than complementing, a product or service, if there is little or no incentive to do so. Emotionally, people will run to the Internet to voice a negative opinion, just as in the past, people would tell their neighbors, friends, schoolmates, and co-workers, about whatever did them wrong. The reasons are that negative opinions generally float around longer, and that typically such an experience will be transmitted to others between 7 and even 60 times, from just relaying a bad experience to one person, whereas usually a positive experience is only relayed a handful of times. I think it's due to a Betrayal of Trust for which people generally want to keep good news to themselves, and keep whatever benefits arise from those experiences close.

I think there's a lot of people who expect their games and their realities to be perfect, but they never are. The Gran Turismo series have also never been easy games, unless you take the path of least resistance every time. Even so, one can make the game almost as difficult as they please. Many people on our boards aren't equipped to deal with the vicissitudes of life and mistakes/errors that invariably occur in their teenage years, which comprises a large number of our users. Then again, a video game is usually viewed as a relaxation device, something that entertains and shelters us from the imperfections and harsh realities, and even that isn't going right...someone's gonna pay!

With all that said, our vision for the site is one where we'd prefer and promote a more positive light to be shed, as negativity can breed more negativity and a general feeling of apathy, which isn't the healthiest way to sustain a community. But on the other hand, we are quite permitting of one's opinion, yet we can't let it overwhelm our boards because it's not constructive nor helpful in most cases, whereas helping others (in some way) is honestly what what the community spirit that keeps GTPlanet running, while many boards have vanished or foundered over the years.
 
Last edited:
I wouldn't say that.

It was through complaining that we now have Stardard cockpits and changeable wheels on standards.

If we didn't complain about it so much, it would never have happened.

Proof?
You must have inside information. Kaz said last year the he felt the game was unfinished and planned updates.

I agree with the OP. It would be nice if the complainers would keep it to the feedback section. When I first saw the "Disapointment 2.02" thread, I just calmy thought "Are you kidding me?" I'm 34 years old and just completely exhausted of all the crying in this beautiful world we live in. Life is too short.
 
Complaints often lead to improvements, but there is also a thing called constructive criticism which is a lot better in my opinion. Sometimes it seems that people complain just too much and overlook the good things they got. I think if Kaz knew english and read all these complaints he would do a harakiri :P
 
The 'complaint' threads only get so big because people feel the need to enter the thread and argue/disagree with the people airing these complaints.

It's weird. If you were in a shop and someone was at the complaints department saying he wasn't happy with the product he bought would you jump in and start defending the store and product?
 
I'm sure there's a translator readily available that let's him know of the daily or weekly buzz. I own a small business employing 32 people, we have to satisfy one client, or roughly ten people. I couldn't imagine trying to satisfy millions. He probably just jumps in one of his Ford GTs and heads off for a massage, while he contemplates his next move.
 
The 'complaint' threads only get so big because people feel the need to enter the thread and argue/disagree with the people airing these complaints.

It's weird. If you were in a shop and someone was at the complaints department saying he wasn't happy with the product he bought would you jump in and start defending the store and product?

Yeah I think you're right. I also went into the complaint threads and started defending things which people complained about while I thought there was no reason to do that. Found out it's pretty useless as people clearly have different opinions and they are not easy to change. It's probably better to only read the complaint threads if you have something to complain about.

Maybe it's a good idea to make a big thread with only complaints and not allow any arguing from either side about it. That way it's easier to list the complaints and to possibly send them to PD as feedback.
 
Agreed with the author.
There is so less apreciations. If I imagine having this game now,in 1998...

Playing since than,and see how saga GT has grow up on me,I just can say that could be lot of worst.

We have a really fun game that make you have very good feelings of how one car goes,plus g25...

If you keep playing,like me,enjoy...,game is out +one year ago...
 
Pupik, I appreciate your points, but also just think its a shame that people can't be more constructive in their criticism, its far better mannered and dosent cause huge internet flame wars!! Like most people I can find a few issues with the game (shadows, duplicates, lack of A-spec compared to GT4) but I would much rather focus on the good, merely mentioning the problems rather than getting all worked up about them!
 
Most of you can set the stupid to Ignore, but we moderators can't. And honestly, the best cure for all this is to ignore the crap, and make posts and threads that you want to see. Flame wars never work.

Then again, we mods can fold, spindle, and mutilate the worst offenders.
 
Great, another bitching about bitching post..

The problem with the GTplanet community is that most of us played GT4 and naively expected GT5 to be the next logical evolution of GT by building on what was already there.

Queue a year after release and we are just now able to switch rims on 100% of the cars in the game instead of 10% in a 2011 next gen racing simulator.

Yeh, I might just expect people to call out PD on such inexplicable shortcomings, and guess what, it's working as they are fixing some of these things and will continue to do so (hopefully online events a la Prologue are next).
 
Oh the paradox in here is getting a little weird. Must not position the mirrors. . . .
 
Game is not free to play or made by little team (LFS). We can expect a lot of reasonable things, especially from Sony's big title. If someone have low standarts, that's ok. Game have issues AND it's dealing with them. Step by step, patch after patch game becoming better.
They added a lot of thing to expand game (Suits, seasonals, OCD), while some of core aspects (Ai, shadows, tracks) still not perfect. That's where my complaints come from.
 
There is a group of especially negative posters that ony respond in threads that criticise GT5. If you start paying attention, these people are easily identifiable by this pattern. They also have something in common and I am pretty sure most of you can figure out what that is.

It's a shame really.
 
maybe because Kaz is an expert in the great Art of rubbing people in the wrong way: Super long development with at the end a HALF game, Right-handed for mostly all original brand left handed cars, starving somalian-type DLCs, NO real improvement in KEY areas (sound, shadows, Standard cars, etc...), SUPER sick secrecy (look at SMS and Project Cars, pal, they completely understood the concept of open sharing to make things BETTER), etc... So yes, we are "ungrateful" with SOME DAMM GOOD REASONS
 
Last edited:
What a sad reflection on people these days?

PD are under no obligation to improve the game. People continually complain and PD keep delivering. I thank them. And no, I'm not a PD fan-boy. I'm just continually disappointed by the level of "spoilt brat" comments that appear and the lack of any gratitude for what they get - for free.
 
I think the problem, at least for a few people, is that they boil the issue down to a black and white one, where people who aren't enamoured with the latest update or DLC are "ungrateful". Someone can be disappointed (see the, er, disappointment thread), without being ungrateful.

Take the Standard car wheel changes. I'm happy they're added, but at the same time, they really shouldn't have taken over a year to include in the game, especially as they just use already existing wheels. I'm happy I can finally have different wheels on my 800 last-gen cars, but I do still miss GT4's very cool Today's Special option. Therefore, disappointment, but I'm still grateful to have got the update at all, because an incredibly late one is better than nothing.

Plenty of communities devoted to a particular series play host to rabid fans, but GT seems to have plenty more of the "dare not speak ill" sort. It is possible to be critical of a game, even disappointed, while remaining a fan. Someone else said it best (I can't remember who): I am a GT fan, but not necessarily a huge GT5 fan.
 
I think people are unhappy because when a game is priced at $60 (even more for the collector's and signature editions) there are so many features that feel unfinished or afterthoughts, too many to list.

Personally, I was expecting many more tracks and more ways to customize cars judging from the huge amount of content in Gran Turismo 4. GT5 seems like a step backward, except for the premium car visuals and physics.
 
maybe because Kaz is an expert in the great Art of rubbing people in the wrong way: Super long development with at the end a HALF game, Right-handed for mostly all original brand left handed cars, starving somalian-type DLCs, NO real improvement in KEY areas (sound, shadows, Standard cars, etc...), SUPER sick secrecy (look at SMS and Project Cars, pal, they completely understood the concept of open sharing to make things BETTER), etc... So yes, we are "ungrateful" with SOME DAMM GOOD REASONS

Wow, you'd think you were tied to a chair and forced to play this game...

Really...Do you lose sleep at night worrying about which side of the car they modeled it for? Somalian-type DLCs? So you have to pirate them, or are you starving while deciding between which of your twenty PS3 games to play on your 42" flat-screen TV or just posting another rant from your iPhone? Sharing? Can't you play this game and actually win some of these prizes, or do you have to beg for a hand-out? Does anyone really have a neuroses about desiring a car that has 300 more horsepower than another car that will already slaughter the AI competition? Wah...the shadows aren't perfect; let me guess, you refuse to sleep with supermodels that might have a pimple on the ass? I can understand, as it's tough to demand perfection from things you had no part of creating, and couldn't in a million years. Want better sound? Go outside your house and listen to the traffic, or fiddle with the game settings or buy some real speakers...I mean, is it all worth shouting about?

That's why so many of us hate whiners and the whingers.
 
PD could have taken your money and done nothing more to update the game. They are making effort to respond to the calls for improvements. Quite frankly, for the amount of negative comments they get, I would probably have said "****e to you all then" and ended development.
 
Wow, you'd think you were tied to a chair and forced to play this game...

Really...Do you lose sleep at night worrying about which side of the car they modeled it for? Somalian-type DLCs? So you have to pirate them, or are you starving while deciding between which of your twenty PS3 games to play on your 42" flat-screen TV or just posting another rant from your iPhone? Sharing? Can't you play this game and actually win some of these prizes, or do you have to beg for a hand-out? Does anyone really have a neuroses about desiring a car that has 300 more horsepower than another car that will already slaughter the AI competition? Wah...the shadows aren't perfect; let me guess, you refuse to sleep with supermodels that might have a pimple on the ass? I can understand, as it's tough to demand perfection from things you had no part of creating, and couldn't in a million years. Want better sound? Go outside your house and listen to the traffic, or fiddle with the game settings or buy some real speakers...I mean, is it all worth shouting about?

That's why so many of us hate whiners and the whingers.

So people just have standards. Some obviously dont.

In the same tone as your supermodel reference, do you sleep with huge, ugly, pimpled-faced girls, but tell your friends she has a great personality, and is great in the sack to justify it?

Want better sound? The fact that games (some 8 years old) have better sound than GT5 is mind blowing to me. The holy messiah to some people also known as Kaz, should be able to get it even somewhat good I thought. I mean according to some he walks on water, why couldnt he put decent sounds in?

Nobody is forced to play any game, just like nobody is forced to roll over an accept a product that they think is broken without voiceing concerns.

PD could have taken your money and done nothing more to update the game. They are making effort to respond to the calls for improvements. Quite frankly, for the amount of negative comments they get, I would probably have said "****e to you all then" and ended development.

And thats why its a good thing FM4 came out when it did. So PD would actually try to retain as many people as possible.

Thanks PD for finally fixing things after a year that should have been fixed shortly after release of the game...lol.
 
well, the problem is that gt5 truly feels like a beta made by a rookie company.

beta = gt5 was released incomplete, as we all know

rookie company = PD didn't release a major game in years, so they are behind times. Easy to tell since they make lots of mistakes that an experienced company just doesn't do, for example not releasing dlc for a year and actually removing content from the game.

and don't get me wrong, I love the gt series. I could be playing all sorts of sims with better physics than gt5, but I like its concept.
 
I fail to see where not whoring DLC for a year is a bad thing for the consumer.

It's bad for them because they'll sell less DLC because less people would be interested a year later, common sense.
 
maybe because Kaz is an expert in the great Art of rubbing people in the wrong way: Super long development with at the end a HALF game, Right-handed for mostly all original brand left handed cars, starving somalian-type DLCs, NO real improvement in KEY areas (sound, shadows, Standard cars, etc...), SUPER sick secrecy (look at SMS and Project Cars, pal, they completely understood the concept of open sharing to make things BETTER), etc... So yes, we are "ungrateful" with SOME DAMM GOOD REASONS

Looks like you already found some "better" racing games. Go play them :)

Merry Xmas
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest Posts

Back