Would you rather pay 60 dollars for a new GT6, or DLCs for GT5?

[Redrkt]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this but if you follow the history of the GT series you will remember/notice that there have always been 2 versions of the game per console release (gt 1/2 PSone, gt3/4 PS2, and so far gt5 PS3).

 

[Ritterkreuz]

I'll buy the DLC that's actually worth it, in other words new cars, new tracks, new events, but I won't waste a dime on paint chips or anything like that. I'll also patiently await GT6 on the PS4, even if that means waiting until 2013, 2014, or even 2015.

 

[sinharvest24]

Lol@GT6 being released on Ps3. Ain't gonna happen.

GT5 already pushes the ps3 to it's limits and some of you want GT6 to be released on the Ps3? Well if it does happen i expect every single one of you to rant rant rant about it, cause it isn't going to surpass GT5 as much as you would like.

I'll vote for DLC for GT5 while working on GT6 for Ps4.


That way we'll have something to keep us occupied while we wait for GT6/Ps4.
I'm sure the Ps4 will have the requirements needed to make a simulator that will far surpass GT5 and all of us will be fanboys again.

If i had to put a timeline as to when GT6 will be released i'll probably say it'll be sometime between 2013-2014.

 

[plate88]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this but if you follow the history of the GT series you will remember/notice that there have always been 2 versions of the game per console release (gt 1/2 PSone, gt3/4 PS2, and so far gt5 PS3).

True, but that was before the days of PSN. I really don't think releasing GT6 on the ps3 is the best option. I think its been noted that GT5 is already pushing the limits of the ps3 in its current state.

 

[Eric W]

Keep GT5 alive for as long as possible because I don't even want to think about having to buy another console to play GT6. Personally, I hope that GT6 is another 4 or 5 years down the road because I'm sure the PS4 isn't going to be selling for $299 at launch.

 

[daus26]

Let me get this straight, GT5 is a game that can still be improved by a lot for some of you. Isn't that what GT6 is for? What I'm seeing is that you guys rather spend $60 dollars or more to upgrade GT5 (and buy GT6 WITH a new console), than to just buy a whole new experience that is GT6 on the PS3 for $60. I just don't see how DLC can improve GT5 that much.

We have to be aware what we're asking PD here. Most of you guys are suggesting that they make GT6 for the PS4, while supporting us with GT5 through DLC. That's hardcore multi-tasking, unless you guys just want GT6 to be a prettier, upscaled version (GT Vision/GT HD, which were both canceled). We also have to consider that we can only get so much tracks and cars. If PD were to give us every car and track they've already modeled by GT5 DLC, what else is there to look for in GT6? They'd be force to make something even more, which will eventually delay GT6's development time further.

True, but that was before the days of PSN. I really don't think releasing GT6 on the ps3 is the best option. I think its been noted that GT5 is already pushing the limits of the ps3 in its current state.

That doesn't mean there can't be a GT6 for the PS3. Just because it's a next step in the series, doesn't mean it has to revolutionize every single aspect. A totally new game concept design, added features, and game structure can go far in gaming. There has never been a game where all that is done by DLC.

 

[awr117]

I'd be extremely shocked if GT6 was released on the PS4. First, there has been no mention of a launch date for the PS4. Sony stated not long ago that technology has not improved enough to warrant a new console at this point. The PS4 is most likely 4 or 5 years away.

The base has been built with GT5. I am hoping for a release of GT6 on the PS3 with improvement.

DLC is nice. But i'll only buy DLC when it comes to new tracks. I do not care for paint chips or outfits. I'd consider the car pack if they added something cool. I have plenty of Skylines and Miatas and see no need to spend extra for even more of them.

 

[sumbrownkid]

^But we're already at a point now that the PS3's full potential is being reached.

Sony right now probably already has working prototypes of the next gen systems. The R&D departments of any major electronics corporation is never closed.

 

[awr117]

It has nothing to do with the PS3 being used to its potential.

 

[daus26]

^But we're already at a point now that the PS3's full potential is being reached.

Sony right now probably already has working prototypes of the next gen systems. The R&D departments of any major electronics corporation is never closed.

What do you want with GT6, that it'll require a PS4 to make it?

 

[HuskyGT]

Speaking of GT6, I don´t think that releasing it for PS3 doesn´t seem so farfetched. I´m sure they could make the best GT title, yet at the same time, it doesn´t need to be massive.

As for cars: They could take GT5´s list, get rid of the repetitive models (just getting rid of every Skyline, just leaving the classic ones, and one of each GTR leaves like 20 open slots for new cars for other manufacturers). Having a healthy 500 to 600 car list with no reps would feel way bigger than the current 1000 car list. Make them Premium, of course. Make sure that every manufacturer in the game has it´s most historic, and popular models from various categories. Make the effort to have RM´s for at least a couple of cars of each manufacturer. Bring back the "used wheel" option plus the ones that are already in the game. Focus on improving once and for all the selection of sound samples for each car (start by giving the guy in charge of the sound dept another job in the company, and getting a real car enthusiast/connoisseur to supervise the job. We don´t want more V8 cars sounding like a V6)

For carrer mode: Focusing on making an A-Spec as twice as big(they can if they get rid of B-Spec events) , making events more variate with more tracks (like in previous GT´s) and that they make sense. B-Spec is good actually, if they could somehow implement it like they did in GT4. Giving a less selfish prize system. They don´t need to give 100,000Cr for a race, but at least give us the option to erase the event progress, so we can do it again, and win the prize car haw many times as we want(this goes for everything). Let the player sell its car, no matter what type of car it is. This will give us that feeling of wanting to play the game again, just like previous titles. GT5 doesn´t give you that sense of satisfaction and accomplishment that previous titles did.

Miscelaneous: Add a couple of test tracks like the Complex string, Test Track (this one might come in the future) and why not: an opened version of the TGTT. That would add more fun factor to the game. Being able to run 1/4 against others in the TGTT main runway would be a blast! Adding more tracks with day and night cycle plus weather.

Graphics: Seriously, the game looks wonderful. Why make PD push the game to the limit in this aspect if there is no game right now that looks like GT5.

So there it is. To be honest, PD has enough material to make a new and improved GT title in less than 3 years for the PS3. Adding more stuff to GT5 is pointless, and time consuming for PD. Leaving GT6 for the PS4 means they have to do everything from scratch, which will probably leave us in the same or worst possition that we are in now with GT5. Releasing great new GT title for the PS3 with all the little things most ask for will have us playing for years, giving PD all the time they need to develop a future gen title.

So that´s why I go with the first option all the way.

 

[sumbrownkid]

What do you want with GT6, that it'll require a PS4 to make it?

Basically GT5 with a lot more ingredients added.

 

[awr117]

Basically GT5 with a lot more ingredients added.

Like new horns?

 

[occasionalracer]

What do you want with GT6, that it'll require a PS4 to make it?

Well of course, this is naturally what we want to see from GT6. Think about it, the system is maxed out, the PS3 is in it's 5th year of production, the prices for high end GPU's an processor technology has come down significantly in the PC/gadget world in the last 2 years, and also whole next gen video game industry is already being hinted and worked on by Sony and Microsoft. There's a thread in the console and gaming forum that I've just posted my opinion on this matter...

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=228811&page=2

I see that the biggest fear around here in regards to GT6 dropping on PS4 is "Oh my, but I would have to buy a whole new system, OMG, OMG, it's gonna cost sooo much". Well news flash : They will do this. Why? Because they can. A huge chunk of gamers these days are not kids and teens living with their parents, and are working and earning money, and I don't think they'll think twice about a few hundered $ for a hot new console. Also some of you guys act like 2 years is right around the corner. It's not, trust me in 2 years time you will feel like there should be a new Playstation. And also, it's not like PS3 support drops off the face of the earth, you'll be able to play GT5 online for at least a year, just look at how long the Prologue servers were alive for (up until last month).

I have no doubt that GT5 will not change what it is, or PD working on a GT6 for PS3. It makes absolutly no buisiness sense to release an entire new game, say next year, right before the next gen consoles, nor does does it make any sense on a game play level, it just can't be significantly better performance wise. Sure they could give the whole A-spec a facelift, but I think they want to leave it where it is, so people come to terms with GT5 being what it is, so there's actually an incentive in about 2 years for people to make the leap to the PS4. GT5 just needs some periodic DLC's, maybe exceeding $60, but not getting stupid with it, and obviously they have to draw a line somewhere anyway so that GT6 is worth it.

This is in my opinion the strategy PD/Sony wants to play... keep everyone "semi"-happy now, but build a huge new and irresistable GT6 for the new system.

Oh and Husky, you have waaayy to many wishes my friend. Just be happy with what we have, and try to have more fun online.

 

[daus26]

Well of course, this is naturally what we want to see from GT6. Think about it, the system is maxed out, the PS3 is in it's 5th year of production, the prices for high end GPU's an processor technology has come down significantly in the PC/gadget world in the last 2 years, and also whole next gen video game industry is already being hinted and worked on by Sony and Microsoft. There's a thread in the console and gaming forum that I've just posted my opinion on this matter...

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=228811&page=2

I see that the biggest fear around here in regards to GT6 dropping on PS4 is "Oh my, but I would have to buy a whole new system, OMG, OMG, it's gonna cost sooo much". Well news flash : They will do this. Why? Because they can. A huge chunk of gamers these days are not kids and teens living with their parents, and are working and earning money, and I don't think they'll think twice about a few hundered $ for a hot new console. Also some of you guys act like 2 years is right around the corner. It's not, trust me in 2 years time you will feel like there should be a new Playstation. And also, it's not like PS3 support drops off the face of the earth, you'll be able to play GT5 online for at least a year, just look at how long the Prologue servers were alive for (up until last month).

I have no doubt that GT5 will not change what it is, or PD working on a GT6 for PS3. It makes absolutly no buisiness sense to release an entire new game, say next year, right before the next gen consoles, nor does does it make any sense on a game play level, it just can't be significantly better performance wise. Sure they could give the whole A-spec a facelift, but I think they want to leave it where it is, so people come to terms with GT5 being what it is, so there's actually an incentive in about 2 years for people to make the leap to the PS4. GT5 just needs some periodic DLC's, maybe exceeding $60, but not getting stupid with it, and obviously they have to draw a line somewhere anyway so that GT6 is worth it.

This is in my opinion the strategy PD/Sony wants to play... keep everyone "semi"-happy now, but build a huge new and irresistable GT6 for the new system.

Oh and Husky, you have waaayy to many wishes my friend. Just be happy with what we have, and try to have more fun online.

I don't understand how you can quote me, and not really answer it. What do you mean by "this?" I'm aware of the hints of next gen developments as well, if you haven't read my OP.

I don't see how you can assume most gamers are adults either. There's absolutely no leverage on that fact. I can however agree, that even if gamers were living with parents, the parents who has the jobs, may eventually buy the PS4 for them. Then again, you say this like a few hundred extra bucks is pocket change, which isn't exactly true for a lot of people. Does it not make you wonder why the $50 drop for the ps3 was a big deal for a lot of people, and the company?

The drop of PS3's support never came into mind either. You're the first to bring that up. Infact, it would support the reason further that GT6 will be fine if it was released for the PS3. If we can play GT5 online, why not GT6? Also, of course GT5 will be GT5. That's irrelevant. The whole facelift we're talking about is GT6 and GT6 is not GT5. Whether it'd be GT6 for the PS3 or PS4, it should be significantly different in structure than GT5.

Your other point is mute too. Look at how GT2 improved from GT1. GT2 released a year before the PS2 as well, and it wasn't exactly a revolution performance wise, compared to its predecessor. Soon after the PS2's launch, PD was able to execute GT3, even if had only a few cars compared to GT2. Still people appreciated it. If the PS4's architecture is similar to the PS3, I believe PD can make the next GT for the PS4 as fast as they did with GT3 for the PS2, if they were to release GT6 just before the PS4 is to be launched. It doesn't have to involve pushing the PS4's limit, so this would make a lot of improvements to be made for the second GT in PS4's generation, most likely towards the end.

We can't live in a world where we can have everything either. Periodic DLCs support till GT6, as you said can only go so far. The more they give us, the more they'll have to make and save for the next GT, which translates to longer production times.

The way I just see it is that GT5 left enough room for GT6 to improve on it in terms of content and execution to be released in the same generation, and we don't need a revolution in physics, graphics, and whatnot because that's one aspect in GT5 that's good enough.

Basically, I'm just saying its possible. A lot of you seem to be dismissing it entirely.

 

[JrDarknes]

Gt5 dlc's unless Gt6 comes out on ps4

 

[frason]

I bought PS3 for GT5, if I need to buy PS4 for GT6, so be it.

 

[HuskyGT]

Oh and Husky, you have waaayy to many wishes my friend. Just be happy with what we have, and try to have more fun online.

Too many wishes? Come on, man! What I´m suggesting basically is just what the game should´ve been. I´m happy with it, yes. Could it be better? yes. I´m not asking for tons of content like many guys here usually do. If you read carefully, you´ll notice that what I´m asking for is already in the game. It just needs to be "reorganized" lets say. The only difficult thing would be the addition of more Premiums, I admit. The rest is already there.

And sorry. Playing online is not my idea of having fun... Finding decent people online who don´t talk trash, or have nothing but hot air on their little head is very, VERY difficult these days. I rather enjoy my game alone, thank you.

 

[occasionalracer]

I don't understand how you can quote me, and not really answer it. What do you mean by "this?" I'm aware of the hints of next gen developments as well, if you haven't read my OP.

I wasn't directly aiming all my views at you directly, I just quoted you because it's thread and it seemed like a good quote to start my post...

I don't see how you can assume most gamers are adults either. There's absolutely no leverage on that fact.

This is a completely logical and correct assumption.

I can however agree, that even if gamers were living with parents, the parents who has the jobs, may eventually buy the PS4 for them. Then again, you say this like a few hundred extra bucks is pocket change, which isn't exactly true for a lot of people. Does it not make you wonder why the $50 drop for the ps3 was a big deal for a lot of people, and the company?

Absolutely, I'm in no way trying to come across as if money doesn't mean anything. We saw how long it took for PS3 to pick up sales, due to it's price mostly. Those who bought it in 2006 made a personal decision to spend their money on it, while 80% of gamers continued playing PS2 or already bought the Xbox. My friend, it is like this all material things in life, either you are fortunate enough to be able to make the purchase, or you have to wait for a price drop or wait until you've saved enough money. The reason I said it like this, is because honestly, the cost of a console is nothing in comparison to life expenses. I am an extremely fair minded person in this regard, and have a lot of respect for those living in poorer regions of the world who can't even think about a PS3 or PS4 just because it's completely out of question.

The drop of PS3's support never came into mind either. You're the first to bring that up. Infact, it would support the reason further that GT6 will be fine if it was released for the PS3. If we can play GT5 online, why not GT6?

I brought it up because it seems this is easily forgotton, and there's no reason to panick. I have no doubt that from business view, releasing PS4 with THE top-selling game franshise in Sony's history, is the most brilliant move they could make. They are in the business to make money and a game like this (with huge numbers of "young adults") is the perfect way to get a strong start. Honestly, if they go the Prologue route on PS4, I will be out of words.... I believe GT5 is the Prologue for GT6.

Regarding the history of releases on the older consoles, I think it's all irrelevent, and if life has tought me anything, it's that changes will occur. All that was in SD time.

We can't live in a world where we can have everything either. Periodic DLCs support till GT6, as you said can only go so far. The more they give us, the more they'll have to make and save for the next GT, which translates to longer production times.

Like I said, they have to plan it out stratigically, so people are "forced" to buy the next console. I know, it seems cruel, but this is the exact same cycle we've seen over the last 20 years, nothing insanely unfair here. 7 years is normal, and check out PS2, it's still being sold after 10 years, that's amazing and I hope PS3 goes 10 as well.

The way I just see it is that GT5 left enough room for GT6 to improve on it in terms of content and execution to be released in the same generation, and we don't need a revolution in physics, graphics, and whatnot because that's one aspect in GT5 that's good enough.

Well, generally I agree with that, I'm still amazed with the whole HD gaming having grown up NES, but in 2 years I could see that even more stunning graphics and gameplay will be hard to pass up.

Basically, I'm just saying its possible. A lot of you seem to be dismissing it entirely.

Yes I am, and I would crap my pants if PD announce a GT6 for PS3. It would also back up the general rule in life "Expect the unexpected" at which point I would stare at a wall and hate myself for having been so certain with my theory.

 

[VQuick]

This first batch of DLC looks very impressive. I'd be in favor of one or two more batches just like it, then a GT6 for the PS3.

That said, this 'GT6' should at least pick up where GT5 Spec 2.0 is right now. Adding some of the GT4 content that didn't get carried over should be one of the primary concerns. A nice helping of all-new content is important too. This is a lot of work, and some outsourcing should definitely be considered. This title would be a fine send-off for the PS3.

PD then gets to use the PS4 and what will hopefully be much more powerful hardware to better handle what they would like to give us in the next generation of Gran Turismo.

 

[Exorcet]

I think at this point, it's clear that PD is unwilling or incapable of making GT5 reach its potential. DLC won't be enough.

The game needs some major physics improvements (no Spec 2 did not resolve everything), especially in light of Forza 4 which I can comfortably say seems to blow GT away in this department.

Of course, it would be great to get new physics now, but I doubt PD would because it would get complex with the already existing A-Spec events, Special events, and licenses. All the times would need to be reworked etc (though having A-Spec physics and Sim physics as separate options wouldn't hurt).

Another issue is GT5's broken gameplay. Like older games, GT Mode prevents you from jumping into the game until way down the line, but GT5 aggravated this issue with a pointless and ridiculous level system as well as a complete lack of events across the board and sectioning off 80% of cars which made then a pain to get.

GT6 should resolve all these issues. It needs to focus on two things:
-Physics
-Gameply

Physics
-Get a really good tire model, this should be the number one priority
-Make the aerodynamics work properly
-Add brake fade, and other missing things
-Rework mechanical damage, increase detail and realism
-Be more careful about collecting data for cars - make sure the data is right

Gameplay
-Online needs to be expanded greatly. The list of options should be huge. A room host should have total control over his room. Online also needs to be completely open - no unlocking cars or anything.
-Makes simulation mode the made mode. Like a true sim, it has no credits, unlocking, or progression. Only cars and tracks. The player calls all the shots. Online and Sim mode would be linked
-Included in expanded online and sim mode would be more real life racing options (flags, pit stop rules, etc)
-GT Mode should be included on the side to appease those who like the credits and unlock thing. Since Sim mode is so versatile, there is no need for Arcade mode and since Sim Mode is so simple to make, GT Mode content won't suffer.
-A car maker would be nice, or more in depth tuning. For example, dozens of wings for each car, unlimited (except by license and sim limitations) engine swaps, unlimited (except by license and sim limitations) drivetrain swaps, change wheel size, change fuel tank, turbo boost settings, ECU settings, displacement increase (player chooses the the final displacement, not just a single option like past GT games) etc.
-Graphics are no longer driving ridiculous ideas like premium cars. Drop the polygon count so that more get put into the game. Also, don't include millions of duplicate cars.

 

[RX-7_FD3S]

What do you want with GT6, that it'll require a PS4 to make it?

V sync active all the time
60 fps all the time.
Proper lightning when racing with time change but especially at night.
Proper lighting inside cockpit (see shift 2 on pc)
More people on racetrack (most races have at least 20 cars in real life)