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Porsche reports profits catered over the first 3 quarters of this year compared to 2024, likely due to a combination of US tariffs, increased consumer pushback against EVs and nosediving China sales

 


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With looks like those, I suspect that video title means more than 1 kind of ICE to be a fan of.
 
Anyone hear about this? I'd post it in the Genesis thread but I don't wanna double-post.

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I'm one of the few people who doesn't mind the majority of features being on a touch screen (providing the software is good) and have rarely had issues with it in my own car*, but the regulations around cars requiring so many ADAS systems could definitely do with being revised. I've only ever had them be a hindrance. Again, in my own car they're not really an issue but a more modern one I had as a courtesy car recently was a nightmare to drive until they were switched off (every single time you started the car...).

*the glovebox button being on the screen is bloody idiotic, though.
 
Hey, listen, this thread is stupid and pointless. "Wider car industry news" is what the Auto News forum is for. Just post a thread there if it's worth talking about. This is just an RSS feed of your favorite crappy blogs.
 
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Probably a good move. I personally find it astonishing that the SAE has not pushed harder against regulators for ignoring human factors and mandating various safety systems, or not outlining how these safety systems should operate. Ignoring human factors in general. For example, automatic headlights combined with bright DRLs and permalit gauge clusters. How the hell is somebody supposed to know that their headlights are accidentally off if the DRLs are bright enough to light the road and the gauges are all legible? Nobody knows what that tiny green symbol on the dash means, and on modern screens it's so small you can't see it in the graphical noise anyway. On my 2005 Rav4 there are three layers of warning that my headlights aren't on - the road isn't lit at all, my gauges are completely black, and the tiny green symbol is not lit either. In new cars, there is barely a single layer of warning. I don't understand how the SAE has allowed this to happen, and this type of thing has happened to multiple systems in cars. Most of these new technologies, combined with universally poor training in America, has produced a plague of bad drivers.
 
The entire administration is full of morons but there is no reason why Kei cars shouldn't be offered in the US. They would probably only sell in dense urban environments like NYC, LA, and Chicago, but it could work.

I'd bet a reason they want to open this up is because they've realized the wave of imports. By and large the imports are just by hobbyists. Very few people are importing Kei cars because they're actually good at something, more because they're a neat way to spend money. But a small wealthy suburb here in Dayton does actually have a fleet of Kei trucks they use for garbage collection and Kei trucks in particular are definitely being imported for usefulness.
 
The entire administration is full of morons but there is no reason why Kei cars shouldn't be offered in the US. They would probably only sell in dense urban environments like NYC, LA, and Chicago, but it could work.

I'd bet a reason they want to open this up is because they've realized the wave of imports. By and large the imports are just by hobbyists. Very few people are importing Kei cars because they're actually good at something, more because they're a neat way to spend money. But a small wealthy suburb here in Dayton does actually have a fleet of Kei trucks they use for garbage collection and Kei trucks in particular are definitely being imported for usefulness.
Lets be real, this is probably a ploy to federalize $25,000 golf carts for road use.
 
The entire administration is full of morons but there is no reason why Kei cars shouldn't be offered in the US. They would probably only sell in dense urban environments like NYC, LA, and Chicago, but it could work.

I'd bet a reason they want to open this up is because they've realized the wave of imports. By and large the imports are just by hobbyists. Very few people are importing Kei cars because they're actually good at something, more because they're a neat way to spend money. But a small wealthy suburb here in Dayton does actually have a fleet of Kei trucks they use for garbage collection and Kei trucks in particular are definitely being imported for usefulness.
A guy down the street from me has one of those little Kei trucks, it honestly looks so handy to have for around town but I would be terrified to drive something that small and slow on a highway alongside massive 400hp trucks and suvs, not to mention the semis.
 
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The entire administration is full of morons but there is no reason why Kei cars shouldn't be offered in the US. They would probably only sell in dense urban environments like NYC, LA, and Chicago, but it could work.

I'd bet a reason they want to open this up is because they've realized the wave of imports. By and large the imports are just by hobbyists. Very few people are importing Kei cars because they're actually good at something, more because they're a neat way to spend money. But a small wealthy suburb here in Dayton does actually have a fleet of Kei trucks they use for garbage collection and Kei trucks in particular are definitely being imported for usefulness.
Seems like odd timing. It's not like the US hasn't had access to Kei cars previously had they wanted them. GM made and sold a variation of the Suzuki Carry for decades as the Bedford Rascal in Europe alongside Chevy, Daewoo and Holden variations in South American, Asian and Austrailan markets.
 
Seems like odd timing.
Well let's separate two different timings - the administration's announcement timing, and the economic timing. As for the former, I'm not sure we can judge that at all because there's very little rhyme or reason to the daily function of this administration.

As for the economic timing, it would be both weird and ideal. Weird for the companies since Kei cars are cheap and rely on mass volume to turn a profit, and brands in America are interested primarily in selling too much vehicle at the limit of what people can afford to maximize revenue and profit at the same time. But ideal for customers because holy cow we need both some relief from the price of transportation in a country where mass transit simply won't work due to scale, and we also want to pressure these companies into getting off our backs to enrich their board members.

And therein lies much of the nonsense of this announcement - it does nothing to support American brands, and largely just hurts them because they have no offerings and the ones they develop probably won't be good.
 
a country where mass transit simply won't work due to scale corporate interference and lobbying
FTFY. Tokyo has a far more difficult mass transit problem to solve than a typical American city, and at equivalent scale, and they've mastered it. We even mastered it (to a degree) for our particularly urban/suburban development patterns before General Motors and their corporate partners started literally buying transit agencies throughout the country just to shut them down.

If the US had not committed transit suicide in this period, we could be living in a far more efficient country with lots of quality light rail service, like you see in continental Europe. It actually does work for suburbs...its actually an easier problem to solve than a city like Tokyo where everyone lives and works everywhere, meaning you need a dense mesh of transit lines and enormous coordinated efforts to plan, develop, maintain, and run the system.
 
FTFY. Tokyo has a far more difficult mass transit problem to solve than a typical American city, and at equivalent scale, and they've mastered it. We even mastered it (to a degree) for our particularly urban/suburban development patterns before General Motors and their corporate partners started literally buying transit agencies throughout the country just to shut them down.

If the US had not committed transit suicide in this period, we could be living in a far more efficient country with lots of quality light rail service, like you see in continental Europe. It actually does work for suburbs...its actually an easier problem to solve than a city like Tokyo where everyone lives and works everywhere, meaning you need a dense mesh of transit lines and enormous coordinated efforts to plan, develop, maintain, and run the system.
I get the origins but I simply don't believe it can be done effectively throughout the Midwest. There are some short routes that work within the urban core of a few cities but by and large the downtowns of the cities in this region simply aren't big and healthy enough yet to support it, and nowhere even close enough to justify people getting rid of their cars.

What would actually work better for me in Ohio, and what is in the works, is regional train lines like the Brightline in Miami. It's extremely common for people to drive between Dayton, Cincy, Columbus, and Indy, all four of them all the time for everything from sports games to work commutes. Now that is an opportunity to gather a lot of ridership on a train, even though there is absolutely nothing in between these cities.

As for the Kei cars, I've got the problem of happily driving one around town here in Dayton, but also needing to drive hours on the freeway to those other cities quite often. Intracity rail would not help me at all in Dayton, but intercity rail to those other cities and their airports absolutely would, and would allow me to only own a cheap Kei car for local trips. Besides Chicago which has an urban core that rivals SF, Oakland, and SJ combined, no other city anywhere near me can support intracity commuter rail but could definitely handle intercity rail. Hell, the distance to connect all your Bay Area downtowns, from SF down to SJ back up to Richmond, is as long as the distance from downtown Cincy to Dayton to Columbus except your in a conspicuously dense suburb the entire time. The Miami Brightline runs the same distance as downtown Dayton to Columbus but it's deep in the Florida suburban hellscape for every inch of it. The Bay Area metro's density is over double that of Columbus, and half your counties are uninhabited mountain forest.

For the Midwest, its a problem of affordability. The density simply doesn't exist to cover the cost of intracity transit, but if we were able to complement intercity rail with inexpensive Kei cars that recipe could free up a lot of space and disposable income for many people.
 
I get the origins but I simply don't believe it can be done effectively throughout the Midwest. There are some short routes that work within the urban core of a few cities but by and large the downtowns of the cities in this region simply aren't big and healthy enough yet to support it, and nowhere even close enough to justify people getting rid of their cars.

What would actually work better for me in Ohio, and what is in the works, is regional train lines like the Brightline in Miami. It's extremely common for people to drive between Dayton, Cincy, Columbus, and Indy, all four of them all the time for everything from sports games to work commutes. Now that is an opportunity to gather a lot of ridership on a train, even though there is absolutely nothing in between these cities.

As for the Kei cars, I've got the problem of happily driving one around town here in Dayton, but also needing to drive hours on the freeway to those other cities quite often. Intracity rail would not help me at all in Dayton, but intercity rail to those other cities and their airports absolutely would, and would allow me to only own a cheap Kei car for local trips. Besides Chicago which has an urban core that rivals SF, Oakland, and SJ combined, no other city anywhere near me can support intracity commuter rail but could definitely handle intercity rail. Hell, the distance to connect all your Bay Area downtowns, from SF down to SJ back up to Richmond, is as long as the distance from downtown Cincy to Dayton to Columbus except your in a conspicuously dense suburb the entire time. The Miami Brightline runs the same distance as downtown Dayton to Columbus but it's deep in the Florida suburban hellscape for every inch of it. The Bay Area metro's density is over double that of Columbus, and half your counties are uninhabited mountain forest.

For the Midwest, its a problem of affordability. The density simply doesn't exist to cover the cost of intracity transit, but if we were able to complement intercity rail with inexpensive Kei cars that recipe could free up a lot of space and disposable income for many people.
I won't argue that the urban fabric of the post-industrial, patchily-occupied midwest is challenging from many perspectives. Post-1950 and especially post-Raegan scorched earth corporate greed + the incentives/outcomes from the largest publicly funded project in US history got us here. Municipalities, in the mid-west especially, have faced the flight of their tax base and aging infrastructure and basically no good options...basically the only money that comes in for a lot of suburbia (throughout the country) is impact fees for new development which continues the cycle of relentless sprawl, a reinforcing spiral where the primary source of revenue results in the primary source of revenue drain (IE maintenance) in the future...a development Ponzi scheme where the only easy way to solve the right-now problem is to create an even bigger later problem. My argument is that it didn't have to be this way.

But I guess it's good we are fixing the structural issues of the country by rounding up all the immigrants.
 
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Seems like odd timing. It's not like the US hasn't had access to Kei cars previously had they wanted them. GM made and sold a variation of the Suzuki Carry for decades as the Bedford Rascal in Europe alongside Chevy, Daewoo and Holden variations in South American, Asian and Austrailan markets.
It's not, it's just him being a moron per usual. He wants them sold here, but under the stipulation that they are built here (that's the catch; so he can boast he got more manufacturing factories brought to the US & more affordable cars, even though that's a "hoax" or something).

Which, good luck convincing manufacturers to invest millions & millions of dollars in new factories or updating current factories to build smaller cars the US market has demonstrated they will not buy; people don't want it, there is no reason to build it. Basic economics, but this administration works at a pre-school level of education there.
 
It's not, it's just him being a moron per usual. He wants them sold here, but under the stipulation that they are built here (that's the catch; so he can boast he got more manufacturing factories brought to the US & more affordable cars, even though that's a "hoax" or something).

Which, good luck convincing manufacturers to invest millions & millions of dollars in new factories or updating current factories to build smaller cars the US market has demonstrated they will not buy; people don't want it, there is no reason to build it. Basic economics, but this administration works at a pre-school level of education there.
They struggle to sell properly small cars over here, these days, where they actually make sense. In the states where theres a general ingrained, unjustified perception that small cars are unsafe or ‘not fast enough to safely join the freeway’ or whatever I just can’t see them selling kei-sized cars to any degree that makes it worthwhile your president talking about it, especially one who takes so much from the oil lobbyists.
 
They struggle to sell properly small cars over here, these days, where they actually make sense. In the states where theres a general ingrained, unjustified perception that small cars are unsafe or ‘not fast enough to safely join the freeway’ or whatever I just can’t see them selling kei-sized cars to any degree that makes it worthwhile your president talking about it, especially one who takes so much from the oil lobbyists.
I'm telling you the angle is golf carts for the poors, a market that is only being served by used cars right now. Just because he takes money from oil lobbyists doesn't mean he can't take money from other lobbyists.
 

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