Zonda C12 Understeer

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I've been using the Zonda C12 (Stage 1 NA) to try and win the Italian Avant Garde championship and have been suffering from chronic understeer.

I've tinkered with the suspension, making the the rear softer than the front and also increased the camber on the front wheels to give them more bite, but all to no avail. I have to take a really cautious approach on even the fastest corners (corner 1 Rome), feathering the throttle to make sure I don't end up in the wall.

Do any experienced Zonda drivers have any suggestions?

chaser_fan
 
Originally posted by Super-Supra
I Think we all have suffered the same problem ;). I don't know how to over come this understeer.
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Cheers for the quick reply Supra. Have you won the Italian Avant Garde champ. and if so with what car?

chaser_fan
 
I originally won it with the C12s, wall riding all the way

Did it recently in the same car, I found that if you get on the brakes early enough you should be able to make it, rough kind of setup i used:
Springs: 4.0 /17.7
Ride: 65/60
Damper Bound: 10/5
Damper Rebound: 10/4
Camber: 2.8/1.5
Toe: 2.0/-.5
Stabilisers: 7/4
Brakes: 24/12
Downforce: Max (rear adjustable only)
Gearbox: work that one out ya self ;)

This setup is for another track but hey you never know it just may work here
 
Originally posted by Bollocks#999
I originally won it with the C12s, wall riding all the way

Did it recently in the same car, I found that if you get on the brakes early enough you should be able to make it, rough kind of setup i used:
Springs: 4.0 /17.7
Ride: 65/60
Damper Bound: 10/5
Damper Rebound: 10/4
Camber: 2.8/1.5
Toe: 2.0/-.5
Stabilisers: 7/4
Brakes: 24/12
Downforce: Max (rear adjustable only)
Gearbox: work that one out ya self ;)

This setup is for another track but hey you never know it just may work here
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Ta B-Locks I'll give that a try later.:)
 
:cheers:

and welcome to
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You might find what you're looking for in our GT3 Settings forum, since that seems like what you really need. :) I'll move this thread shortly.

And, welcome! BTW, were you born in Hong Kong? Your English is great! :eek: (Ten times better than many of our native English speakers :lol:)
 
Full race suspension (no point in doing less)
Sport brakes with brake balancer
N/A 1 tuning
Engine balancing
Chip
Full race transmission and LSD (again, no point in doing less)
3-plate clutch and race flywheel
Lightweight 1
T4 tires

This is what I used. Pushing 680 or so HP, I beat the AI cleanly with a +3.high" margin on the race where they don't pit, and about +15.high" on the reverse, where they do.

The real trick to the Zonda is to brake early and to squeeze the brakes on rather than jamming them. It has a strong tendency to lock the fronts, leading to the inevitable wall slam and shout of "this thing sucks!". Also, the car tends to be going faster than you think... so brake well before the flashing indicator tells you to.
 
Originally posted by neon_duke
Full race suspension (no point in doing less)
Sport brakes with brake balancer
N/A 1 tuning
Engine balancing
Chip
Full race transmission and LSD (again, no point in doing less)
3-plate clutch and race flywheel
Lightweight 1
T4 tires

This is what I used. Pushing 680 or so HP, I beat the AI cleanly with a +3.high" margin on the race where they don't pit, and about +15.high" on the reverse, where they do.

The real trick to the Zonda is to brake early and to squeeze the brakes on rather than jamming them. It has a strong tendency to lock the fronts, leading to the inevitable wall slam and shout of "this thing sucks!". Also, the car tends to be going faster than you think... so brake well before the flashing indicator tells you to.
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In your experience, do the AI Zonda racecars always pit on the closing stages of the Italian AG race, or do they sometimes get through the whole race without stopping?
 
Originally posted by Sage
You might find what you're looking for in our GT3 Settings forum, since that seems like what you really need. :) I'll move this thread shortly.

And, welcome! BTW, were you born in Hong Kong? Your English is great! :eek: (Ten times better than many of our native English speakers :lol:)
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I'm English, but I've been living in HK for about two years, gradually learning to speak Cantonese. Fantastic place, great cars too. All the best and latest Japanese and European machinery, a good percentage of the cars are modified too. It's a shame the cost of ownership here is so high! Cheers for the warm welcome.:)
 
I don't understand it, in all the magazines I've read, nearly all the motoring hacks said that the Zonda was pehaps the best handling factory car they'd ever driven. Having driven it on GT3 (it is only a game, I know) I cannot see what they mean.

In my modest opinion the greatest 'out of the box' driver's car goes to the NSX Type-R, I never tire of driving it.

NSX Type-R + Trial Mountain = Motoring Heaven:D

chaser_man
 
Originally posted by XplodS
just wanna say i hate da bloodly zonda u go to brake and da thing slides 1000 meters
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then why spam?

we are trying to help chaser_fan here with the Zonda and we dont need useless comments like that
please something intelligent or helpful in this thread or nothing at all

BTW
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Cheers for all your help with the Zonda guys, but the truth is the car still handles like a dog.:confused:

I think I'll complete a few more champs. first and come back to the Italian AG Champ. later on. In the meantime I think I'll tinker with my white Tom's Chaser that's sitting temptingly in my garage.:D

chaser_fan
 
Originally posted by chaser_fan
In your experience, do the AI Zonda racecars always pit on the closing stages of the Italian AG race, or do they sometimes get through the whole race without stopping?
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In the first race, the front one, they do pit somewhere around lap 8 or 9. In the other race, the reverse side one, they do not pit at all. I may have it backwards, but they definitely pit in one and not the other.

Here are the settings I used on the car I described above:

Springs: 13.8/11.8
Ride Ht: 54/54
Bound: 10/10
Rebound: 10/10
Camber: 3.0/1.0
Toe: -0.5/+1.0
Stabilizers: 4/4
Brakes: 21/24

On T4s that was good for laps of Rome II in the 1':20.low" range, and a victory in the 3.high" range on the race where they don't pit.
 
Originally posted by neon_duke
In the first race, the front one, they do pit somewhere around lap 8 or 9. In the other race, the reverse side one, they do not pit at all. I may have it backwards, but they definitely pit in one and not the other.

Here are the settings I used on the car I described above:

Springs: 13.8/11.8
Ride Ht: 54/54
Bound: 10/10
Rebound: 10/10
Camber: 3.0/1.0
Toe: -0.5/+1.0
Stabilizers: 4/4
Brakes: 21/24

On T4s that was good for laps of Rome II in the 1':20.low" range, and a victory in the 3.high" range on the race where they don't pit.
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Your right neon_duke, the Zonda RCs pit on about lap 9 of the first race. I havn't tried the Rome II yet though.

Cheers for the setup, I'll copy that down and give it a try next time I play.:)

chaser_fan
 
at east i tried, like i said the setup was for another track, may need something stiffer for Rome, good luck with it anyway, and with the chaser
clint :cheers:
 
As you can never have too many alternative views on how to set a car up, here are the settings I developed for the Zonda at Rome:

Springs: 10.8/10.7
Ride: 55/70
Damper B: 4/5
Damper R: 10/9
Camber: 2.7/1.5
Toe: -0.5/+1.0
Stabs: 5/5
Brakes: 17/19
LSD I: 15
LSD A: 30
LSD D: 15
Gears: adjusted the Final to 3.779, Autoset left at Stock
Downforce:0.29/0.50
ASM:0
TCS:0
 
And good ones they are, too. Nice to see you! Rumour had it you were dead.
 
Thanks Duke - no, not dead ... just worked to death :).

Wimbledon, Tomb Raider: Angel of Darkness and big time phone-line problems are other excuses filling the ranks to explain my unusual quietness of late :O!
 
Originally posted by sukerkin
As you can never have too many alternative views on how to set a car up, here are the settings I developed for the Zonda at Rome:

Springs: 10.8/10.7
Ride: 55/70
Damper B: 4/5
Damper R: 10/9
Camber: 2.7/1.5
Toe: -0.5/+1.0
Stabs: 5/5
Brakes: 17/19
LSD I: 15
LSD A: 30
LSD D: 15
Gears: adjusted the Final to 3.779, Autoset left at Stock
Downforce:0.29/0.50
ASM:0
TCS:0
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Ta sukerkin, I used your setup and won the Italian Avant Garde Championship straight off without any probs.:)

I had to wait until the 3rd lap when the tyres were worn before the car suited my driving style.

chaser_fan
 
Originally posted by sukerkin
Hi Chaser_fan

I'm pleased that the set-up was of help to you - the Zonda really flies when you master her dosen't she :)?
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Actually, yes. Once the tyres were worn a bit she handled very nicely. Off the power early, control the slide with the throttle and when the road straightens up open her up.:)

chaser_fan
 
it is a sucky event too handle if you dont have any good settings but the easiest way i think to do it is to tune the c12s to max and then grind the first 2 90 degree corners (reverse) and it shoots you to the front of the pack. :lol: hehe
 
Originally posted by sukerkin
the Zonda really flies when you master her dosen't she :)?
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sure does, used the setup i posted at LS in arace that is in my sig, 598Hp no TCS and my best lap was a 1:14.217, that was over 225 laps as well;)
 
Posters to this thread have all had their fair share of problems, but let's count ourselves lucky that we haven't had to find out the hard way.

This is how not to drive your C12. This happened last year in Hong Kong, we don't all drive like that here. I'm not sure I'd like to be the one to foot the bill for this prang:eek:
 

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