X2010/2011 and F1

[interpunct]

It can be done somehow.

And the X2011 is what F1 would be without any restrictions. That's one of the first thing Sebastian Vettel says when on the introductory video of the Red Bull Challenge.

 

[dr_slump]

tl;dr

People are driving F1, flying jets and been to the Moon - and now people say human body can't function at 6G?
Oh internet...

6G? It's all a matter of time. For short, yes. For long, no.....

 

[Nismo34]

tl;dr

People are driving F1, flying jets and been to the Moon - and now people say human body can't function at 6G?
Oh internet...

Jeez you're arrogant. People coming up with actual facts that go against what you think and you dont like it.
Oh internet...

 

[CarBastard]

It's not a case of involuntary manslaughter when bravery takes part.

But yeah, that thing would be a widow-maker. Physically imposible for a human body under normal conditions to endure more than one or two laps.

 

[jtv90069]

The turning force at low speeds (below 70 to about 100 km/h) mostly comes from the so-called mechanical grip of the tyres themselves. At such low speeds the car can turn at 2.0 g. At 210 km/h (130 mph) already the lateral force is 3.0 g, as evidenced by the famous esses (turns 3 and 4) at the Suzuka circuit. Higher-speed corners such as Blanchimont (Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps) and Copse (Silverstone Circuit) are taken at above 5.0 g, and 6.0 g has been recorded at Suzuka's 130-R corner.[18] This contrasts with 1 g for the Enzo Ferrari, one of the best racing sports cars.

The large downforce allows an F1 car to corner at amazing speeds. As an example of the extreme cornering speeds; the Blanchimont and Eau Rouge corners at Spa-Francorchamps are taken flat-out at above 300 km/h (190 mph), whereas the race-spec touring cars can only do so at 150–160 km/h (note that lateral force increases with the square of the speed). A newer and perhaps even more extreme example is the Turn 8 at the Istanbul Park circuit, a 190° relatively tight 4-apex corner, in which the cars maintain speeds between 265 and 285 km/h (165 and 177 mph) (in 2006) and experience between 4.5 g and 5.5 g for 7 seconds—the longest sustained hard cornering in Formula 1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_One_car

Adding ground effect or fan technology would increase available downforce a lot which would allow for much higher lateral g's.

I have been able to find very little information on how much side to side lateral g's a human body can withstand but i did find this.

Individual are more tolerant of forces received in the +/-Gx axis than of those received in the other axes because transverse Gs interfere very little with blood flow. Extreme values of transverse G (12 to 15 +/-G) acting for five seconds or more can displace organs or shift the heart’s position and, thereby, interfere with respiration.
http://www.cavalrypilot.com/fm1-301/ch4.htm

I am assuming that the high lateral G's are gradually achieved (1-3 seconds) rather than suddenly (0.1-0.3 seconds) as internal bruising and bleeding would be more likely in that situation.

Even disregarding driver safety i do not know how much further they could push F1 before they become totally impossible to drive.

 

[ParkourVeyron]

However, in a Horizontal 10G pull, the blood is pulled in the direction opposite that the car is going, which happens to immobilise the blood being pumped, hence ParkourVeyron's Grey-out.

My gray-out was caused by vertical Gs, not horizontal Gs, I was using it as an example, saying that if I had a G-suit on it probably wouldn't have happened.

People are driving F1

Which is no more than 3 or 4 Gs.

flying jets

Most, if not all of the Gs they pull are vertical, (the blood is being moved from the brain to the feet) and they can pull up to 9 Gs, with the assistance of a G-suit, (without it they'd be dead) and at that point they're at their limit. In a car the Gs are horizontal, not vertical, so no G-suit will be able to save you.

and been to the Moon

Astronauts experience about 3 face-on Gs during liftoff, that's it.

and now people say human body can't function at 6G?

6 vertical Gs in a G-suit is possible, (but still at the limit, and you'd only be able to pull it for a few seconds) but 6 horizontal Gs is not.

And also, have you ever actually experienced enough Gs to at least grayout like I have? I was pulling about 3 Gs for around 7-10 seconds, and it was ****ing intense. It's easy for you to say that 6 Gs is possible when you haven't even experienced half of that.

 

[jtv90069]

Which is no more than 3 or 4 Gs.
Actually it gets higher than 3 or 4 G's. They pull as high as 6G's, this was recorded at suzuka.

Most, if not all of the Gs they pull are vertical, (the blood is being moved from the brain to the feet) and they can pull up to 9 Gs, with the assistance of a G-suit, (without it they'd be dead) and at that point they're at their limit. In a car the Gs are horizontal, not vertical, so no G-suit will be able to save you.

6 vertical Gs in a G-suit is possible, (but still at the limit, and you'd only be able to pull it for a few seconds) but 6 horizontal Gs is not.

In the Red Bull Air racing they are limited to 10 G's. Some pilots can withstand 11+ G's for a time without blackouts.
Without the suit those G's can kill but require sustained G's for it to do so.
6 Vertical G's may be limit's for people of the street but you can train your body to withstand much higher. 6 horizontal G's is possible, F1 drivers have highly toned body's coupled with form fitting seats and many hours pulling high lateral G's. They are trained for it as fighter pilots are trained for high vertical G's.

Astronauts experience about 3 face-on Gs during liftoff, that's it.
3 G's for minutes on end. However long it takes to get from the ground through the atmosphere they are pulling those 3 G's.

 

[Exorcet]

X1 g force is nothing people haven't experienced before.



The drivers will be strained, but they won't probably won't die from g forces directly, and there is no guarantee that they would even have to deal with extreme g forces because the track could simply be designed to avoid that, exactly like in F1.

 

[Machate-man]

X1 g force is nothing people haven't experienced before.

[youtube.]9G Centrifuge Run[/media]

The drivers will be strained, but they won't probably won't die from g forces directly, and there is no guarantee that they would even have to deal with extreme g forces because the track could simply be designed to avoid that, exactly like in F1.

Is the pilot facing away or parallel to the centrifuge?

If he were facing away, he would feel the equivelant of deceleration-G.

If he were facing parallel (Spinning w/ face towards direction of travel) then he would face "Cornering-G".

 

[alonsof1fan91]

If you gave a Formula 1 team unlimited funds and no restrictions, you think these cars can ever be built or are they just not physically possible?

I just notice F1 putting restrictions on cars almost every year with hopes of making the sport safer and possibly slowing the cars down but (sometimes) they are still lapping faster then previous years.

Do you ever wonder how fast any given team can be with no restrictions and funds readily available?

I don`t think that a car like the X2010 is possible.

Years ago I read a quote from an F1 engineer who said that the engineers could make the cars go something like 10 seconds per lap faster given free hands (no restructions, unlimited budget).

btw:
The tyres limit the cars most IMO. F.e when regulations ment teams so change from V10 to V8 engines, there was no real difference till the cars reached about 120-140km/h, because even the V8 engines were to strong for the tyres. Only at higher speeds, when drag increases alot, the difference is notable.

 

[Bigbazz]

Tyre technology improves constantly, tyres get better, not to mention they can make bigger wider tyres for more contact patch, if you take away limitations then there is nothing forcing you using the current size that F1 uses for wheels and tyres.


I honestly think the car is possible, but not probable. They would have to go through massive ammounts of teething issues to get the car to that performance, massive ammounts of money and real testing would be very difficult, with big risks involved.

But the technology definitely exists to make a car that performs similar to what you see in the game, but putting that technology together into a working practical unit is not realistic, due to the costs and pointlessness of it.

 

[Exorcet]

Is the pilot facing away or parallel to the centrifuge?

A good point, I'm not sure in this case.

Years ago...

That's a problem. Years ago could be practically forever, technology grows pretty fast in a lot of areas.

The tyres limit the cars most IMO.

There have been plenty of dominant cars that won due to things other than tires. I honestly think powered ground effect is near the top of the list of ultimate unlimited performance features.

 

[Energizerrr]

G-force wise human body would be able to drive X2010/11, not more than 2 laps but they would be able to drive it.
With that beeing said I don't see the problem of having X2010/11 beeing built apart from it beeing useless.