WTF is up with the understeer

  • Thread starter Thread starter kwkouki
  • 35 comments
  • 2,633 views
Messages
32
I hope this isnt a repost, I seached but found nothing

What have people been doing to get rid of the HORRIBLE understeer. Seems like I cant turn in the car at all. And with the touchy new buttons, I lock up my brakes almost everytime.

I am using DS2 btw, always have been, and will remain a DS2 drifter
 
The reason your understeering is because your hypothetically steering the wheel too fast. you have to learn to be steady with the joystick. Once you have mastered this you have to lean to counter-steer effeciently as well.
 
I'm assuming all aids are off. But I don't have it yet so I don't know how it feels :dunce:
All from experience. :P
 
Yeah, I've been having this problem too, trying to get the evos to drift. Hopefully I can figure out how to fix this sometime tomorrow.
 
When you are racing (not drifting) with higher horsepower cars, one way to get rid of understeer is to use racing soft tires preferably r3-r5's. that should solve the problem.

When you are drifting with AWD cars, i found it useful to set asm oversteer to 0 and asm understeer to around 15-18 with n3 tires. it's all practice from there.
 
I was sorta playing with the front and rear weight distribution but the Focus RS has been the hardest to correct... it's got some awful traction problems other than understeer. The Viper isn't right either but I got it pretty neutral so it's a decent handling car now. :lol:👍
 
ForcedInduction
When you are drifting with AWD cars, i found it useful to set asm oversteer to 0 and asm understeer to around 15-18 with n3 tires. it's all practice from there.

I've been trying to figure that stuff out.. we've got two ASM's now.. hehe.

So turning up the Understeer ASM actually helps the car to oversteer? The more I drive the game, the more I realize that most of the cars do have a bad understeer problem, even the powerful RWD cars.

It also explains why I was able to get more slide out of an Evo with aids on than I could with aids off.. hm. I guess some fiddling is in order. I'm not a bid drifter, but my main method of driving RWD cars is carefully-controller oversteer and powerslides.. which I simply haven't been able to do so far in GT4. Maybe that pig of a Ford GT will loosen up a bit if I tweak it some more.. hehe.
 
all you people using aids...
~TankSpanker shakes his head in dismay and disbelief~

If you get the suspension and LSD done up the right way you can most likely remove it. The trick is in the bound and rebound and knowing a thing or two about weight transfer issues.

Also, realize that speed has something to do with it..... Tires can only grip so much, and then they....dont. :crazy:

---------

edit: and to the guy above me. Turning up the ASM understeer does not increase oversteer. It just gives the impression that it does - its more of a secondary effect than a primary effect. The game is doing everything within its power to prevent you from noticing any understeer, all it lets you experience is the oversteer.
What you've basically done is taken what I would consider an above average sim game with a decently realistic physics engine and made it an arcade game. :yuck:

I would stay away from the whole big sticky spiel and just learn some car control and a bit of suspension doo-jiggery, but hey thats just me speaking
(thats directed at everyone btw)
 
TankSpanker
If you get the suspension and LSD done up the right way you can most likely remove it. The trick is in the bound and rebound and knowing a thing or two about weight transfer issues.

Actually I forgot about the LSD, I'll give that a go but I'd rather stick with that and the weight distribution if poss.
 
The main issue with the understeer is created by how tires work.

As someone said earlier, turning the "wheel" too rapidly causes the tires to snap lose, and then you face massive understeer. In real life, you don't notice this cause you can't crank the steering wheel to full lock as fast as you can with the analog stick. To resolve understeer, you must be gradual in the turn in.

I noticed rapidly, as I was still use to the slop in the GT3 steering input. Compenstatiing for this is taking time, and making want a DFP, but I don't really have the money at the moment :(

Finally, turning under full braking is nearly impossible now, as the game simulates tire lock up from over using them. This is another improvement in the simulation from GT3. I think many of us are use to turning in while under full braking to induce over steer. If you can control your braking force, then you can use this technique, as you can prevent overuse of the tires.

Mostly, it just comes down to being smoother and more gradual with the inputs.
 
TankSpanker: The only reason I brought it up is because many of the cars have zero oversteer. The only car I've found that actually oversteers is the Shelby Cobra. I've driven many other cars, aids off, economy tires, and I simply cannot get the back end to break loose. In theory, it's not that hard.. you twitch the wheel and give it some gas, and the back end goes. But not in GT4. I'm not even talking about exhibition drifting, I'm just talking normal powerslides. They were a dime a dozen in GT1-3, but they're damn near impossible in GT4.

When people were first complaining about the understeer, I said the same thing you said: Learn some car control. But the further I get into the game, starting to drive the high-powered RWD cars... all the cars that should oversteer just don't. I've lost several races just because I have to slow down to a crawl to go 'round a corner.
 
TankSpanker
all you people using aids...
~TankSpanker shakes his head in dismay and disbelief~

If you get the suspension and LSD done up the right way you can most likely remove it. The trick is in the bound and rebound and knowing a thing or two about weight transfer issues.

Also, realize that speed has something to do with it..... Tires can only grip so much, and then they....dont. :crazy:

---------

edit: and to the guy above me. Turning up the ASM understeer does not increase oversteer. It just gives the impression that it does - its more of a secondary effect than a primary effect. The game is doing everything within its power to prevent you from noticing any understeer, all it lets you experience is the oversteer.
What you've basically done is taken what I would consider an above average sim game with a decently realistic physics engine and made it an arcade game. :yuck:

I would stay away from the whole big sticky spiel and just learn some car control and a bit of suspension doo-jiggery, but hey thats just me speaking
(thats directed at everyone btw)

that may be the case for RWD vehicles, but for AWD, it's a completely different storry.
 
Funny Jedi... as I was drifting an AW11 MR2 with just suspension (Basic) and about 145 HP on Economy tires no problem. And it wasn't from massive amounts of power. Perhaps you should look at your LSD settings...
 
TankSpanker
all you people using aids...
~TankSpanker shakes his head in dismay and disbelief~

If you get the suspension and LSD done up the right way you can most likely remove it. The trick is in the bound and rebound and knowing a thing or two about weight transfer issues.

Also, realize that speed has something to do with it..... Tires can only grip so much, and then they....dont. :crazy:

---------

edit: and to the guy above me. Turning up the ASM understeer does not increase oversteer. It just gives the impression that it does - its more of a secondary effect than a primary effect. The game is doing everything within its power to prevent you from noticing any understeer, all it lets you experience is the oversteer.
What you've basically done is taken what I would consider an above average sim game with a decently realistic physics engine and made it an arcade game. :yuck:

I would stay away from the whole big sticky spiel and just learn some car control and a bit of suspension doo-jiggery, but hey thats just me speaking
(thats directed at everyone btw)

I agree. ASM is a big no no for me.
 
Okay, got a chance to mess with the settings on an evo VI a little bit today. I lowered the LSD, set it a bit lower in the front, and used that new weight balance, set it a little bit towards the back. That pretty much took care of the understeer, and got it to drift pretty good.....although i didn't get to try drive it too much after that. :grumpy:
 
After practicing for 3 hours on the gymkhana course with the s13 silvia....

The understeer issue makes me want to stab myself.

If I went out and drove 55 mph and whipped the steering wheel to the side, I can guarantee the car sure as hell isn't gonna just plow straight ahead! Especially in a RWD car! :ouch:

I dont' know who mentioned the steering wheel issue (thats its too small) but I really think thats it.
 
Have you guys driven cars at all? Have you driven then fast? If you're going 40mph and turn the wheel in one direction as fast as your can, your car is going to understeer. That is what's happening here. You push left or right, and the car moves it's wheels all the way in that direction, and then bam, understeer.

Solution?

Driving Force Pro
 
battle_stage
Have you guys driven cars at all? Have you driven then fast? If you're going 40mph and turn the wheel in one direction as fast as your can

In a RWD car your most likely gonna spin out. Especially on crap tires and no rear traction.
 
I've found I can get rid of understeer on most cars just by playing with the rear toe setting.

I also played with economy tires today for the first time, WOW, what a difference not only is it easier to get initial breakaway, it's SO much more controllable.
 
battle_stage
If you turn the wheels as fast as possible they will break traction and you'll get massive understeer.

And that goes for just about all drivetrains. That's why I don't understand why everyone is so suprised.

You overload the traction potential of the front tires and you understeer. Period.
 
JaeTea
After practicing for 3 hours on the gymkhana course with the s13 silvia....

The understeer issue makes me want to stab myself.

If I went out and drove 55 mph and whipped the steering wheel to the side, I can guarantee the car sure as hell isn't gonna just plow straight ahead! Especially in a RWD car! :ouch:

I dont' know who mentioned the steering wheel issue (thats its too small) but I really think thats it.
how do you expect to get any turning grip with your wheels sideways?if you're going 55 and scrank the wheel to full lock the car will msot likely just keep going straight
 
hooyeah
if you're going 55 and scrank the wheel to full lock the car will msot likely just keep going straight

NOT full lock.

Just turn in to initiate oversteer. If the rears have less traction the car will oversteer.

Maybe I'm not explaining myself correctly.

It would be like feinting except with the right set up you really dont' need to feint to one side to break traction. Its all weight transfer.
 
JaeTea
NOT full lock.

Just turn in to initiate oversteer.

Maybe I'm not explaining myself correctly.

It would be like feinting except with the right set up you really dont' need to feint to one side to break traction.
i found that if i let off the gas turn the wheels then mash it the back end will snap out nicely...
 
hooyeah
i found that if i let off the gas turn the wheels then mash it the back end will snap out nicely...

YES you have to be off throttle before turn in! I thought everyone assumed that.

Sorry for not being clear. :dunce:
 
Back