Why isn't tire selection part of PP?

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I can understand that powertrain and aero packages determine PP. But what about the tires you equip? Take 2 cars straight from the NCD and compare lap times between the 2 each using different compounds, one using SH and one using SS. Theoretically the one with the softer compound should be faster. Don't take in driver error or anything. I don't know if that will cause more problems when racing online, than dictating either PP or tire restrictions?
 
been scratching my head at this one, since v1.00 , same with drivetrain parts, that don't affect pp.
 
Torque_13
I can understand that powertrain and aero packages determine PP. But what about the tires you equip? Take 2 cars straight from the NCD and compare lap times between the 2 each using different compounds, one using SH and one using SS. Theoretically the one with the softer compound should be faster. Don't take in driver error or anything. I don't know if that will cause more problems when racing online, than dictating either PP or tire restrictions?
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Can't really argue with that. I guess it's just one of those things that PD thought were un-important so they left it out. A camaro SS with RS is a completly different car than one with SH. Definatly think this should be fixed in an update.
 
After version 2.08 there is a very good reason why tires shouldn't be part of the PP calculation as hard and soft compounds no longer wear out at the same speed. While this aspect may not play a big role in short races it certainly does in longer races, thereby it's a question of pit strategy rather than advantage. Just make sure to use the tyre restriction in short races in which soft compounds would be beneficial.
 
Well, tires should be same type (racing, sports etc) for anyone in the same race I think. And different compounds (soft, hard etc) have different strengths depending on race length, with a set of hards generally giving less grip but lasting much longer. Therefore I think they've just left it out of the PP equation.
 
From what I remember the pp system took into account the tires when it first came out, but they quickly scratched it in the next update. I personally like that its not included, as everyone should be on the same tire in races, IMO.
 
bdubclub
From what I remember the pp system took into account the tires when it first came out, but they quickly scratched it in the next update. I personally like that its not included, as everyone should be on the same tire in races, IMO.
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But if its not included, it won't give you a disadvantage or advantage on PP.

You can limit the Tires and PP online, but say you're on Sports Hards in an M3 @ 550PP and then someone else has Sports Softs in an M3 @ 550PP, what will have the advantage?

Anyways, I'm not arguing with you - just making my point to PD and I agree that PP should be affected with Tire Selection as they used to when they first introduced it. 👍
 
Still never gotten an explanation why it is necessary when you can limit tires separately from PP. Before you could do that when the PP system was first introduced, sure.
 
Toronado
Still never gotten an explanation why it is necessary when you can limit tires separately from PP. Before you could do that when the PP system was first introduced, sure.
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Sometimes you aren't the host and if you think everyone's running Sports Hards and they're not, well it's just unfair.
I understand your point, but I still feel that PP should be affected as after all the tires do alter the performance, don't they?
 
aadil717
Sometimes you aren't the host and if you think everyone's running Sports Hards and they're not, well it's just unfair.
I understand your point, but I still feel that PP should be affected as after all the tires do alter the performance, don't they?
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If people are running anything other than what the rules specify, why bother? If a random lobby has no tire restrictions, I assume everyone will use RS. If that is not the case, the room is probably terrible.

On the tire PP issue, I'd rather they not count in GT5. Tires are modeled very poorly, basically overwhelming nearly all other modifications, and all the tire grades are miles apart from each other in performance (both grip and tire wear) which makes balancing them across a wide range of races a pain. If GT6 models tires correctly, and they only augment your performance instead of transforming your car completely, and we have a large number of tire compounds and classes along with environmental modeling to make tire strategy somewhat realistic, then I'd like to see tires included in PP (it would be necessary to truly capture road car performance differences if they get tires modeled on their real world tires). Until then, keep them out of PP.

But if PD made it optional which method of PP calc to use in GT5, I wouldn't mind. I'd just avoid all rooms that include tires in PP.
 
aadil717
Sometimes you aren't the host and if you think everyone's running Sports Hards and they're not, well it's just unfair.
I understand your point, but I still feel that PP should be affected as after all the tires do alter the performance, don't they?
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Tip: Always check what everyone else is using. When in a lobby, when their name appears on that blue slot, read which tires they have.
 
MrMelancholy15
Tip: Always check what everyone else is using. When in a lobby, when their name appears on that blue slot, read which tires they have.
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Thanks, I already knew that but, it's not always practical when you're running quick races though.

Anyways yeah I see where you guys are coming from but I was just trying to give another side to the argument. The current system seems fine to me but I suppose the other one would be too - wouldn't make much difference to anything.
 
In fairness, a good driver will be good on whichever tire compound.


It's just, we all know, as OP stated, that a good driver on sports tires will be faster on racing tires.


Again, as the entire community says, "race how you want." If you don't like Racing softs, don't use racing softs.


Personally, I can't stand racing on comfort tires with a DS3. All of my inputs mean almost nothing to the direction of the car. :grumpy: In real life, I drive an Accent on all-season tires, and I can feel a difference being made, on every single input. When I hit the throttle, I feel a difference; the brakes, I feel a big difference, but, in GT5, the comfort tires are just uselessly numb.


So, I prefer to race on Racing Hards, or sports softs. If I'm in a Miata/MX-5 type car, I'll run with sports hards, and I drift on comfort tires.


It's about preference, and you can find lobbies that match your preferences.
 
I liked when the tire selection affected PP. Then again, choosing medium tires and adding power was very effective against soft tires.
 

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