So, we are Nazi's now?

A joke? Really?

Fox News is the most watch cable news channel in America. It also beat CNN and MSNBC combined during the 2004 election.

How is it the "Right's propaganda"? In ever political discussion, both Republican and Democratic (when the Dems bother to show up) are represented. How is that GOP-TV?

What is the "real" news? Is it how you think it should be reported?



On Tuesday night, I was switching between Fox and CNN. Fox had stories about a terrorist car bomb in Iraq, the Scott Peterson case, Bush's new cabinet leaders, social security reform, etc. On the other hand, you know what CNN was discussing?

Abu-Ghraib.

For 20 minutes straight, nothing but that. Why? I don't know, nothing new in the investigation. CNN was repeating the six month old story.

And how his that news?
 
Viper Zero
A joke? Really?

Fox News is the most watch cable news channel in America. It also beat CNN and MSNBC combined during the 2004 election.

How is it the "Right's propaganda"? In ever political discussion, both Republican and Democratic (when the Dems bother to show up) are represented. How is that GOP-TV?

What is the "real" news? Is it how you think it should be reported?



On Tuesday night, I was switching between Fox and CNN. Fox had stories about a terrorist car bomb in Iraq, the Scott Peterson case, Bush's new cabinet leaders, social security reform, etc. On the other hand, you know what CNN was discussing?

Abu-Ghraib.

For 20 minutes straight, nothing but that. Why? I don't know, nothing new in the investigation. CNN was repeating the six month old story.

And how his that news?
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I admit. CNN and rest of the news media tend to be favorable to the left. However, I can't agree with you to a point of accusing them of being as biased as Fox News.

Propaganda might been a strong word, but that is the impression most people will get, if you watch "outfoxed"(DVD). Please see it, you'll see where I'm coming from. Also, more watched doesn't mean that the Network is "fair and balanced" news.

You might be surprised, but my views on politics are "right". I think I am an conservative. If I could have voted in November, I'd have voted for Bush. I hate Bush, but I agree with most of his policies(except Iraq, very foolish), and John Kerry was a joke. If Kerry was all Democrats could come up with, they deserve to have lost.

I apologize if you were offended by me calling the FoxNews a joke. But I live in the States too, if you tell someone here, that you heard this or that on the Fox News, only people who will take you seriously are the conservatives. Most will start grinning or roll their eyes, because of Fox's reputation.

Yes, I know the conservative TV/radio shows are more popular. I don't know exactly how that is, because if you look at the elections and polls, you'll see that divide of the right and left are more balanced, but when it comes to show ratings, liberals get killed! I heard from my favorite local conservative talk-show host Lars Larsen that about 1/3(I think) of his listeners are liberals. In my opinion, I think conservative shows are just more entertaining.
 
Viper Zero
Fox News is the most watch cable news channel in America. It also beat CNN and MSNBC combined during the 2004 election.
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So, the right wing propaganda station was the most viewed, and the right wing candidate won...

Viper Zero
On Tuesday night, I was switching between Fox and CNN. Fox had stories about a terrorist car bomb in Iraq, the Scott Peterson case, Bush's new cabinet leaders, social security reform, etc. On the other hand, you know what CNN was discussing?

Abu-Ghraib.

For 20 minutes straight, nothing but that. Why? I don't know, nothing new in the investigation. CNN was repeating the six month old story.

And how his that news?
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What's wrong with recapping a major story? Some people may have missed out on some parts of the Abu Ghraib story, and this provides them with an excellent oppurtunity to catch up on the news. Fox on the other hand, is reporting on things that are reported on every newscast in North America.
 
Ev0
What's wrong with recapping a major story? Some people may have missed out on some parts of the Abu Ghraib story, and this provides them with an excellent oppurtunity to catch up on the news. Fox on the other hand, is reporting on things that are reported on every newscast in North America.
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Whatever. You know exactly what they're trying to do.

What is there to miss about Abu-Ghraib? What color underwear did the terrorists wear on their heads? Boxers or briefs?

The Liberal media (CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, New York Times, etc.) want to pound everything wrong with the fight against terrorism so, that the public turns on the government like in Vietnam. They will do everything to compare the war in Iraq with Vietnam.

When nothing "wrong" is happening in Iraq, the Liberal media will replay Abu-Ghraib over and over again and pass it of as "news".
 
Viper Zero
Whatever. You know exactly what they're trying to do.

The Liberal media ... New York Times
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There's still a difference in levels of journalism and objectivity. From the articles I've read so far, I find that the New York Times very often very successfully represents a story from all angles without inserting an opinion of its own. FoxNews does this too while reporting news, though more so on its website than on the actual channel. FoxNews TV has a hand of considerably dumbing down the issues and presentation of news items, which is understandable and happens on many channels (but not on all and it personally just makes me want to read a newspaper - in 15 minutes you can read a day's worth of TV news, and the horrible makeup of both male and female presenters alone turns me off). But often enough they present the story as it is. However, the personal opinion of the presenters is pretty clear, and then of course there are the columns of certain individuals. The fact that it's popular, well ... in the UK the Sun and the Daily Mirror are also very popular.

In my experience, New York Times is a great source of objective news. I compare a lot of newspapers, channels and sources, and if I want a reliable angle, the New York Times has so far not disappointed me. I suspect you'd classify them as liberal perhaps based on some of their opinion articles or columns, or on the fact that it's called New York Times and New York is probably considered a liberal stronghold. But I've never seen it get in the way of their newsreports. And I would be interested to see if the nytimes posts columns as brutally offensive and suggestive to any faction in the world as that one, even if they were based on fact. Perhaps you can prove me wrong.
 
Viper Zero
Whatever. You know exactly what they're trying to do.

What is there to miss about Abu-Ghraib? What color underwear did the terrorists wear on their heads? Boxers or briefs?

The Liberal media (CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, New York Times, etc.) want to pound everything wrong with the fight against terrorism so, that the public turns on the government like in Vietnam. They will do everything to compare the war in Iraq with Vietnam.

When nothing "wrong" is happening in Iraq, the Liberal media will replay Abu-Ghraib over and over again and pass it of as "news".
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If CNN's intention is to turn people against Bush and his government by focusing on Abu Ghraib, then they must be targeting complete and utter morons. Anyone who decides to change their opinion on Bush and the American involvement in Iraq based on the actions of a handful of idiotic soldiers is stupid. It's not like the government ordered those soldiers to humiliate the prisoners.
 
Ev0
If CNN's intention is to turn people against Bush and his government by focusing on Abu Ghraib, then they must be targeting complete and utter morons. Anyone who decides to change their opinion on Bush and the American involvement in Iraq based on the actions of a handful of idiotic soldiers is stupid. It's not like the government ordered those soldiers to humiliate the prisoners.
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The American Government is gay. You should know that now. CNN is one of the most censored and biased news networks ever conceived of, next to some Taliban propaganda crap perhaps. CNN is a master of sparking controversy. They will display anything that captures your attention- usually something you hate or something you love. By fueling two fighting fires they can guarantee themselves viewers, and bringing out opinions, which in turn give CNN high ratings and brings political interest to America. They probably wouldn't give a damn otherwise.
 
PublicSecrecy
The American Government is gay.
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Governments have sexual preferences now?

PublicSecrecy
CNN is one of the most censored and biased news networks ever conceived of, next to some Taliban propaganda crap perhaps. CNN is a master of sparking controversy. They will display anything that captures your attention- usually something you hate or something you love. By fueling two fighting fires they can guarantee themselves viewers, and bringing out opinions, which in turn give CNN high ratings and brings political interest to America.
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Replace Fox News with CNN and your statement will be more accurate. CNN is biased, yes, but there are much, much more biased news sources out there. And as for displaying things that capture people's attention, isn't that what every mainstream news source does?
 
Arwin
The fact that it's popular, well ... in the UK the Sun and the Daily Mirror are also very popular.
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Daily Mirror? Is that the one where they called everyone who voted for Bush "dumb". Hmmm, yeah real objective.


In my experience, New York Times is a great source of objective news. I compare a lot of newspapers, channels and sources, and if I want a reliable angle, the New York Times has so far not disappointed me. I suspect you'd classify them as liberal perhaps based on some of their opinion articles or columns, or on the fact that it's called New York Times and New York is probably considered a liberal stronghold. But I've never seen it get in the way of their newsreports. And I would be interested to see if the nytimes posts columns as brutally offensive and suggestive to any faction in the world as that one, even if they were based on fact. Perhaps you can prove me wrong.
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I guess being objective is running Abu-Grahib articles on the front page, top fold, for 53 days straight.

If CNN's intention is to turn people against Bush and his government by focusing on Abu Ghraib, then they must be targeting complete and utter morons. Anyone who decides to change their opinion on Bush and the American involvement in Iraq based on the actions of a handful of idiotic soldiers is stupid. It's not like the government ordered those soldiers to humiliate the prisoners.
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I hope not. You would think people are smarter than that, but that is what CNN does. Moron and Liberal seems to be a match made in heaven to me.

Every mistake made by Bush, no mater how small, they will pound and pound away at it. Let's say Kerry made a little boo-boo, oh no, it's the Conservitive attack dogs again! Pay no attention.
 
We all know America has been ****ed up since Bush, but we dont kill babies in our hospitals.
Oh wait...yeah we do.
Any American in this thread stating how terrible this baby killing problem is (which it is) has to take a hard look at our country. We abort babies by the hundreds.
 
The site self-censors, just like our govt.
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You can slice it any which way you want but while you are using this site, you stick to the rules just like everyone else.
 
Viper Zero
Arwin
The fact that it's popular, well ... in the UK the Sun and the Daily Mirror are also very popular.
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Daily Mirror? Is that the one where they called everyone who voted for Bush "dumb". Hmmm, yeah real objective.
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That was rather Arwin's point.

The Sun and Daily Mirror are very popular tabloid newspapers in the UK. They are, at best, facile, sensationalist and breast-size obsessed.

Popularity does not beget accuracy.
 
Viper Zero
I hope not. You would think people are smarter than that, but that is what CNN does. Moron and Liberal seems to be a match made in heaven to me.

Every mistake made by Bush, no mater how small, they will pound and pound away at it. Let's say Kerry made a little boo-boo, oh no, it's the Conservitive attack dogs again! Pay no attention.
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Coming from a city that is about as Liberal as you can get, I see what you mean by your first statement. Toronto is teeming with idiots who voted Liberal 3 times in a row, despite the fact that Chretien did absolutely nothing to improve the country. And don't get me started on the voters in the Ontario provincial elections. The only real difference is that while the American media attacks the mistakes made by politicians, Canadians tend to ignore allegations of corruption.

So, I guess it seems CNN is targeting the right demographic...
 
Madison is the same way, Ev0. Every time Bush so much as stubles down a step, there are political cartoons for weeks with a carichature(sp?) of Bush making an ass of himself doing something. I've seen maybe three "conservative" cartoons since the election, and all of them have generated bags of letters to the editor.
 

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