WRX STi or BMW E36 M3

[Race Idiot]

Originally posted by Nightmage82
omg how i hate it when people pick apart posts like race idiot just did. you are the kind of people that make me (semi) think about every sentence i write.

Oh damn, sorry for making you think.

i wont offer you the same disgrace but i'll defend some of the things i said.

I don't see why you need to defend the things you said. Seeing as I haven't even taken a side yet.

what i meant about the imprezas and evos is that they don't have any particularly exquisite technology that provides constant power levels throughout the rev range allowing for amazing control in drifts or good exit speeds out of corners.

Let's just ignore the fact that the evo and impreza have variable diffs and the evo's also have active yaw control. I still doubt that there is that much difference in the quality of the cars handling. And how many people do you know look for a car that allows amazing control in drifts?

a turbo is just some extra power. if you have a 300hp NA and a 300hp turbo, the NA is gonna be a MUCH better, more exciting and easier to use engine.

True, but I think you've over exadurated a bit.

that's one of the reasons why a mclaren F1 could still smoke a 700hp supra around a track despite having less horsepower.

Again you compare completely different cars, well at least your consistent. Your comparing a track worthy supercar against a car that is mainly tuned for 1/4 mile. Also the Supras 2JZ-GTE I6 engine is not the best for track racing. If you look at the JGTC supras, they used to run a turbo I4 engine and I think now they use an N/A V8. So a tuned supra with a 2JZ-GTE is obviously not going to outdo a Mclaren F1 on the racetrack. Also the McLaren F1 has better weight distribution having a mid mounted engine, wheras the supra probably doesn't having a heavy engine at the front and a much lighter rear.

as for the 3 series shape being ordinary... perhaps. but the coupe version is different (im currently looking to buy one since i discovered it WAS actually different from the 4 door version). there are few of them around, and even fewer in good colours. eg black/purple.

Are you talking about a normal three series, or an M car. Aren't you a student? and you're only one year older than me?

and as for the skyline, NO ONE believes that a stock skyline has 280hp. its much closer to 350, and if u dont know why then go read some books.

so a 350hp AWD car is hardly an equal oponent to a 240hp FR car.

Originally posted by rollazn
actually around 328hp

Originally posted by ///M-Spec
Are we talking US Spec E36 M3 (~240 hp) or everywhere-else spec E36 M3 (~321 hp)?

I'm not comparing the US spec M3 to an R33. I'm comparing the EU spec M3 to a UK spec R33. And, I do know about the gentlemans agreement concerning Japanese BHP limitations.

So what book do you recommend I read?

 

[///M-Spec]

Originally posted by Klostrophobic
///M-Spec: How much did E36 M3s cost brand new? The only fair way to compare the STi and M3 is to compare them brand new. I assume the E36 was comparable in price to to current E46 M3, no?

The E36 M3 was first imported to the US for the 1995 MY. Sticker was around $36,900 if I remember right. By MY 1999, it had swelled to about $39,500.

No doubt the STi represents much more performance for the dollar than the E36 M3 if you were to compare them new to new. But such a discourse amounts to very little, IMO because there aren't any new E36 M3s left anymore. So from where I stand, the relevent question is, if I had 30k USD in my pocket, should I get a new STi or a used M3?

FYI for you folks following this original line of thinking in this thread: you could probably, if you looked around, find a 2001 E46 M3 for around 30k. This closes the performance gap for sure...


///M-Spec

 

[///M-Spec]

Originally posted by Race Idiot
Originally posted by ///M-Spec
Are we talking US Spec E36 M3 (~240 hp) or everywhere-else spec E36 M3 (~321 hp)?

Originally posted by Race Idiot
I'm not comparing the US spec M3 to an R33. I'm comparing the EU spec M3 to a UK spec R33. And, I do know about the gentlemans agreement concerning Japanese BHP limitations.

So what book do you recommend I read?

What are you talking about? Where did I mention a Skyline? What book?

EDIT: Oh, nevermind... I see you're using my comment for context in a separate argument...


///M-Spec

 

[Party for GT4]

Personally, I wouldn't buy either. But if I had a choice, I would get the Beemer. The reason is that in the UK, you don't get a chance to drive about 75% of the cars performance. Anything over 0-60mph=<6 seconds is partly unusable because you don't want to punch your car into slower traffic doing 65 to their 35mph. The Beemer has better ride comfort which is useful on motorways doing 300 mile stints. Try doing that in an STi an you'll have one hell of a sore ass. Besides the Beemer is rear-drive, so you can power oversteer easier.
Get a Schnitzer alloy door model and its just as fast as the E46.

 

[Drifting Thunda]

I would take an M3 over an STi because of RWD and style, the two essentials to any car IMO.

 

[Nightmage82]

Originally posted by Race Idiot
Let's just ignore the fact that the evo and impreza have variable diffs and the evo's also have active yaw control. I still doubt that there is that much difference in the quality of the cars handling. And how many people do you know look for a car that allows amazing control in drifts?

handling? was i talking about handling in that particular line? when i said rev range i was clearly referring to the engine!

True, but I think you've over exadurated a bit.

exactly what am i exaggerating? the fact that i wrote "much" in caps? or the fact that a 300hp NA is better than a 300hp turbo? and learn to spell!

Your comparing a track worthy supercar against a car that is mainly tuned for 1/4 mile. Also the Supras 2JZ-GTE I6 engine is not the best for track racing.

my comparing? what are you talking about? my point was to do with the engines, not the handling of the cars. the 'car' i chose was just a generic 700hp supra. i didn't mention anything about quater miles.

Are you talking about a normal three series, or an M car.

there is little difference between the look of a 3 series coupe and an M3. clearly there IS a difference but its not like with the lancer, and the evo's.

Aren't you a student?

yeah? so what?

and you're only one year older than me?

it really shows doesn't it...

I'm not comparing the US spec M3 to an R33. I'm comparing the EU spec M3 to a UK spec R33.

great, me too.

And, I do know about the gentlemans agreement concerning Japanese BHP limitations.

thats nice

So what book do you recommend I read?

the book about life, particularly the section that tells you how to chill out!

 

[Race Idiot]

Originally posted by Nightmage82
handling? was i talking about handling in that particular line? when i said rev range i was clearly referring to the engine!

Originally posted by Nightmage82
allowing for amazing control in drifts or good exit speeds out of corners.

Those two aspects that you mentioned are also related to the handling of a car.

exactly what am i exaggerating? the fact that i wrote "much" in caps? or the fact that a 300hp NA is better than a 300hp turbo? and learn to spell!

Yes i'm sorry I misspelled exaggeration, just put it down to me being partially dyslexic. I mean it's gotten better as i've grown older, but I still can't remember how to spell certain words. So I tend to rely on dictionaries and spellcheckers quite heavily. And i've already typed this out once wasting 45 mins of my time, because I tried to look up a word and then accidentally closed my ****ing browser with the post in it.

my comparing? what are you talking about? my point was to do with the engines, not the handling of the cars. the 'car' i chose was just a generic 700hp supra. i didn't mention anything about quater miles.

that's one of the reasons why a mclaren F1 could still smoke a 700hp supra around a track despite having less horsepower.

That sounds like a comparison to me, although I have missread that part of your post. You said the engine is one aspect of your comparison. Although it is still just like comparing apples to oranges, because the cars are so different. I mean if you picked two simmilar cars, one normally aspirated and the other one with forced induction, then made a simmilar comparison I would have no problems with that. I didn't need a stupid comparison to tell me that a Mclaren F1 is faster on the track than a 700bhp supra.

there is little difference between the look of a 3 series coupe and an M3. clearly there IS a difference but its not like with the lancer, and the evo's.

True, I mean when was the last time you saw a base spec Lancer? Allot of Mistu's current line up in the uk is pretty mediocre barring a few cars. The same can be said for Subarus base models to a lesser extent, but they are still outclassed by their competiton. Another good aspect of the M3 is that it can easily be turned into a sleeper.

From here on, I think you just couldn't be arsed. So you relied witty one liners. 👍

yeah? so what?

I may have missinterpreted this one, I assumed you were some rich kid trying to get his parents to buy him an M3. I'm mistaken on that point, i'm pretty much 100% sure of that.

it really shows doesn't it...

Yes, you are so much more mature than me. I bow down to you in awe.

great, me too.

To quote myself.

I bow down to you in awe.

thats nice

To quote myself again.

I bow down to you in awe.

the book about life, particularly the section that tells you how to chill out!

To quote myself for the third time.

I bow down to you in awe.

Mods: Feel free to give me a warning or edit/delete my post. I'm probably in violation of the aup somewhere.

 

[Klostrophobic]

I've got nothing to say other than that's an awesome exerpt from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy in your signature, Race Idiot.

I've just started reading it myself.

 

[miata13B]

Originally posted by Race Idiot
Those two aspects that you mentioned are also related to the handling of a car.



Yes i'm sorry I misspelled exaggeration, just put it down to me being partially dyslexic. I mean it's gotten better as i've grown older, but I still can't remember how to spell certain words. So I tend to rely on dictionaries and spellcheckers quite heavily. And i've already typed this out once wasting 45 mins of my time, because I tried to look up a word and then accidentally closed my ****ing browser with the post in it.





That sounds like a comparison to me, although I have missread that part of your post. You said the engine is one aspect of your comparison. Although it is still just like comparing apples to oranges, because the cars are so different. I mean if you picked two simmilar cars, one normally aspirated and the other one with forced induction, then made a simmilar comparison I would have no problems with that. I didn't need a stupid comparison to tell me that a Mclaren F1 is faster on the track than a 700bhp supra.



True, I mean when was the last time you saw a base spec Lancer? Allot of Mistu's current line up in the uk is pretty mediocre barring a few cars. The same can be said for Subarus base models to a lesser extent, but they are still outclassed by their competiton. Another good aspect of the M3 is that it can easily be turned into a sleeper.

From here on, I think you just couldn't be arsed. So you relied witty one liners. 👍



I may have missinterpreted this one, I assumed you were some rich kid trying to get his parents to buy him an M3. I'm mistaken on that point, i'm pretty much 100% sure of that.



Yes, you are so much more mature than me. I bow down to you in awe.



To quote myself.




To quote myself again.





To quote myself for the third time.






Mods: Feel free to give me a warning or edit/delete my post. I'm probably in violation of the aup somewhere.

I can only give you a hardy

Klos wait until you get to the part with the flower pot and the whale

 

[Race Idiot]

Originally posted by Klostrophobic
I've got nothing to say other than that's an awesome exerpt from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy in your signature, Race Idiot.

I've just started reading it myself.

The quote in my signature is mainly there to insult my crotch, because he is an Arsenal fan. It's also grabbed from the radio play script, i'm not sure if it's exactly the same in the books. I should buy the books again, I lost them a few years back.

If you like the HHGTTG series, you should try Dirk Gently's holistic detective service and the long dark teatime of the soul (which the title is a quote from one of the HHGTTG books I think).

Originally posted by miata13B

Klos wait until you get to the part with the flower pot and the whale

Ground! I think i'll call it ground! I wonder if it will be friends with me?

I love digging my own hole.

 

[miata13B]

Originally posted by Race Idiot

Ground! I think i'll call it ground! I wonder if it will be friends with me?

I love digging my own hole.

The only thought the Flower Pot had was "Oh Shiz!"

 

[Mike Rotch]

Originally posted by Race Idiot
The quote in my signature is mainly there to insult my crotch, because he is an Arsenal fan.

*looks at league table*

 

[Nightmage82]

Originally posted by Race Idiot
Those two aspects that you mentioned are also related to the handling of a car.



Yes i'm sorry I misspelled exaggeration, just put it down to me being partially dyslexic. I mean it's gotten better as i've grown older, but I still can't remember how to spell certain words. So I tend to rely on dictionaries and spellcheckers quite heavily. And i've already typed this out once wasting 45 mins of my time, because I tried to look up a word and then accidentally closed my ****ing browser with the post in it.





That sounds like a comparison to me, although I have missread that part of your post. You said the engine is one aspect of your comparison. Although it is still just like comparing apples to oranges, because the cars are so different. I mean if you picked two simmilar cars, one normally aspirated and the other one with forced induction, then made a simmilar comparison I would have no problems with that. I didn't need a stupid comparison to tell me that a Mclaren F1 is faster on the track than a 700bhp supra.



True, I mean when was the last time you saw a base spec Lancer? Allot of Mistu's current line up in the uk is pretty mediocre barring a few cars. The same can be said for Subarus base models to a lesser extent, but they are still outclassed by their competiton. Another good aspect of the M3 is that it can easily be turned into a sleeper.

From here on, I think you just couldn't be arsed. So you relied witty one liners. 👍



I may have missinterpreted this one, I assumed you were some rich kid trying to get his parents to buy him an M3. I'm mistaken on that point, i'm pretty much 100% sure of that.



Yes, you are so much more mature than me. I bow down to you in awe.



To quote myself.




To quote myself again.





To quote myself for the third time.






Mods: Feel free to give me a warning or edit/delete my post. I'm probably in violation of the aup somewhere.