X2010/2011 and F1

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yumadbroski
If you gave a Formula 1 team unlimited funds and no restrictions, you think these cars can ever be built or are they just not physically possible?

I just notice F1 putting restrictions on cars almost every year with hopes of making the sport safer and possibly slowing the cars down but (sometimes) they are still lapping faster then previous years.

Do you ever wonder how fast any given team can be with no restrictions and funds readily available?
 
yumadbroski
If you gave a Formula 1 team unlimited funds and no restrictions, you think these cars can ever be built or are they just not physically possible?

I just notice F1 putting restrictions on cars almost every year with hopes of making the sport safer and possibly slowing the cars down but (sometimes) they are still lapping faster then previous years.

Do you ever wonder how fast any given team can be with no restrictions and funds readily available?
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I'm sure i heard that the lateral g of the x2011 would cause damage to your organs so no
 
True, just imagine what Formula 1 would be without restrictions.

All the HP they want, all the aerodynamics they can add, all the computers and aids they can configure, driver ejection seat, maybe even a robot driver ... lol
 
veyron motor would be too heavy, i am sure they can develop a lighter boosted v6 or v8 hybrid of some sort and make the same if not more power

Remember in the 80' they had turbo 4 cylinder motors making well over 1,000 hp
 
I dont think it would be as bad as you all think. Its not all about the power/Engine aspect of things.

Because you have to remember that the bigger the engine, the heavier it is. Im sure they would go with a V10. Probably using a Fan system (like the x2011) and genrally focusing on Aero and downforce. The engine having 1000 BHP is all well an good, but you have to remember that the car with 800 BHP and a great Aero package would win.

Just as an example, try putting up the MP4/4 (First carbon fibre McLaren/F1 car) against the 2011 Red Bull RB7. The RB7 is massively out powered, but is much better at cornering.
 
If F1 racing had no restrictions, there would be cars much like the X2010/X2011
As for massive amounts of G-Force generated by turning at such high speeds, they'll probably have Anti-G suits much like fighter pilots in order to a) make sure they don't black-out and b) protect their organs.
 
yumadbroski
maybe even a robot driver ... lol
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On this note, I would say high-end remote controls, able to survive 5+Gs, in order for drivers to be able to still pilot their machines.

If radio controls were able to be matched to a wheel of some sort, and could match the responsiveness of an actual driver, then I would see cars like the X2010/X2011 being capable of at least being built and driven. That means, however, that no person can physically be present within such a vehicle , nor drive the car to it's limit.
 
machate-man
On this note, I would say high-end remote controls, able to survive 5+Gs, in order for drivers to be able to still pilot their machines.

If radio controls were able to be matched to a wheel of some sort, and could match the responsiveness of an actual driver, then I would see cars like the X2010/X2011 being capable of at least being built and driven. That means, however, that no person can physically be present within such a vehicle , nor drive the car to it's limit.
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Playing gran turismo in an actual race!!

The g's that the x1 pulls are reletively safe with the right equipment and training
 
The Gforces shouldnt be a problem, I would think they could use the G Suits that jet pilots use, there is still the issue of driver strength and responsiveness, but with the right training it is entirely possible.
 
Aaronrray
Playing gran turismo in an actual race!!

The g's that the x1 pulls are reletively safe with the right equipment and training
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8+ Gs is relatively safe? Mmmmmkay. And stop pulling so-called "facts" out of your toilet. The car isn't real, so how would you know?
HxC Healy
The Gforces shouldnt be a problem, I would think they could use the G Suits that jet pilots use, there is still the issue of driver strength and responsiveness, but with the right training it is entirely possible.
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G-force suits wouldn't work. The G forces the X2011 generates when turning are horizontal, not vertical; vertical Gs make you heavier, and the blood is moved out of the brain and pressed into the legs because the heart isn't strong enough to keep it in the upper part of the body, when the brain loses blood, it can't fuction properly, causing grayouts, tunnel vision, blackouts, loss of consciousness, and finally DEATH. I've grayed out before riding this, on the 180 degree high-speed turn after the lift hill. (It's scary and cool at the same time.) G-force suits squeeze the pilot's legs, forcing the blood back up into the brain, but it wouldn't work in a car because the Gs are going sideways, not down.
 
Nismo34
8g is relativly safe, considering the human body can actually withstand nearer to 20g's...
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Yeah, 20 Gs for a second or two, any more and you're dead. You can experience 100+ Gs in a car crash, but that's for a few hundredths of a second. 8 horizontal Gs for 10 seconds, without graying/blacking out or passing out? Nooope.
 
ParkourVeyron
8+ Gs is relatively safe? Mmmmmkay. And stop pulling so-called "facts" out of your toilet. The car isn't real, so how would you know?

G-force suits wouldn't work. The G forces the X2011 generates when turning are horizontal, not vertical; vertical Gs make you heavier, and the blood is moved out of the brain and pressed into the legs because the heart isn't strong enough to keep it in the upper part of the body, when the brain loses blood, it can't fuction properly, causing grayouts, tunnel vision, blackouts, loss of consciousness, and finally DEATH. I've grayed out before riding this, on the 180 degree high-speed turn after the lift hill.
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Thank you for enlightening me on one of the most accidentally hilarious persons I have ever seen.
 
machate-man
On this note, I would say high-end remote controls, able to survive 5+Gs, in order for drivers to be able to still pilot their machines.

If radio controls were able to be matched to a wheel of some sort, and could match the responsiveness of an actual driver, then I would see cars like the X2010/X2011 being capable of at least being built and driven. That means, however, that no person can physically be present within such a vehicle , nor drive the car to it's limit.
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Aaronrray
Playing gran turismo in an actual race!!

The g's that the x1 pulls are reletively safe with the right equipment and training
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Interestingly, i recently saw an episode of "Prototype This" that basically set a Thrustmaster Ferrari wheel up to drive real cars in a demolition derby. Unbelievable science, which with F1 team funds could be an option sometime in the future....



Interested in watching the whole episode (it's worth it)
Part 1
Part 2
Skip to about 9.30 ;)
 
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squirlybmx
Thank you for enlightening me on one of the most accidentally hilarious persons I have ever seen.
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I did it for the first part, but the guy is hilarious, but not near as funny as this guy: (No audio, but he mouths a bad word at the end, so SEMI-LANGUAGE WARNING)
 
yumadbroski
True, just imagine what Formula 1 would be without restrictions.

All the HP they want, all the aerodynamics they can add, all the computers and aids they can configure, driver ejection seat, maybe even a robot driver ... lol
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Er thats what the X2010 is supposed to be.
 
witham
I'm sure i heard that the lateral g of the x2011 would cause damage to your organs so no
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And how to people fly jets then? :dunce:
It's confirmed that human body can sustain up to 40G and stay functional (undamaged) so don't talk crap when obviously you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
And on-topic - no, people would die and noone would be able to drive them.
But it would be possible to build, of course.
 
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Energizerrr
And how to people fly jets then? :dunce:
It's confirmed that human body can sustain up to 40G and stay functional (undamaged) so don't talk crap when obviously you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
And on-topic - no, people would die and noone would be able to drive them.
But it would be possible to build, of course.
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Not with 300 km/h straight into a corner. Would even be impossible because it would stall.
 
Energizerrr
And how to people fly jets then? :dunce:
It's confirmed that human body can sustain up to 40G and stay functional (undamaged) so don't talk crap when obviously you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
And on-topic - no, people would die and noone would be able to drive them.
But it would be possible to build, of course.
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Who's talking crap now. People can fly jets because of a little ingenious invention called the G-suit. It prevents all your blood from you toes joining the blood in your brain causing a red out or the blood in your brain joing the blood in your toes causing a black out. The g forces in the X2010/2011 are horizontal g's meaing your lungs will switch places. A G-suit cant stop this. Yes, 40g maybe can be survivable, but not for an hour with the force going back and forth across your body. A G-suit cannot prevent this. Got it?
 
Energizerrr
And how to people fly jets then? :dunce:
It's confirmed that human body can sustain up to 40G and stay functional (undamaged) so don't talk crap when obviously you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
And on-topic - no, people would die and noone would be able to drive them.
But it would be possible to build, of course.
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I'll just quote myself, since it's the only reasonable option.
 
I believe that the car could be built. The car was engineered to be that fast so I think it's very possible to build a car with the same specs as the X2010. The only problem I see with the car are the tires (I don't know if it's possible to create some kind of compound that can withstand all the forces the car produces) and of course the lateral G's. But as long as this car is not built in the real world I don't think we'll see a solution to these problems very soon. So is the car plausible? In my opinion yes. Would it be driveable or as fast as the one in the game? At least not in the near future.
 
ParkourVeyron
8+ Gs is relatively safe? Mmmmmkay. And stop pulling so-called "facts" out of your toilet. The car isn't real, so how would you know?

G-force suits wouldn't work. The G forces the X2011 generates when turning are horizontal, not vertical; vertical Gs make you heavier, and the blood is moved out of the brain and pressed into the legs because the heart isn't strong enough to keep it in the upper part of the body, when the brain loses blood, it can't fuction properly, causing grayouts, tunnel vision, blackouts, loss of consciousness, and finally DEATH. I've grayed out before riding this, on the 180 degree high-speed turn after the lift hill. (It's scary and cool at the same time.) G-force suits squeeze the pilot's legs, forcing the blood back up into the brain, but it wouldn't work in a car because the Gs are going sideways, not down.
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ParkourVeyron
Yeah, 20 Gs for a second or two, any more and you're dead. You can experience 100+ Gs in a car crash, but that's for a few hundredths of a second. 8 horizontal Gs for 10 seconds, without graying/blacking out or passing out? Nooope.
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Energizerrr
And how to people fly jets then? :dunce:
It's confirmed that human body can sustain up to 40G and stay functional (undamaged) so don't talk crap when obviously you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
And on-topic - no, people would die and noone would be able to drive them.
But it would be possible to build, of course.
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The blue quote is based with real facts.
The red quote is based on assumptions made with real facts, tweaked so it fit's your opinion.

Horizontal Gs (Left-Right and Acceleration-Deceleration on a flat surface) have signifigantly more of an effect than Vertical Gs (Up-Down Up being away from earth, down being towards). Although the body can likely withstand 6+ G, it wouldn't be able to function in a way to control a vehicle. All of the blood goes to your feet or to your head in a vertical 10+ G pull, where it can still be pumped. However, in a Horizontal 10G pull, the blood is pulled in the direction opposite that the car is going, which happens to immobilise the blood being pumped, hence ParkourVeyron's Grey-out. This would guarantee a blackout in a real 10G situation, with exposure of more than 10 seconds, or about 1/2 a lap of the Nurburgring GP course.
 
G forces shouldn't be the major issue to be considered when shaping formula 1.
30 years ago teams must have thought the same when thinking about current formula1's g forces, and that's just the 80s.
Something will be developed, or a rather unknown device will start being used massively. A specialized professional opinion would be awesome.

I'm not saying that it should go up to the performance of the x2010 right now, but it can go higher.


Also current f1 cars should be able to go faster than 400 km/h if the wheels are covered, and even higher if aerodynamics parts aren't restricted.

What saddens me is that f1 is not the top category in motorsports in every single aspect, only because of considering safety a lot more than what it should be. This includes tracks as well.
 
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machate-man







The blue quote is based with real facts.
The red quote is based on assumptions made with real facts, tweaked so it fit's your opinion.

Horizontal Gs (Left-Right and Acceleration-Deceleration on a flat surface) have signifigantly more of an effect than Vertical Gs (Up-Down Up being away from earth, down being towards). Although the body can likely withstand 6+ G, it wouldn't be able to function in a way to control a vehicle. All of the blood goes to your feet or to your head in a vertical 10+ G pull, where it can still be pumped. However, in a Horizontal 10G pull, the blood is pulled in the direction opposite that the car is going, which happens to immobilise the blood being pumped, hence ParkourVeyron's Grey-out. This would guarantee a blackout in a real 10G situation, with exposure of more than 10 seconds, or about 1/2 a lap of the Nurburgring GP course.
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tl;dr

People are driving F1, flying jets and been to the Moon - and now people say human body can't function at 6G?
Oh internet...
 

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