xbox 360's graphics will be as fast as PS3

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Driftster
Well after watching a dozen video's for games in the making for the next gen consoles...I've noticed a couple of things.

PS3 games for some reason is still just a solid piece.
EX. the cobble stone street in the FFVII demo....

Gears of War has textured cobbelstone though....

And it doesn't look like Killzone's engine has any sort of on demand "facial muscles" because the mouth movements were a completely different language to the dialog..And if they wern't that was just horrible design..

Kill zone 2 really looks they took the piece crap Killzone was and turtle waxed it...
Sony's been having that problem alot lately..
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I think what's amusing is that you are completely serious when you say all that, lol.

Sorry I just find it amusing :)
 
Driftster
And it doesn't look like Killzone's engine has any sort of on demand "facial muscles" because the mouth movements were a completely different language to the dialog..And if they wern't that was just horrible design..
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Actually, if you knew a bit about audio/video synchronization, you'd realize that the audio is simply out of sync. There were many glitches in those videos, since it was taken from a real-time HD feed. This is a result of the system used to record the conference while it was going on, and not a fault with the videos themselves.

If I really have to, I can re-sync the audio, just to show that it's not as bad as you seem to think it is. I'll need somewhere to host the file, though.
 
In Sony's presentation, I was more interested in how they showed that the memory bus speeds and internal bus speeds of the PS3 would be so much higher than on the Xbox. I'm not really sure what impact that will have though. What are the real bottlenecks these days?

In practice though, I think that the difference between the PS3 and the Xbox 360 will turn out at roughly the difference between the PS2 and the XBox right now. But we'll see. I might get one, I might get both, a lot depends on how much involved I'm going to be with gaming at that point, and on whether or not the Xbox 360 will finally support real force feedback wheels like the DF Pro. If the latter doesn't happen, the chances of me needing an Xbox 360 for anything are going to be rather slim.

By the way, the PSP rules! :D I currently own Ridge Racers, Lumines, Metal Gear Acid, and WipeOut Pure, and they all rock!
 
live4speed
No the processors don't cost that much, remeber were talking about mass production here, the PS3 will cost $600 maximum. And yes, you will have to sped far, far more than that to get a PC to match a PS3's performance.
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Talking about the price of the PS3, this just came out. It looks like the price of the PS3 just might be $400.00 after all.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/28/news_6128295.html
 
The PS3 wsnt even running for some of the E3 demo's, everything that was shown was below spec.
 
all over the place, the cost to develop games will be much higher this coming generation. its the only way developers can offset that cost.
 
Jedi2016
Actually, if you knew a bit about audio/video synchronization, you'd realize that the audio is simply out of sync. There were many glitches in those videos, since it was taken from a real-time HD feed. This is a result of the system used to record the conference while it was going on, and not a fault with the videos themselves.

If I really have to, I can re-sync the audio, just to show that it's not as bad as you seem to think it is. I'll need somewhere to host the file, though.
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I'm sorry but unless the "field captain" or whoever was deaf and trying to speak he did not mouth "we've got incoming anti air" he said "RAH rahrah"

Not only that, the surface of the drop ship was one texture..
The people on fire looked rediculous...
I'm well aware fire is one of the hardest things to duplicate in CG..But it doesn't even look like the characters were on fire..it looks like they were flailing and there was a flame pasted onto them..

and I don't know the rating on this game, but some blood splatter would be nice when people get shot with large calibur rounds..
Call me crazy but stuff like that happens...

i KNOW blood splatters from a 38 so why wouldn't it from a larger AR round.
it's still got horrible muzzle flash but it's a work in progress so that's acceptable

But that Rocket propelled grenade... well conidering it didn't even fire from the gun an appeared about a foot infront of the barrel, then dived to the ground only to go streaming towards the enemy.....kinda odd doncha think?
but then again...

Work in progress..
 
Driftster
I'm sorry but unless the "field captain" or whoever was deaf and trying to speak he did not mouth "we've got incoming anti air" he said "RAH rahrah"

Not only that, the surface of the drop ship was one texture..
The people on fire looked rediculous...
I'm well aware fire is one of the hardest things to duplicate in CG..But it doesn't even look like the characters were on fire..it looks like they were flailing and there was a flame pasted onto them..

and I don't know the rating on this game, but some blood splatter would be nice when people get shot with large calibur rounds..
Call me crazy but stuff like that happens...

i KNOW blood splatters from a 38 so why wouldn't it from a larger AR round.
it's still got horrible muzzle flash but it's a work in progress so that's acceptable

But that Rocket propelled grenade... well conidering it didn't even fire from the gun an appeared about a foot infront of the barrel, then dived to the ground only to go streaming towards the enemy.....kinda odd doncha think?
but then again...

Work in progress..
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again you visual nitpickers amuse me to no end. Go watch CG movies and leave games to people who understnad that they are GAMES, not movies :)

You = Casual Graphics Whore Gamer :)

Harcore Gamer = Emphasis on Gameplay, visuals always come second, and are only 1/3rd of the cake.
 
westwood
all over the place, the cost to develop games will be much higher this coming generation. its the only way developers can offset that cost.
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Exept that it won't cost more, it'll cost less to develop a new PS3 game than it cost to deveolp a PS2 game at launch, the PS2 was ***** to develop for, the PS3 isn't and thats come straight from Sony, that it'll cost less to develop games now for PS3 than for PS2 at launch, nice of you to provide a source.
 
The con...If I'm going to spending 400-600 dollars on a console I want the BEST I can get...Not "settle" I don't knwo about you but 600 dollars isn't an amount I ENJOY spending let alone on OnE thing......

600 dollars would get me a XFX 7800 GT........Which would run the unreal 3 engine....which is what unreal 2007 uses..which has met every gfx quota i've set for myself..

CAll my a graphix whore all you want, but when I spend money I want to get the best bang for my buck...not something that is "acceptable"


And your deffinitions there have got to be the most biased thing i've ever heard in my life if not one of the nerdiest things i've read on this forum.

So Doom 3 is a crappy game that "hardcore gamers" don't like?

Same for Half Life 2?

So "Counterstrike" and "World of Warcraft" is where it's at is where it's at for Hardcore gamers? i'm sorry...count me out of nerdfest 05..
 
And liv is right, considering the dev packets that either company mic and sony have distributed they put more emphasis on making the game instead of "making the game work" which is why so many potentially good games fell through for the X box and Ps2..
 
Driftster
The con...If I'm going to spending 400-600 dollars on a console I want the BEST I can get...Not "settle" I don't knwo about you but 600 dollars isn't an amount I ENJOY spending let alone on OnE thing......

600 dollars would get me a XFX 7800 GT........Which would run the unreal 3 engine....which is what unreal 2007 uses..which has met every gfx quota i've set for myself..

CAll my a graphix whore all you want, but when I spend money I want to get the best bang for my buck...not something that is "acceptable"


And your deffinitions there have got to be the most biased thing i've ever heard in my life if not one of the nerdiest things i've read on this forum.

So Doom 3 is a crappy game that "hardcore gamers" don't like?

Same for Half Life 2?

So "Counterstrike" and "World of Warcraft" is where it's at is where it's at for Hardcore gamers? i'm sorry...count me out of nerdfest 05..
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Even the games you include in your examples defeat your point.

HL2 is not visually stunning by any means, but the physics are so amazing you soon forget about that, but as far as visuals, it's behind the current generation of FPS.

And your examples of Counterstrike and WoW are pretty inappropriate, since they are "dated" so to speak. But for their time, they were outstanding games, not because of visuals, but because of gameplay.


And your desire to spend money on whatever you please is yours, but to me, that $400 dollars that the PS3 will run me is fairly cheap given the technology that will be sold to me.

You figure, with the GPU alone, to get one similar on PC will run you $600.

Now let's add the Processor, what, 3.2Ghz? We'll just shoot low and say $200.

Now let's add extra USB ports, say 4? Maybe $50.

Let's add a BD-ROM, capable of playing all disc mediums (with the exception of HD-DVD). Low estimate again: $200

Let's toss in 256MB of system memory: Possibly $50

Can't forget that your PC needs an HDD, we'll shoot low, say, 80GB: $70

We all know that you need a soundcard, since you seem to think it's so important, lol, so we'll shoot for another low cost: $70

So, just with that, assuming you have case/MB/keybord+mouse/monitor...you're looking at $1240.00. Even then, you will more than likely have to upgrade within the next year to stay current with the "next generation" of PC visuals.





Now I will begin to debunk your problem with textures etc. Why should game developers focus on the texture of the ship, when it will only be seen partially, and is not the focus of the gameplay? Why should the focus on something htat moves so quickly, that it doesn't matter if it appears slightly in front of the weapon, when it's moving so fast you won't notice unless it's in slowmo?

As for the lips and the sound, you obviously don't understand that with greater detail in triangles and textures/shaders, it is quite difficult to get away with lip synching on next generation hardware because it looks much more realistic, so you cannot get away with simple mouth motions, yet developers have not yet caught on, and it will take time to practice, yet for you, this is unacceptable.

Don't blame the hardware genius, blame the developer, unless you are a :dunce:
 
Hey they con, are you getting paid by sony? Because you really seem to be taking this to heart? Unless you're just another person who's hanging from the personified Sony-sack?

Half life 2 isn't visually stunning? Last time I checked..yes it was...
Counterstrike is dated? You obviously didn't understand I was speaking about Counterstrike source, sorry for thinking that you'd be able to see the connection here.

Second....
I didn't watch the movie in slo-mo, I saw the huge gap playing it at normal speed there buddy.
Sorry if my eyes catch things that stand out like that a little easier than yours do, don't blame me for that.

And yeah i'm going to blame the hardware, you know why? That's what i'm buying..
I'm not going to buy a PS3 based on what it CAN do...I'm going to buy a Ps3 on what games are out, and what games are coming.. If the Developers suck the wang I don't give a rats ass if the Ps3 is better than 6 nasa computers.....It'll be a POS in my mind if the best they can come up with is pong..

Ok...So now it's the developers fault because they can't catch on.....
2 posts ago it was
"The sound was out of sync" Now it's "yeah they lips are off, so what".....

Dude, if I'm spending the money I want high quality...end of story your petty little "graphics whore" comments arn't going to change my way of thinking, you can continue preaching your Sony Developers nonsense all you want but at the end of the day...

The guys mouth said "RAHRAHRAH" the RPG shot 2 feet from the barrel..
The muzzle flash was gay, and the textures were par at best....

Maybe I have higher standards than you, maybe i'm not a "Hardcore 1337 nerd"...I don't care...but I know what I like and the fact that I know what I like and you can't accept that tells quite a bit..
 
Driftster
Hey they con, are you getting paid by sony? Because you really seem to be taking this to heart? Unless you're just another person who's hanging from the personified Sony-sack?

Half life 2 isn't visually stunning? Last time I checked..yes it was...
Counterstrike is dated? You obviously didn't understand I was speaking about Counterstrike source, sorry for thinking that you'd be able to see the connection here.

Second....
I didn't watch the movie in slo-mo, I saw the huge gap playing it at normal speed there buddy.
Sorry if my eyes catch things that stand out like that a little easier than yours do, don't blame me for that.

And yeah i'm going to blame the hardware, you know why? That's what i'm buying..
I'm not going to buy a PS3 based on what it CAN do...I'm going to buy a Ps3 on what games are out, and what games are coming.. If the Developers suck the wang I don't give a rats ass if the Ps3 is better than 6 nasa computers.....It'll be a POS in my mind if the best they can come up with is pong..

Ok...So now it's the developers fault because they can't catch on.....
2 posts ago it was
"The sound was out of sync" Now it's "yeah they lips are off, so what".....

Dude, if I'm spending the money I want high quality...end of story your petty little "graphics whore" comments arn't going to change my way of thinking, you can continue preaching your Sony Developers nonsense all you want but at the end of the day...

The guys mouth said "RAHRAHRAH" the RPG shot 2 feet from the barrel..
The muzzle flash was gay, and the textures were par at best....

Maybe I have higher standards than you, maybe i'm not a "Hardcore 1337 nerd"...I don't care...but I know what I like and the fact that I know what I like and you can't accept that tells quite a bit..
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I really wish they had a laughing smiley, I'd insert it here.

I've said nothing to the claim about PS3 or sony, all I have talked about what your exceedingly high expectations and lack of common sense. Then I proceeded to compare prices since you think it's too expenseive to get such "lackluster" visuals.

HL2 was not visually stunning in comparison to FPS of the same generation. :)

Counterstrike, and Counterstrike: Source, are not visually Stunning compared to FPS of their same generation, respectively, they are on par at best.

Doom 3: was visually stunning, but the gameplay was far from anything impressive, thus, it was an unimpressive game, fun to look at, boring to play.


We can continue to argue until the skin on our fingertips rubs off, but the fact remains that your expectations are too high for Sony, and Microsoft, and even current generation hardware. Sacrifices are made to improve other elements of environment, i.e. particle effects, and character models and motion capture. Nothing will be perfect in every aspect of the game, if you cannot grasp that concept, then you will be disappointed many times over this coming generation. Developers will not use this hardware to it's potential until the end of the cycle, not because it's difficult, but because they are lazy, and are stuck in their ways. Many developers have already made it clear they do not with to learn to deal with multi threaded operations, nor multi-core CPU's. For them, it's too much cost vs. profit, and they will overlook it and continue to do what they do now, regardless of the output of the game. THe name will sell it, not the visuals. MGS3 had a slow framerate and much slowdown, but still sold like hotcakes. I can list so many games that have so many errors, but still sold like hotcakes.

Get off your highhorse of expectations and live in the real world, then you'll be a much happier gamer.
 
Dude, if anyone is on a high horse it's you...
You're completely missing the point on EVERYTHING I said....

This is a forum, people come here to get opinions and to give opinions. Not to have life altering epiphanies. So save the "Live in the real world, then you'll be a much happier gamer" garbage for some other kids, cause i'm really not here to be reading that crap.

If you just seriously can't fathom the idea that some people look for different aspects in a video game than you do you've got alot of growing up to do.
I'm picky, you know why? Because I have a life, and a job. I can't afford to throw away 60 dollars left and right at the drop of a hat because hey, it's up to standards. i like money, i enjoy spending it just as much as any other guy, but when I do so I plan on getting the MOST for my money, if that means being your so called "graphics whore" then so be it. I'm one in every nerdy sense of the word because if I can watch a highly anticipated demo of a game that is less than 5 minutes long and pic out a dozen things... I don't like in the game already...I'm not going to buy it and some kid from the world of video game standards and practices isn't going to convince me otherwise...So stop thinking you're going to.

I'm done, this is it no more if you want to reply feel free to, i'll read it and i'll see if you've understood anything i said, but I will not respond
 
Just leave him be, tha_con... he ain't worth it. He's obviously stuck in his ways, and nothing you or I will say to him will change it.

And you know what, Driftster? Nothing you say is going to change what WE think, either.

Presenting your opinion is one thing. Getting bent out of shape just because everyone doesn't agree with you... that's something else entirely.

You hate PS3? Fine. But if you hate it that badly, why are you hanging around on a PS3 forum, on a board populated by thousands of Playstation fans?
 
jedi I don't remember trying to pursuade anyone into trying to think like me. Since when was pointing out noticable problems pursuation? Did I say the Ps3 was a bad system? No, but from the looks of things so far it doesn't meet MY wants. I never said "you were wrong..yatta yatta" but you guys seem to have no problem in doing so..

I said I didn't like how killzone looked or FFVII, and I-8 in the later post, but i'm getting responses like I just shot your pets or something..
 
Drifster is a hater! He played GT4 one day, didn't like it, returned it.

If you wanna talk in a mature way start to mature yourself!👍
 
Actually I never returned it, I wish I could have but they wouldn't give me the money I wanted for it. So I sold it to a buddy of mine, kept the wheel and the Ps2 though. So instead of wasting 400 dollars, i only wasted 350..
 
What more could you want out of PS3? I loved PC gaming until it got expensive. Besides Doom3 and HL2 i have stopped buying PC games. I so want Battlefield 2 but my Graphics card died, i just got a psp and i dont feel like shelling out another $200 for a GFX card that will run doom3 at 60fps.
 

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