Williams switch to Renault Engines

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For 2012 and 2013 Williams will have Renault Engines the BBC reports.
Williams think that Cosworth have shown they are not committed to making winning engines it seems.
 
It's been almost 20 years since Cosworth engines were really successful in F1 and that was Schumacher in Benetton.

I don't know why Williams decided to use Cosworth for the last two years.
 
I'm not getting too carried away with this. I think Williams are in dire straits, and a nostaligic engine deal isn't going to drag them out of their current predicament straight away.
 
For 2012 and 2013 Williams will have Renault Engines the BBC reports.
Williams think that Cosworth have shown they are not committed to making winning engines it seems.

It's been almost 20 years since Cosworth engines were really successful in F1 and that was Schumacher in Benetton.

I don't know why Williams decided to use Cosworth for the last two years.

I would have thought, maybe, just maybe, 11 years of sub-par Williams performance with 5 different engines would finally at some point make people realise that its not the engine that has been the main problem at this team. Apparently not.

There was nothing wrong with the Cosworth mechanically. Its weight, power, reliability and fuel consumption appear to be just as good as everyone elses (in fact there were rumours its one of the more powerful engines available). The only issue with Cosworth lately has been engine electronics and generally engine maps. But this is down to Cosworth being missing for 3 years in F1, money and time will eventually solve this issue.

The problem is a mixture of things:
1. Money, Williams simply don't have the budget to compete with the top teams these days.
2. Aerodynamics, they've really never replaced Adrian Newey properly and many believe that Williams stronger years 2000-2004 were more down to BMW power and that those cars were not the best they could be aero-design wise.
3. Strategy/Management, even when Williams have had a great car at some race weekends, they have bungled their strategies and made mistakes which have cost them potential wins, podiums and points.

I don't see Renault changing anything for Williams. What will change their fortunes is the major changes behind the scenes with Coughlan moving in and according to rumour - Colin Kolles. Sam Michael isn't the reason Williams have faded either though, he is a capable engineer/manager.

Its kind of sad for Cosworth (and Toyota and BMW) that when and if Williams do return to form, people will cite the Renault engine as the reason, when it couldn't be further from the truth.

If anyone wants direct proof that engines don't make a huge difference these days, look no further than the Lotus T127 and T128. Even with much more time and money spent on aerodynamics and two different engines, Lotus are still pretty much where they have always been (which is an achievement in itself in F1). The switch from Cosworth to Renault hasn't really made a huge difference for Lotus, which clearly demonstrates that aerodynamics are the bigger factor these days. It will be no different for Williams.
 
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Williams is probably attracted to the compact size and good fuel efficiency of the Renault engine, and maybe Renault, who were looking to expand their engine market, were the ones who offered their engines to Williams. And also because of the Cosworth's problems with very significant power loss over the engine's life, the Renault on the other hand probably the best engine on the grid at the moment in terms of reliability and how it holds up over its life.
 
Oh how times change, it was not 2 or 3 years ago (with the same engine!) that Red Bull were whining about the Renault being down on power and supposedly the "worst" engine in F1. I seem to remember them complaining saying that Toro Rosso were only out-performing them due to the Ferrari engine.
Now Red Bull are winning, its suddenly the best? When McLaren were winning (and Force India became a little stronger), suddenly people stated Mercedes was the best.

I think people are letting their imaginations run wild here, I don't think the differences between the engines are as big as people like to believe. Yes, even Honda and Toyota's engines were not that bad either. Not that I'm saying there aren't differences. For one thing, we don't know the exact fuel consumption rates and nor we do know the cost of each engine. But the difference isn't whole seconds of time that Williams need to find.
 
I wasn't saying nor implying that. I was just implying that the Renault engine may be better suited to Williams' wants.
 
I don't think that dipping into nostalgia is their reason, they just have a bad engine deal and want to get a better one.
 
I quite agree with Ardius. Williams aren't the best team in the world, but engines aren't their biggest problem.

Hell... even when Vettel won WDC, the Renault engine was noticeably weaker on the faster straights of the racetrack.
 
I think Williams sort of wants someone who knows a bit better what they're doing. Cosworth, not being in F1 for a while, have fallen back in engine development, and Willaims probably feels that they can do a bit better with an engine supplier with better experience. I'm not expecting a leap in performance, and I don't think Williams is either, but they need whatever they can get to bring them up the grid.
 
Might be a long-term decision, Renault could very well be the engine manufacturer to beat in the 2nd Turbo Era. If Cosworth step up their game though it could really bite them in the butt. There shouldn't be much difference in performance with current engine regulations though, which might have made the decision easier, possibly.
 
I was under the impression that the Mercedes engine was the most powerful engine on the grid currently. It's just that Adrian Newey has made the Red Bull chassis better.

Maybe this will turn out to be a good deal for Williams. They've been around too long to fade into obscurity.
 
I'm surprised teams are only catching on this now, Cosworth hasn't made a good F1 engine in over a decade and soon there probably won't even be one team using them.
 
I'm surprised teams are only catching on this now, Cosworth hasn't made a good F1 engine in over a decade and soon there probably won't even be one team using them.

Define "good". Because from everything I have read, no one inside F1 seems to think the engine itself is bad. There have always been other reasons why a Cosworth-powered car hasn't won a race in a while, and its nearly always down to the budgets of the teams that run them.
Power is clearly not a problem - Williams were still in the top 10 at Monza, arguably the best place for power. Clearly, aero was holding them back more than engine power otherwise this track would have been worse for them (they were top 10 territory all season).
Reliability is clearly not a problem - how many engine failures have Cosworth had lately? None at all, albeit almost no one has had anymore due to the rev limits.

The only problem I've ever read and continue to read with the Cossies is that the engine management (i.e. engine mapping) is not the best due to their 3 years missing from the sport. But this is something they presumably have and will improve on given time and money.

I don't see any evidence that the Cosworth is a bad engine or is significantly worse than any of the other 3 (or even Toyota or Hondas). Nor do I see any reason to think a Cosworth-powered car couldn't win a race or championship again given a top team to run them and a decent budget to fund the development.
 
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It is true engines are not so important, Luca di Montezemolo said on Monday that the cars performance was 90% Aero. So that leaves 10% divided between tyres and engine..
Something he is saying needs to be changed. Hopefully by the next agreement in 2013?
 
I was having an intelligent discussion with someone in the comments of Renault's Facebook page about this, and the comments got removed :mad:
 
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