Will be Having a ride in a 600bhp R34

[Famine]

They have to rationalise it somehow - that, you know, obviously it's bad most of the time, because it's stupid people doing it but when they do it it's okay because it's them doing it. And they're safe and smart and it's all done right.

 

[Sureboss]

It costs, what? £35 for an unlimited day of runs down the Pod? You'll have a far nicer racing surface to race on too.

Actually, with 600bhp that Skyline would be great at digging holes.

 

[Stevisiov]

It costs, what? £35 for an unlimited day of runs down the Pod? You'll have a far nicer racing surface to race on too.

Actually, with 600bhp that Skyline would be great at digging holes.

A surface that is more like to break the transmission.

On the plus side its less likely to break your suspension.

 

[Sureboss]

They wouldn't be able to tell either way.

 

[Jondot]

I believe that if rally events/stages took place as commonly as street racing events the death count would likely be higher for the rally events but still these events are allowed even after a rally spec Impreza flips into a crowd of spectators killing a number of them but thihs is ok of course becuase it is legal?.

Yeah, but the difference lies in the choice factor. If you want to set yourself on fire, that's up to you. The chances are you won't hurt anyone else but yourself. When you go to spectate at a rally event, you have to understand that there's a chance (albeit a slim one) that something's going to come flying around the corner and decapitate you. If you don't want that to happen, you stay at home and watch the telly, put up some shelves, or pop down to Argos and play with the stock checker for the hell of it.

But what if I'm innocently driving along a 40-limit A road and someone racing a Fiesta ST crashes into me doing 90MPH? Say my wife (let's pretend I have a wife here) is in labour at 2AM and I need to get her to hospital. I shouldn't need to consider the chances that some Rice-driving, Currys-managing twazzock is going to cause me to have an accident. "Oooh, better have the baby at home love - It'd be silly to assume I won't hit a streetracer at this time in the morning".

 

[PAPPACLART]

Damn this thread was never meant to about Street Racing but has turned into a big debate.

I am not trying to justify Street Racing and nor am I saying that it is Ok and 100% acceptable. All my point is to Illustrate that from a legal perspective there is no difference between my idea of a safe street racer vs. the type of racer that you guys are talking about but that does not mean that there is not a difference between the two. If a group who must street race for what ever reasons they feel are justified, if they set out to take this activity as far away from the public as possible (excluding track days drag events) then I have less of a problem with them vs. the other extreme. It never makes it acceptable but it is an option that I and any member of the public would prefer rather than the alternative which would likely mean a bunch of tools driving around like lunatics on busy roads. Now of course in a perfect world everybody who wants to go fast would do it at the track but this is not the case, so people will always find the opportunity to go fast on public roads and that is just an unfortunate way things are so at least if you are one of these people, at least try to be as responsible as possible if you must do it on Public highway.

I personally am not a street racer in the traditional sense, but I have and still do exceed speed limits on the road. I have a healthy respect for the dangers and my self preservation but from time to time expose myself to danger as well as others. I am not proud of this so I make compromises. If I am out for a ride with friends, generally we take it to quite locations where the potential dangers to the public are limited but of course it will never be safe and yes I have had my lapses where I have been irresponsible on the road. I have not yet been to a track day, was going to go to Brands at the end of this month, but for me money is short so will have to give it a miss this time.

I can never win this debate, because you guys are correct from a legal perspective as well as holding the higher moral ground and again, my point is that there are many types of Street Racer some VERY irresponsible and some less So and I will leave it that that.

PS

Even on the Bike Safe Course, Police encrouge the riders to ride how they would alone or with there friends. Ricardo (with the ZX7R in the pics) reached 120mph on a public road while on a bike Safe Course supervised by Police Instructors. Police know that many of us break the limits, but would rather show us how how to make good progress safely, even if that means going faster than the advertised limit, just as the police are taught.

I understand that this is a public website, with many younger and impressionable users, and it is up to the contributors as well as the Mods and Admins not to promote illegal activities no matter how safe I or anybody else thinks that these activities are.

 

[McLaren]

Let me explain, my local dragstrip is 90 miles from my house - 180 mile round trip almost a full tank of fuel just to get there and back, then £25 to race all day - more fuel required + i use premium fuel as advised with the engine i'm running. Plus you would need food and anything else needed on a day trip.

So around £150 would be needed and sadly some people dont have £150 to blow on a day trip when they could maybe have a 9-5 job which they have to srape by paying for a house + car + maybe kids.

Just because someone chooses to dump all their spare cash into their pride and joy doesnt mean to say they have spare cash to throw away at a drag strip.

Oh boo hoo.

If it costs that much to go a track 1 day, then here's what you should have done. Take that 150 from what you were going to spend on the car and save it so you can take the car and see what it can really do.

Motorsport Ranch & Eagles Canyon Raceway are both 170 mile round trips for me. MSR costs $40 to run a half hour unless you become a monthly member for $90/month. ECR requires a $150 and we're talking about actual circuits. I won't include the outrageous price of gas at both these courses either....

And you know what? I still put money aside to go to these events because they prove to be much more fun than watching a street race. The only racing I've seen that's fun are highway rolls involving 3-4 cars in Mexico.

But you're case doesn't make you special. I have to do the same thing to go racing. Granted there are a few drag strips closer & cheaper, but I have no want to go racing for 15 seconds and wait 20 minutes to do it again for $15.

Even on the Bike Safe Course, Police encrouge the riders to ride how they would alone or with there friends. Ricardo (with the ZX7R in the pics) reached 120mph on a public road while on a bike Safe Course supervised by Police Instructors. Police know that many of us break the limits, but would rather show us how how to make good progress safely, even if that means going faster than the advertised limit, just as the police are taught.

No offense, but I see that as a very bad idea. That kind of instructing, allowing you to go 120Mph just to show you how to avoid an accident, would give most idiots the idea that, "Hey, we can 120mph! The police are here afterall, watching us!"

If a bike safety course wants to teach you how to avoid incidents at high speeds, go to a race track. They do the same thing on a closed course.

 

[nk4e]

Are you Chiba-kun!?

 

[PAPPACLART]

Oh boo hoo.






No offense, but I see that as a very bad idea. That kind of instructing, allowing you to go 120Mph just to show you how to avoid an accident, would give most idiots the idea that, "Hey, we can 120mph! The police are here afterall, watching us!"

If a bike safety course wants to teach you how to avoid incidents at high speeds, go to a race track. They do the same thing on a closed course.

BIKESAFE - http://www.bikesafe-london.co.uk/


Well it is not quite like that. While under the instruction of an officer, if your riding is deemed reckless then like any other situation you will be penalised but at the same time it can be deemed necessary and acceptable to break the speed limit if the road conditions and any prevailing situations requires/allows you to do so. Allot of my friends that have done Bikesafe courses have all exceeded the speed limits while under the instruction of the Police, though bare in Mind not in 30s or 40 limits but while on National maximum Speed limit flowing country roads.

On Bikesafe, police officers instruct and advise riders how to ride safely and what you are taught can be applied to any speed that you undertake to assist your safety and the others around you. Police are all too aware that bikers speed on there bikes, and the point of BikeSafe is to introduce defensive riding techniques that as I said can be applied at all speeds.

Although not official, one of the reasons why Police instructors will allow a rider to not necessarily stick strictly to speed limits is that he wants to observe a riders natural pace and ability/planning/road position etc, as if the pupil were riding on there own, this way an officer can best observe his pupils riding technique in-order to suggest possible actions to improve the pupils overall riding.

In the instance where Ricardo achieved 120mph, he was instructed to overtake a number of fast moving cars quickly and safley. Remember most normal cars would require a huge amount of distance and time to accelerate from 80mph to 120mph, but a modern high performance sports bike can do this in about 3-5 seconds.

 

[nk4e]

Keyword" BikeSafe" Not Street racing safe nor Car exceeding speed limits.

 

[PAPPACLART]

Keyword" BikeSafe" Not Street racing safe nor Car exceeding speed limits.

Sorry what is your point eactly and why am I the enemy?

Anyway....

The point of talking about Bikesafe was to illerstrate that there is a safe/appropriate speed for any given situation which is commonly agreed unoficially among many Police Car/Motorcycle Instruactors of which potentially could be applied to a bunch of guys on an empty road doing SS/QM tests vs one another at 2am.

Speed does not always = death as some would like to believe as there are many more variables to consider that influence any eventual outcome.

 

[Northstar]

I don't recall anyone saying speed=death. Things happen faster at 130mph than 65mph and normally the outcome will be worse at the higher rate of speed. This is why the Autobahn has strict rules because it's very dangerous to do stupid things at such a high rate of speed.

Speed=greater chance of crashing resulting in death.


^^^^^^^
That is what people believe and it's true.

 

[nk4e]

Sorry what is your point eactly and why am I the enemy?

Just trying to stay on topic, though it would seem to me that this thread is about " 600HP R34" to " Street Racing and accidents" then "Motorcycle safety"

 

[PAPPACLART]

I don't recall anyone saying speed=death. Things happen faster at 130mph than 65mph and normally the outcome will be worse at the higher rate of speed. This is why the Autobahn has strict rules because it's very dangerous to do stupid things at such a high rate of speed.

Speed=greater chance of crashing resulting in death.


^^^^^^^
That is what people believe and it's true.

Exponentially speed 'alone' does not increase the chance of crashing! If that were true than 550mph passenger planes would be falling out of the sky on a daily basis but they don't, because generally there is not much else to crash into up there other than the odd plane which are thankfully guided by some talented guys at ATC.

Now if you have speed than you add other variables like a constant radius turn that suddenly tightens then yes potentially at a particular speed, in a particular vehicle, with a particular person behind the wheel, then this combination may result in an accident. So Speed + many other variables some constant and some not all have an influence on the outcome not just the speed on it's own being the cause of the accident. It's kind of like saying, people kill people and not bullets.

So if we have what is seen as excessive speed, but take away many of the variables that can have potential significants in an accident, like obstacles, road furniture, pedestrians/road users etc and carry out this excessive speed on a straight clear road in good conditions, the speed now can be seen as appropriate based on the exclusion of certain variable/factors that could be the cause of an accident.

The higher the Speed will increase the serverity of any injury resulting from an accident caused my many road variables.

Just trying to stay on topic, though it would seem to me that this thread is about " 600HP R34" to " Street Racing and accidents" then "Motorcycle safety"

Well, the idea was for all of you to be happy for me having some seat time in a very fast Skyline, but that went out of the Window ! haha

Threads have a way of evolving...

 

[nk4e]

I am jealous, at least you get to sit in a Skyline. The nearest Skyline here is probably 4 hours away at Universal Studios.

 

[PAPPACLART]

I am jealous, at least you get to sit in a Skyline. The nearest Skyline here is probably 4 hours away at Universal Studios.

Well it would have been nice to drive it, though I do not have a car licence, just a motorcycle licence!

The only way I get to drive exotic cars is on GT! lol

 

[nk4e]

Wouldn't the Bike still beat a GTR?

 

[PAPPACLART]

Wouldn't the Bike still beat a GTR?

Well, if he has a real 600bhp, than My bike with a pro rider should be a little quicker to 100mph, but anything over that I would guess the Skyline be marginally quicker. I imagine we would need to go to a drag strip to find out The Kawasaki ZX7R in the pictures is probably a little slower than my bike on acceleration but will have a higher top speed.

I have ridden over 30 motorcycles, so they are not new to me, though I have only driven a 1.4 Ford Orion So I get excited over the prospect of experiencing a performance car.

 

[TsLeng]

That road shown in the pictures.....I know that place.

And no, it does not ONLY bring you to the Excel centre. There are roundabouts at the ends remember? In the middle are tracks for the Docklands Light Railway which runs parallel to the road.

And the disturbing thing is..... I sometimes use it late at night. When Im working nights or lates. So, please don't say nobody uses it. I know I do. I did on many occasions already and will do in the very near future too.

Last thing I want is some crazy idiot going too fast and causing me grief.

 

[Sureboss]

Ha! The DLR is in the middle of either carriageway, way to go in failing to mention that Pappa!

 

[Lucas]

Congratulations on posting pics. That's all I have to say.

BTW, street racing does suck.