X2010 gear shifters look hard to reach

[buggs1a]

It's in gt tv.

 

[Nismo34]

The only problem with training a fighter pilot is the fact that the X2010 and a fighter jet are under different G-loads. A pilot is trained to mainly withstand the vertical G's where as the X2010 is under lateral G's.

 

[Warkuss]

I think it would be easier for an F1 driver to take it on vs a pilot. A driver is already used to a several G's from a F1 car. The G suit would eliminate most of the effects of the extra ones put on by the X1. The driver would probably need forced oxygen to help combat the G forces. Also, as you can see, Richard Hammond shows it is no joke for a novice to drive a F1 car.

 

[bass264]

They would need fans to generate a 'Pull' towards the ground. 8 G's pulling to the side every turn, how would you not flip?

A G-Suit would be needed, its like an fighter jet that drives. And of course extensive training procedures.

I don't know the rate at which it'd have to suck air out of the bottom of the X1 but the fan itself would have to at least be like 400hp or more. I wonder why PD didn't tell us how much horsepower the fan is in the game.

 

[Nismo34]

I don't know the rate at which it'd have to suck air out of the bottom of the X1 but the fan itself would have to at least be like 400hp or more. I wonder why PD didn't tell us how much horsepower the fan is in the game.

What use is the knowing the fans horsepower in a racing game?

 

[OwensRacing]

Make the fan electric powered. Using Lipo cells. They are very light.


Tires. That definitely a problem. Sure a hybrid rubber with say a carbon fibers for radials. . . Fun stuff. Friction which is heat is the tire issue. The carbon based radials will take the heat. Not sure where you go with rubber. With the suction fan. How much "grip" relative to rubber can o e give up in a tire and still have the grip do to the vacuum. Hmmmm

 

[gogatrs]

The only problem with training a fighter pilot is the fact that the X2010 and a fighter jet are under different G-loads. A pilot is trained to mainly withstand the vertical G's where as the X2010 is under lateral G's.

Exactly.
Fighter pilots are able to withstand all those vertical G's by flexing there abs, legs, lower body, etc. to prevent too much blood from going down into those areas.
You want to have a balanced amount of blood in all parts of your body.
That is why G's are so dangerous.

But how do we prevent the lateral G's?

 

[OwensRacing]

Exactly.
Fighter pilots are able to withstand all those vertical G's by flexing there abs, legs, lower body, etc. to prevent too much blood from going down into those areas.
You want to have a balanced amount of blood in all parts of your body.
That is why G's are so dangerous.

But how do we prevent the lateral G's?

Tilting the cockpit in turns so g's are more negative down rather across?

Invent anti gravity and problem solved.

 

[Nismo34]

Tilting the cockpit in turns so g's are more negative down rather across?

Invent anti gravity and problem solved.

Cockpit tilt would require the whole redesign of the car and anti-gravity is hard to achieve, The easiest solution would be cambered track, like Daytona where the G load isnt so across, its more down, thats where a fighter pilot would be right at home and it would be easier to combat the G's

 

[VspecZR1GT2RS89]

Think of how much training Astronauts go through on top of their Aircraft Training. I don't think the X2010 would require nearly as much training as that. Either an F1 driver could be trained to put up with the extra G's or a Fighter Pilot could be trained to drive the car. Either way, it's possible.

Yep that a good point there also, I was mostly thinking what if a pilot or astronaut would be able to drive the X1 if it ever got developed. But what if a formula 1 driver takes up the training from the other two career fields to be able to have their bodies relate to the G's from the X1 with a advanced racing suit that protects them plus flexing their bodies when they're not training/racing so when they drive it, they can withstand the harshness of the car wild handling when going through corners, shooting down straights in top speed etc.

But then you have to figure the finance on how much training that either the pilot or the F1 driver will go through, how much the suit will cost. And don't forget about the costs in all of the advanced techinal science and math being put into one machine and then teams/privateers who want to employ that car to their team.

Then it all boils down to one thing, the F1 driver or the fighter pilot?

 

[Nismo34]

Then it all boils down to one thing, the F1 driver or the fighter pilot?

Fighter pilot would be Ideal as they have the quick reaction time and fast thinking thats required IMO. And A fighter pilot would be cheaper to train for F1 than it would Vice Versa.

 

[Eric.]

This.

Actually if you watch a cockpit replay the sound of the revs doesn't match the shift animation, specifically on down shifts.

Well of course not. You press a button, the game engine instantly starts the gear change at the same time it starts the driver animation. The actual gear change takes less time than it takes for the animation of the gear change. It can't be perfect, it would have to be predictive.

 

[Crispy]

Airplane tires. Those I'm pretty sure could withstand the extreme friction of braking and turning.

As to them telling how much HP produces, its just PD way of saying, don't try this at home.

 

[Crispy]

Exactly.
Fighter pilots are able to withstand all those vertical G's by flexing there abs, legs, lower body, etc. to prevent too much blood from going down into those areas.
You want to have a balanced amount of blood in all parts of your body.
That is why G's are so dangerous.

But how do we prevent the lateral G's?

A different designed bucket seat perhaps? For pilots the flex their bodies side to side, but in the air you can do that, because there really isn't something to crash into up there.

On a track, theirs other cars, walls, and all kinds of stuff. So flexing your body while all this stuff is going around you that fast, is too much to think of.

Thats why there could be a re-designed bucket seat in mind, that flexes your body for you, so you can concentrate on the race.

 

[nimu85]

It would have to have joystick steering input. Try to raise your whole arm while pulling 8 g in a jet.

All the problems with lateral G-forces are going to be the worst thing to solve.

 

[NFSCARBON1]

It would have to have joystick steering input. Try to raise your whole arm while pulling 8 g in a jet.

All the problems with lateral G-forces are going to be the worst thing to solve.

Would a tilting seat arrangement relieve some of the effects on the driver? In the corners I think it would be possible to tilt the inside of the cockpit by a few degrees (too much and the driver would be at an odd angle to the road). As to keeping their arms up, they wouldn't be feeling many vertical G's.

 

[analog]

So my Bob is driving the X2010 and I'm following along in the cockpit view, and I can't help but wonder why they decided to put the gear shifters where they are. It seems like the whole hand needs to move upward each time Bob needs a gear change, thereby temporarily losing firm control of the steering wheel.

I would think that for a car this fast, you'd want to need as little movement as possible to change gears. Is there a design reason for this? Couldn't they have put it somewhere lower down and more easily accessible? Bob is basically turning and shifting all the time and it looks like a very risky move each time.

Adrian Newey recently smilingly admitted that if a real X2010 would be build, and performed the same as in GT5, no person would be able to do more than a few laps on a regular track like, say, Suzuka as the G-forces combined with the intense concentration needed to stay on course would just be too much.
Therefor if they want to race X2010's against similar cars in a lenghty race they must also create superhumans in the process, I guess when designing and constructing these mutants they could design the forearms in a way these gearshifters can be used properly or even add another pair of forearms so the steering wheel can be firmly controlled at all time.
Ergonomics are thus irrelevant since it can't be driven by a regular Homo Sapiens anyway, this is actually the first car (apart from a few Italian classics) whereby the driver has to be created to fit the car instead of the other way around.

 

[Nismo34]

Why not use the X2010 on racetracks, Similar to Daytona, except with a few more corners, instead of the Indycars. The camber on teh track can be made to change the G forces to vertical and therefore easier to deal with e.g. G suit.

 

[VspecZR1GT2RS89]

Better yet, instead of making a superhuman or a complete training for F1 even using a fighter pilot as a driver. What about this as a new innovation?

A world first raido controlled X1!

Instead of a human, remember that our bodies can't accept the monsterous behavior of the X1, it's like NASA training astronauts to go towards the sun and see if they can find life or study our star that give life to our solar system in our galaxy, and that is a sucide mission there. So what about a computer aka SuperCPU that controls everything from the driving to letting people know when to he's stop for tire change/fuel/battery refuel and if there's a accident i.e. the car careened off the track and blew up, the CPU will leave evidence stored like a black box for airplanes that will give information asap to clean up crews and team, with that info being submitted to the creators of the X1 so they can study the problem, find the source and create a new system or mechanical parts that will stop severe or fatal accidents.

But in a good news way, the human driver is safe and alive and the CPU can be redesigned again, unless they have an ejector seat that will unleash the driver when any dangers present themselves to the driver.

 

[nimu85]

Would a tilting seat arrangement relieve some of the effects on the driver? In the corners I think it would be possible to tilt the inside of the cockpit by a few degrees (too much and the driver would be at an odd angle to the road). As to keeping their arms up, they wouldn't be feeling many vertical G's.

I think a tilting seat is the only way. Look at the drivers positioning in the F1 racecars, they are almost lying flat in their seats.
For the x1 just position them even flatter, and the tilting cockpit wouldn't take much space.
The Human System is build to withstand vertikal G-force. Vasoconstriction of the venes in the legs and lower abdomen help us in everyday life to counter the effects of the earth g-force to help the heart pump blood to the brain.
There is no mechanism with the same effect for lateral g-forces. Especially when they are as high as in the X1.

 

[nurburglapped]

Adrian Newey recently smilingly admitted that if a real X2010 would be build, and performed the same as in GT5, no person would be able to do more than a few laps on a regular track like, say, Suzuka as the G-forces combined with the intense concentration needed to stay on course would just be too much.

Drivers probably can't endure the entire race at full speed, but if the car is fast enough, they can drive at - say - 70-80% of its full capacity, and only really use up all its full potential down a very long straight or a long sweeping, banked turn. You only need to edge out your opponent in a race.

 

[gogatrs]

Drivers probably can't endure the entire race at full speed, but if the car is fast enough, they can drive at - say - 70-80% of its full capacity, and only really use up all its full potential down a very long straight or a long sweeping, banked turn. You only need to edge out your opponent in a race.

Or they can start to do driver changes in F1.
The car can have some sort of sensor that can tell that the driver has passed out. It will then idle it's way to the pits where the body/driver is dragged out of the car and the live/new driver gets in!

 

[Warkuss]

Or they can start to do driver changes in F1.
The car can have some sort of sensor that can tell that the driver has passed out. It will then idle it's way to the pits where the body/driver is dragged out of the car and the live/new driver gets in!

If it could do all that, why bother with a driver at all?

 

[Crispy]

Or they can start to do driver changes in F1.
The car can have some sort of sensor that can tell that the driver has passed out. It will then idle it's way to the pits where the body/driver is dragged out of the car and the live/new driver gets in!

Or they could have something where it pumps more oxygen and tells the driver to get to the pits as fast as possible.