Wondering why

[Nomino]

Im not sure how you dont see it as cheating. You are using the point system in a way to benefit yourself, when everybody else is using maximum PP. The benefit you gain is massive:

• You have a clean run into turn 1.
• You can take the racing line / the line you want.
• You dont have to give space to anyone as there is nobody around.
• You rarley have to defend from over cars.
• You have clean air.

I can keep adding. From starting to the rear or mid pack, you do have to worry about those things. You cant take your required line.

If you want to cheat, please dont take part in GTP Events.

Are you for real?! If somebody else is smart enough to strategically use the SAME points system available to all participants, and you can't handle it, that's your prerogative. Sacrificing a slightly underperforming car for track position is NOT cheating. I suppose by your same twisted logic, somebody having a car that's faster out of corners than yours is also cheating, right? Maybe everybody should have exactly the same car and all start side-by-side in a long row like in motocross? Still, you'd then be moaning about the guys closer to the racing line at the start...

Grow up eh?

 

[TofuStoreDrift]

Wow, I didn't think it was such a big deal. Have any of you actually tried it? It not as easy as you think. I have never start a race in first when I lowered my pp one point. Unfare advantage? How about from here on out, everybody use the same car, same tune, same pp, and see if the last place starter enjoys the race. That would be fair, right? By the way, don't worry about GTP events, its a rule GTP could enforce, just remember GTP has no jurisdiction outside their events. Besides, I don't have a GTP_tag so don't worry about me giving GTP a bad name. Edit, I didn't see Nomino's post but I agree with him

 

[Wardy 944]

This I excatly why I backed out of the thread, differences of opinion turn into arguments, arguments turn into slanging matches, slanging matches turn into members being warned/banned and the thread gets locked.

somebody just start a poll

Lowering PP is within the rules
Lowering PP well it's just not cricket

 

[Zathra5_]

If you want to cheat, please dont take part in GTP Events.

You really should be more careful in how you word your posts. It sure sounds like you are accusing me of cheating without ever proving that changing pp is cheating. So the group over at the North American Playstation forum are cheating by setting up their grids based on qualifying? A group which includes several GTP members. Should we scrap the system to make you feel better?

I follow the rules of any event that I enter. If that means running a specified pp level that's what I do. If the pp level is not specified then I will run whatever pp level I want to and won't get pissed off because someone decided to undercut me with their pp level. Changing your pp to get further on the grid is available to anyone.

 

[ASH32]

You really should be more careful in how you word your posts. It sure sounds like you are accusing me of cheating without ever proving that changing pp is cheating. So the group over at the North American Playstation forum are cheating by setting up their grids based on qualifying? A group which includes several GTP members. Should we scrap the system to make you feel better?

I follow the rules of any event that I enter. If that means running a specified pp level that's what I do. If the pp level is not specified then I will run whatever pp level I want to and won't get pissed off because someone decided to undercut me with their pp level. Changing your pp to get further on the grid is available to anyone.

So is punting and corner cutting, should we all do that aswell.
Lower pp should start at the back of the grid, there would be no arguments then.

 

[Hyper-Dan]

I have never start a race in first when I lowered my pp one point. Unfare advantage?

Probably because the other guys are running 1 less pp than you, I assure you if you are running 649pp, and the other 11 cars are @ 650, you WILL be pole.

its a rule GTP could enforce, just remember GTP has no jurisdiction outside their events. Besides, I don't have a GTP_tag so don't worry about me giving GTP a bad name. Edit, I didn't see Nomino's post but I agree with him

I think all GTP tagged drivers have more respect than to lower there pp to gain a good grid position. .

 

[Jack]

Are you for real?! If somebody else is smart enough to strategically use the SAME points system available to all participants, and you can't handle it, that's your prerogative. Sacrificing a slightly underperforming car for track position is NOT cheating. I suppose by your same twisted logic, somebody having a car that's faster out of corners than yours is also cheating, right? Maybe everybody should have exactly the same car and all start side-by-side in a long row like in motocross? Still, you'd then be moaning about the guys closer to the racing line at the start...

Grow up eh?

In fact I can handle it. It annoys me that someone is slower than the rest of the pack, so they result to lowering PP to start at the front. Why can you just take that slower car and use it to the maximum PP and see where you get. Instead of starting 1st and holding the whole pack up. Why should we be held up by a slower driver who wants to start 1st by lowering PP.

Its not called being smart. Its called taking an unfair advantage.

You really should be more careful in how you word your posts. It sure sounds like you are accusing me of cheating without ever proving that changing pp is cheating. So the group over at the North American Playstation forum are cheating by setting up their grids based on qualifying? A group which includes several GTP members. Should we scrap the system to make you feel better?

I follow the rules of any event that I enter. If that means running a specified pp level that's what I do. If the pp level is not specified then I will run whatever pp level I want to and won't get pissed off because someone decided to undercut me with their pp level. Changing your pp to get further on the grid is available to anyone.

No I shouldnt be more careful. I mean it excatly. If the race event says "use 649PP", then use 649PP. If its a 650PP event and your using 649, dont race. Why should that racer get ahead start on the grid when everyone else is using 650. They shouldnt. Leave it to the game to decided where you start. If your faster, you overtake. This has happened before. Didnt go down to well either

 

[TofuStoreDrift]

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So is punting and corner cutting, should we all do that aswell.
Lower pp should start at the back of the grid, there would be no arguments then.

The game has penalties for those sorts of things, but not for lower pp.

 

[Jack]

The game has penalties for those sorts of things, but not for lower pp.

So using the big run off areas on Fuji should be allowed?

You dont get a pen. for that, and that can give you a massive advantage.

 

[ASH32]

The game has penalties for those sorts of things, but not for lower pp.

Not in all cases it doesn't, you can definitely corner-cut and get away with it. I accept lowering pp to get a good grid position isn't cheating, it is however morally wrong, just like punting/blocking and cutting.

 

[arora]

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=111241

Someone could add this topic here 👍

 

[TofuStoreDrift]

So using the big run off areas on Fuji should be allowed?

You dont get a pen. for that, and that can give you a massive advantage.

Personnally, I've never seen anyone get an advantage, not to say it doesn't happen, but when I use the runoffs in time trial, I get a penalty. I'd figure it work the same. Edit seeing I'm the one causing most of the argument, I'll bow out of this thread. No hard feelings to anyone.

 

[Jack]

Personnally, I've never seen anyone get an advantage, not to say it doesn't happen, but when I use the runoffs in time trial, I get a penalty. I'd figure it work the same. Edit seeing I'm the one causing most of the argument, I'll bow out of this thread. No hard feelings to anyone.

We arent talking about TT's, we are talking about online races. TT's, your laptime becomes red and it doesnt count. Online you can use massive areas (eg the final corner), to get on the gas earlier, to aviod slipstream etc.

 

[Touring Mars]

I can see why this could be considered against the spirit of fair play, but in my opinion it should only be called cheating if the event organiser(s) specifically prohibit it... it's a rather unfortunate glitch in the game that this can happen at all, but presumably a simple rule would help clarify the situation...

That said, is it possible that a person's desired tune/set-up might prevent them for attaining the exact maximum PP level for a given race? I seem to recall the occasional car/set-up combo that didn't allow me to get to the exact maximum, but that would presumably look like I had chosen to do it purposefully in order to get a better grid position... in which case, it would be a little unfair to then stand accused of cheating?

 

[Hyper-Dan]

That said, is it possible that a person's desired tune/set-up might prevent them for attaining the exact maximum PP level for a given race? I seem to recall the occasional car/set-up combo that didn't allow me to get to the exact maximum, but that would presumably look like I had chosen to do it purposefully in order to get a better grid position... in which case, it would be a little unfair to then stand accused of cheating?

Of course, then thats a little different, but running one of the fastest cars, Ie, Tuned Clio, NSX, and dropping 1 pp, then that is clearly cheating, well in my eyes anyway. 👍

 

[dranddad]

Hy guys

I have been playing on High speed ring lately and it seems to always put me second to third from the last %99 of the time, it's driving me nuts.

If I get past the traffic I can usually turn lap times with the top drivers of the day, but it's hard to compete when you start behind %80 of the pack. Any one know why this could be??

I should get track position for being the ugliest driver in the car

 

[arora]

That said, is it possible that a person's desired tune/set-up might prevent them for attaining the exact maximum PP level for a given race?

that has happened to me because I like to drive odd ball cars however I can quickly tell if said car can keep up or not. If not I'll step aside and and just chase the pack.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

I wouldn't say turning up with lower PP is cheating either. It's perhaps against the spirit, as TM and ASH have said. The online events don't have any rules stating that you have to use the maximum PP. Until we have private rooms, I don't think it should be an issue.

 

[Wardy 944]

I wouldn't say turning up with lower PP is cheating either. It's perhaps against the spirit, as TM and ASH have said. The online events don't have any rules stating that you have to use the maximum PP. Until we have private rooms, I don't think it should be an issue.

Probably the most sensible reply i've read so far 👍

 

[Jay]

I also don't see it as cheating, while I also agree it is probably against the 'spirit' I frankly don't care if people lower their PP to get out in front. I find it interesting how low some people go to get pole.

I had a situation on race a while ago where I didn't realise I was one PP down because the weight bug (reverted back to 100% which equalled 599PP) and it appeared to another GTP member I did it on purpose, my good race felt wasted because of that.

 

[Sjaak]

When racing in times scheduled races like we do at the planet or any other GT forum it is common accepted that everybody races with the same PP.

(besides ofcourse a car which can't reach the max PP)

I can understand that for new members it is new information but in pal territory you see nobody with a GT_Tag or anybody with a bit of competition in their body lower the PP to get a better start position.

Lowering the PP is so 2008.

BTW good debate in this thread and a good timing to bring it in the open now.

 

[Zathra5_]

When racing in times scheduled races like we do at the planet or any other GT forum it is common accepted that everybody races with the same PP.

Accept (as I said) the group over at the playstation GT board who purposely assign pps to load the grid according to qualifying. It works very smoothly and can load everyone in the grid within one position of their qualifying position. Thus everyone is surrounded by racers who have similar qualifying times.

 

[Sjaak]

Accept (as I said) the group over at the playstation GT board who purposely assign pps to load the grid according to qualifying. It works very smoothly and can load everyone in the grid within one position of their qualifying position. Thus everyone is surrounded by racers who have similar qualifying times.

Ofcourse 👍

 

[MeAgainstYou]

I didnt say it was the fastest but most racers, who race online, pick the fastest car of the PP.

For example, back at Suzuka 750, a GTLM-Squad member pick the fastest car (a GTLM), put it to 749PP to start 1st and use to win. Having the track position and clear air gives a big advantage.

I can understand its annoying having to start near the back of the pack, but why do you need to cheat!? Something to prove? Enjoy the racing for what it is and prove yourself, if you feel the need, in offical competitions.

sorry guys but i couldnt resist to quote this one!

"Something to prove? Enjoy the racing for what it is and prove yourself, if you feel the need, in offical competitions." +1000000 👍

 

[Ren-Tec]

Are you for real?! If somebody else is smart enough to strategically use the SAME points system available to all participants, and you can't handle it, that's your prerogative. Sacrificing a slightly underperforming car for track position is NOT cheating. I suppose by your same twisted logic, somebody having a car that's faster out of corners than yours is also cheating, right? Maybe everybody should have exactly the same car and all start side-by-side in a long row like in motocross? Still, you'd then be moaning about the guys closer to the racing line at the start...

Grow up eh?

You calling Jack dum or something??? I tell you what Jack could beat alot of guys with 50pp points less than the rest but he doesn't. When private rooms comes along we won't have to worry eh