XBOX360 : Currently running at 1/3 of its power ? No... on APPLE !!!

[Max_DC]

www.ign.com :

May 17, 2005 - In between furiously posting the latest game information, we had the time to shoot the breeze with a PR representative from a third-party company. The conversation drifted towards the frame rate issues that we've seen while previewing a few Xbox 360 titles. There is no doubt that the level of detail in the trailers is up to next-gen standards, but almost anything in-engine has chugged a bit at one point or another.

When asked about this issue our source replied that the current playable 360 games would all have frame rate issues due to the fact that they are running on alpha units. A rough estimate placed these machines at about one-third as powerful as the 360. We went head-to-head in Top Spin 2 and noticed that there were visible jaggies and a few frame drops. This is because the Alpha units do not run anti-aliasing and simply don't have the power to run a high-res game at full quality. The developers had tuned Top Spin 2 to run at a smooth 60 frames per second but this was simply not possible on the Alpha hardware. We have heard that the final development kits will arrive in July and they promise to look much better.

It is not surprising that many games in early stages would suffer from the types of issues we've seen so far. If the alpha units are underpowered, it is surprising that we haven't heard about this earlier. Knowing that the final products will most definitely run smoother certainly got us more excited about the 360 line-up.

Well as ign said... that would change the whole situation... You could use the second third to improve the grafics drastically and the third third for making all this smooth....
If that is true...maybe even the PS3 hardware will increase it's power ....?

What you think ?

True or not true ? Consequences of both ?

Update !!!

E3 : Mircrosoft runs its 360 games on Apple Powermac G5's !!!

Look :

Apparently, Xbox360 wasn't runnning at any "third" of its power....read.

http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2420&p=5

 

[Flerbizky]

They can claim whatever the hell they feel like ATM... Blame it on bad code, no time to optimize, alpha spec hardware etc. etc. etc. etc. They've got more excuses than you can shake a stick at...

 

[tha_con]

You are misunderstanding what this guy is saying.

Xbox 360 is not running at 1/3 of it's power. He is claiming that the units they are using are 1/3 as powerful as the Xbox 360. This is HIGHLY unlikely though, because he has optimized the code he's using to run on his development kit, and what he is using now, is different than his development kit.

So, what he SHOULD be saying, is that his code is only running at 1/3 of it's EFFICIENT STRENGTH because it's not OPTIMIZED for the unit that it is currently running on.

In other words, he's hyping up the system and creating an excuse (which is not a bad thing) for his demo not showing at it's full potential.

 

[F1GTR]

Or making an excuse that x360 has been taken over by PS3

 

[Max_DC]

You are misunderstanding what this guy is saying.

Xbox 360 is not running at 1/3 of it's power. He is claiming that the units they are using are 1/3 as powerful as the Xbox 360. This is HIGHLY unlikely though, because he has optimized the code he's using to run on his development kit, and what he is using now, is different than his development kit.

So, what he SHOULD be saying, is that his code is only running at 1/3 of it's EFFICIENT STRENGTH because it's not OPTIMIZED for the unit that it is currently running on.

In other words, he's hyping up the system and creating an excuse (which is not a bad thing) for his demo not showing at it's full potential.

Well you kind of said the same thing three times.... the result is that the final xbox360, according to him, will offer three times the power for running the games...

 

[tha_con]

Well you kind of said the same thing three times.... the result is that the final xbox360, according to him, will offer three times the power for running the games...

You are not understanding what I siad, let me explain it a little less complex.

What he should have said was:

Our Development kit is as powerful as the Xbox 360, however, the techonology is different.

Our software code runs at optimal performance on our development kit, however, on the alpha unit, it is not optimized to use the new technology.

Since it is not optimized, it is running worse on the alpha unit.

One it is optimized, performance will increase by 66%.

That is what he SHOULD have said. But he didn't. His words add hype, what he should have said does not, and it's boring.

 

[SRV2LOW4ME]

I hope its running at 1/3 its power, cause after watching it at E3, I thought it looked like a normal XBox, nothin looked new, just more objects on the screen than from what we see now. 👎

 

[LaBounti]

I hope its running at 1/3 its power, cause after watching it at E3, I thought it looked like a normal XBox, nothin looked new, just more objects on the screen than from what we see now. 👎

Full auto was running 1/4 the power and claims the full game will run at higher then 60 just too asure its doesnt dip.

 

[Gturismo1]

The dog ate my homework...I swear.

 

[Max_DC]

You are not understanding what I siad, let me explain it a little less complex.

What he should have said was:

Our Development kit is as powerful as the Xbox 360, however, the techonology is different.

Our software code runs at optimal performance on our development kit, however, on the alpha unit, it is not optimized to use the new technology.

Since it is not optimized, it is running worse on the alpha unit.

One it is optimized, performance will increase by 66%.

That is what he SHOULD have said. But he didn't. His words add hype, what he should have said does not, and it's boring.

No that's wrong, the final DEV KIT will be released in JULY according to Microsoft...
This is a Alphadevkit running at 3,2 GHertz....

 

[Gturismo1]

Apparently, Xbox360 wasn't runnning at any "third" of its power....read.

http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2420&p=5

 

[DQuaN]

Apparently, Xbox360 wasn't runnning at any "third" of its power....read.

http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2420&p=5

Using Macs!!!!!

That is hilarious

 

[Max_DC]

Apparently, Xbox360 wasn't runnning at any "third" of its power....read.

http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2420&p=5

WTF.... I hope for Microsoft that only some people, like us for example, will notice that... If this becomes public everybody will laugh at MS.... I mean, they all cheat a little bit, but this is extreme... you know... Apple and so... And they want to release XBOX360 in December ? MS, you seem to have a lot of work left to do, go and hurry....

 

[Smoke_U_24/7]

Apparently, Xbox360 wasn't runnning at any "third" of its power....read.

http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2420&p=5

OMFG!! 🤬 Idiots! If I was at the show, I would've caught that. I can't believe those guy's are really fallin' for it.

 

[Jedi2016]

I think the timing of the "explanation" is rather coincidental, don't you think? They only claimed 1/3 power AFTER they got their asses handed to them by Sony. If it was really running at 1/3 power, they would have said so at the initial press conference that night, or perhaps even at the "sneak peek" thing the week before on MTV.

 

[Nasadus]

I just read this news on a Dutch games site.Shame on MS. 👎

I serioulsy doubt they will release the console within 6 months.I have a feling they were just saying that to get Sony to rush their console.MS fears Sony,haha.

 

[Crazydude]

Please. Why do you think that they were running the games on G5's? Did you forget that the xbox360 has a mac processor and the games are made for it? I dont think they would be stupid enough to put a fully working 360 on the show floor just for it to get stolen. And thats why the games were runnin on mac, because they were made to work on that chip, the same way that u cant install windows on mac and mac on a pentium or AMD pc.


And to the fanboys that are kissing sony's a**, maybe you should read up on the specs and then tell us how good the ps3 really is.

http://www.majornelson.com/

 

[tha_con]

And to the fanboys that are kissing sony's a**, maybe you should read up on the specs and then tell us how good the ps3 really is.

http://www.majornelson.com/

LMAO!

You would TRUST majornelson.com? This guy knows jack and squat about Cell technology, let alone all the cutting edge technology that is in the Next Gen consoles.

"The Xbox 360’s CPU has more general purpose processing power because it has three general purpose cores, and Cell has just one."

Cell has SEVEN SPE's, and it is completely new technology, so there is NO WAY for him to benchmark it AT ALL, that in itself is a dead give away, CRACK KILLS!

"Cell’s claimed advantage is on streaming floating point work which is done on its seven DSP processors."

Seven SPE processors! Seriously, HE"S A MORON.

"The Xbox 360 GPU has more processing power than the PS3’s. In addition, its innovated features contribute to overall rendering performance."

IT'S ALL EXSISTING TECHNOLOGY. NOTHING INNOVATED.

 

[code_kev]

Quoting some random guy from the net as proof is daft, I could find websites that make the PS2 sound like an Uber Super computer. The PS3 is going to have scary processing power, or at least it should, simple as.

Chances are the code shown simply wasn't finished, simple as.

 

[kinigitt]

LMAO!

You would TRUST majornelson.com? This guy knows jack and squat about Cell technology, let alone all the cutting edge technology that is in the Next Gen consoles.

"The Xbox 360’s CPU has more general purpose processing power because it has three general purpose cores, and Cell has just one."

Cell has SEVEN SPE's, and it is completely new technology, so there is NO WAY for him to benchmark it AT ALL, that in itself is a dead give away, CRACK KILLS!

"Cell’s claimed advantage is on streaming floating point work which is done on its seven DSP processors."

Seven SPE processors! Seriously, HE"S A MORON.

"The Xbox 360 GPU has more processing power than the PS3’s. In addition, its innovated features contribute to overall rendering performance."

IT'S ALL EXSISTING TECHNOLOGY. NOTHING INNOVATED.

oh yeah. there all allllll sorts of computers out that are designed exactly like the xbox360. I'm sure if you said that "nothing innovated" bit to one of their engineers or designers he/she'd humble you immensely.

just because microsoft has terrible marketing doesn't mean this machine is anything to scoff at. so sony put on another slick show, but we'll see where all the talk is going when the machines are out.

 

[Crazydude]

That information is not only on majornelson.

It is also on IGN and megagames, this is all directly from microsoft.

 

[kinigitt]

That information is not only on majornelson.

It is also on IGN and megagames, this is all directly from microsoft.

which is about as plausible as if it were from a random website anyway.

propaganda. don't buy into it. just like sony and their maneuvering, they want to make themselves look good by distorting "facts".

 

[tha_con]

oh yeah. there all allllll sorts of computers out that are designed exactly like the xbox360. I'm sure if you said that "nothing innovated" bit to one of their engineers or designers he/she'd humble you immensely.

just because microsoft has terrible marketing doesn't mean this machine is anything to scoff at. so sony put on another slick show, but we'll see where all the talk is going when the machines are out.

Multi-Core CPU's are absolutely nothing new. Marketing has nothing to do with it, Microsoft is notorious for taking others ideas and making a profit. Xbox was pre-existing technology. X360 is current technology. They took a lot of pre-existing ideas, and technology, beefed them up, and got a new video card.

Make it bigger, faster, and more powerful. That is microsoft.

Let's make something New, unique, and involving. That is Nintendo.

Let's do our own thing and see what happens. That is sony.

 

[kinigitt]

Multi-Core CPU's are absolutely nothing new. Marketing has nothing to do with it, Microsoft is notorious for taking others ideas and making a profit. Xbox was pre-existing technology. X360 is current technology. They took a lot of pre-existing ideas, and technology, beefed them up, and got a new video card.

Make it bigger, faster, and more powerful. That is microsoft.

Let's make something New, unique, and involving. That is Nintendo.

Let's do our own thing and see what happens. That is sony.

fact of the matter is that it's a custom designed piece of hardware, so it's full of innovations. maybe not giant leaps, but engineers have their pride, and you can't pretend to know what you're even talking about aside from making shallow, sweeping statements about the obvious.

 

[HybridGT]

I just realized what a sony fanboy sit this really is. G4TV said that Vision GT was a prerender look at what the next GT SHOULD look like. And to me it looks no better then GT4, then again from the videos on ign there are more cars on sceen, but then again the dreamcast did this with 24hr of le-mans back in the day. So were is that enovative technology. The fact is I have the money to buy both systems. So the games is what I will be judging. PGR3 is way ahead of the next GT game. 1 point xbox360 - 0 points PS3

 

[tha_con]

fact of the matter is that it's a custom designed piece of hardware, so it's full of innovations. maybe not giant leaps, but engineers have their pride, and you can't pretend to know what you're even talking about aside from making shallow, sweeping statements about the obvious.

and you know me? Man if this wasn't a *friendly* site I'd tell you how I really feel, but to tell ME that I can't pretend to know? Seriously, get off MY nuts, you don't even know me KID.

I can take a fork, add three more teeth, and it's custom designed, but by no means would that make it "innovative"...the processor in the 360 is just that.

I'm speaking in LAMENS terms to you children because I know that your tiny minds will not comprehend what I am trying to tell you.

Numbers can be skewed to make something look better, people can type things and throw around lingo to confuse you, but I know, for a FACT that both IGN and majornelson the jerkoff, are SKEWING NUMBERS.

They don't even know about the cell processor, LET ALONE THE TECHNOLOGY AND POWER BEHIND IT. They refer to the SPE's as DSP's MULTIPLE times, even though an SPE is much more complicated than a DSP (though they share the same theory, the SPE's are more complex).


Believe what you want, but your minds are just as clouded as you "think" mine is.

 

[code_kev]

They took a lot of pre-existing ideas, and technology, beefed them up, and got a new video card.

Well that sums up every console company ever.

I'm speaking in LAMENS terms to you children because I know that your tiny minds will not comprehend what I am trying to tell you.

And ffs tha_con, drop the huge ego crap.

 

[tha_con]

I just realized what a sony fanboy sit this really is. G4TV said that Vision GT was a prerender look at what the next GT SHOULD look like. And to me it looks no better then GT4, then again from the videos on ign there are more cars on sceen, but then again the dreamcast did this with 24hr of le-mans back in the day. So were is that enovative technology. The fact is I have the money to buy both systems. So the games is what I will be judging. PGR3 is way ahead of the next GT game. 1 point xbox360 - 0 points PS3

G4TV is full of idiots. Period.

Vision GT was the GT4 engine running higher resolution textures and two to three times the car models on screen with many spectators. It was not the "next generation" of GT, nor was it even a GT project.

At first I thought something similar, however, I have RESEARCHED, it's how you learn. And it wasn't hard to find out this was only a technical demo to show what to expect in the next GT, not for visuals, not for anything, just a "vision" of gran turismo, having multiple cars on screen and an immersive environment.

Smile

 

[tha_con]

Well that sums up every console company ever.

Emotion Engine = Not a pre-existing idea, and a pain in the ass.

Cell = Not a pre-existing idea, new technology.


Microsoft has taken many ideas from PC technology and applied them to video games. This is why they use Direct X to develop them, because their hardware is extremely close to that of a PC.

It's not that hard to see kev.

 

[code_kev]

Thank you for telling me what I've known for years.

Tried and tested does have it's advantages though, and the ideas are similar using multi-threading etc, just different ways of doing it. That's not to say I don't like what Sony is doing, I'm all for new ideas blah blah.

Bigger and faster etc STILL sums up every console company though.