Gillet Vertigo or Chaparrel 2J?

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In real-life Chaparral's often had two-speed automatic gearboxes. Presumably PD found two gears just too insufferable, and so allowed three. You can't buy an alternate gearbox to change that. But they do model a lot of low speed torque, and a wide range of torque (flat torque curve), so that the car can be used quite comfortably. It helps to adjust the gears a little, perhaps ideally adjusting them for each track, but while it rarely gets snaps of acceleration, it has a strong steady push even at relatively low revs.

I won my first (so far only) 200 A-spec point race in the Chaparral 2J. (World Circuit Race at Infineon; well, I'm ignoring any I won with the Dodge Ram). Apart from anything else, the extreme downforce causes it to be very easy on tires. (Um, perhaps that's not realistic, but that's how the physics model seems to work...) I don't think the Vertigo has 200pt potential, though I see some indication it drives better than watching the AI would make you think it drives. :)
 
The 2J had 3 gears, theres no mistake in the game, 1 geared cars in GT games have had 1 gear 2 geared cars have had 2 ect. They haven't compromised. And the downforce stops the car spinning it's tyres as much, so yes they don't wear as much.
 
And the Prius, with infinitely variable ratios in real life has seven distinct ratios in the game. :p (But thanks for the info).
 
I love both chapparals, but the boxy one is really really neat:cool: Plus you can defeat stupid Suzuki's in the mini cup in professional hall with it. Not for many a spec points though...:irked:
 
Niels
Chill out m8:odd: Is it that important to you?
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Not really. Just exposing my ideas as everyone else here.

GeorgeMorley
Stop over-reacting.
SHEESH
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You are the one that sent an over-reacting pm calling me a "stupid arsehole" :nervous:

Transferring Niels' words to you: Chill out m8.
 
Wow Dimitrov! Did he really do that? Clearly he's unfamiliar with the AUP which states that personal attacks are not acceptable! I'd forward his PM on to one of the moderating staff if I were you!

He's not got a great track record here, as you'd expect from someone who had to include
GeorgeMorley
Ps MODS dont lock this thread :grumpy:
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in his first post, since he's created 15 threads already, having only joined in March, and has had 9 of those locked already! :ouch:

I've been on here almost 2 years now, and have only created 20 threads, not one of which has been locked, except my race report link dump which I personally requested be locked!

@GeorgeMorely please click on the link to the AUP above, read, learn and act on it. :cheers:
 
Ahhhhh I may aswell leave this forum now, before i cause anymore crap :nervous:
 
Dimitrov
You may actually answer better than that.

How old are you? You know that simplifying things like "Who was the best driver ever - Senna or Schumi" is NOT a proper way to get a decent answer.

A better car on what? Speed? Handling? Noise? Balance? Fun?

I think my Fully Tuned Blaster Master über-maxibest Isuzu Piazza is the best (after AE86, oc) for handling.

This is my answer and you WILL NOT adopt the XE as your car. You know why? Because it seems that you bought your game yesterday and don't even know WHAT the game is and have not suffered to earn licenses, break records, fine tune your automobiles. Probably you downloaded cheat codes, inserted thousands of zillions of 6,02 x 10^23 currencies in your GT4 and now is asking us what is the better car.

Please, George Morley, CHOOSE IT. Buy both. Make endurances. EARN the knowledge yourself.

You will be a worse player if you don't. But a kick-ass toptimer if you stop, breathe, READ and PLAY.

Tell us your experience later.
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I am sorry about the Pm but I did'nt understand that post above, well not the midle bit anyway
 
You don't have to leave. People do learn from their mistakes. ;)

Ok, you may have a few more locked threads than some people, but if you think that little bit more when you post, listen to people's advice (especialy the mods), learn from your mistakes, you will become a better member.

If that PM to Dimitrov is true, that isn't the way to go about things. You'll just get yourself banned if he reports you, or get a serious warning, and that isn't a good thing if you want to say and contribute.

Think that little bit more before you act, and you'll get somewhere.

Now, lets try and get back onto topic...
 
GeorgeMorley
I am sorry about the Pm but I did'nt understand that post above, well not the midle bit anyway
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Ok, George. I will explain my post

me
You may actually answer better than that.
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General Racing, you answered. Ok, You are a new guy in GTP and may not be used with the default behavior in here. But sometime (very soon, I expect) you will realize that all this community is full of maniacs, nerds, cockpit builders, more nerds, people that have 4 playstations, people that tatooes GT logos in their wrists and way more types-R of people that I cannot remember in this particular moment.

Well, you and I are in this group and you should probably know that we all love huge explanations, sortings, methods, tables, enumerations, classifications and serious discussion about GT.

Some Girlfriend
When will you grow up???
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Never. And the majority of frequent posters here also behave like that. A simple answer like "General Racing" pisses lots of people. We are always avid to see an intrigating question about the car X with Y tires drifting uphill in nurburgring. Perhaps you can use your creativity to make better posts, better questions and better thoughts.

We are a little bored by "What car is best?", "How many money do you have", "How many percentage?", "List all your cars" threads. So if you want to contribute better to this fellowship of the nurburgring, please consider that.


me
Probably you downloaded cheat codes, inserted thousands of zillions of 6,02 x 10^23 currencies in your GT4 and now is asking us what is the better car.
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I was a little rude here. Sorry.

me
You will be a worse player if you don't. But a kick-ass toptimer if you stop, breathe, READ and PLAY.
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That's the message I want to transmit to everyone. I hate wallriders, hate cheaters, hate everykind of people that blows a game (specially online games) with cheating.
Someday we will race mano-a-mano in GT4 Online and I expect to race a lot of good drivers here, including you.
 
We'll let's not add to that and let's get this back on topic, it seems like Dimitrov is on a level with you, any further discussion on that matter would be better done in the privatre via the PM system ;).

I still race the 2J as being not just a bit better than the Vertigo, but a hell of a lot better than it.
 
GeorgeMorley
Ahhhhh I may aswell leave this forum now, before i cause anymore crap :nervous:
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You don't need to leave. What you do need to do is settle down, get over your excitement about GT4 and the internet in general, and take the time to actually read the information that is already available.

We have 80,000+ members here; maybe 5,000 have posted actively. This forum contains millions of posts. Don't you think there is a slight chance that some question that's just popped into your head might have come up before?

Your threads get locked because many of them have readily available answers, if you'd have bothered to look before you asked. Others get locked because they are pointless other than to demonstrate your breathless excitement about GT4 and about seeing your own words in print.

Posting new threads like a caffeinated monkey with ADD is not a great way to fit into an established community. So simply sit back, relax, and read what's already here. You should be able to come on and say truhfully that you've looked up your question, and read the answers, and you have a further question based on that knowledge. Preferably you should ask it in an existing thread on the topic. That's how you keep people from getting irritated at you.
 
Duke
Posting new threads like a caffeinated monkey with ADD is not a great way to fit into an established community.
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:lol: Duke! That's excellent! I think my sides have split! :lol:
A meagre quantity of reputation points (as many as I'm worth anyway!) are headed your way for that 1 sentence alone! :lol:

Anyway, back on topic, since I've nowhere near enough cash to think about purchasing the Gillet or the Chapparal, I can't really offer an opinion on which one drives better, although, on looks alone I'd have to opt for the Gillet, the Chapparal is ugly with a capital UGL! :dunce:
 
How can you say it's ugly smallhorses, the design is very nostalgic to me as it looks like my Dad's old Hi-Fi with the brushed aluminium fascia, with my mum's old washing machine bolted to the front. When the vehicle gets air at Seattle, the satiisfaction is to land it, without getting a face full of armco (although its rare to acheive this).
 
The 2J is much quicker than the vertigo and handles better. So for everything the 2J is always better than the vertigo. Fully tune the 2J, get the settings from Duċk's setup workshop Click Here and there you are.

Hope this helps
:) 👍
Cheers

T4 GTR
 
So shall I get the Chapparel? , more people are reccomendig that now
 
Yeah do that it's a pretty cool car:)

For the topic and flame part in this thread, aint it a bit harsh. Dimitri, you might have a point that it's a useless thread or whatever, but instead of just saying it's useless you begin with a bible of a post flaming at the thread starter. You then go off topic and suddenly talk about cheating:odd: and then in your second post for explaination you say:

maniacs, nerds, cockpit builders, more nerds, people that have 4 playstations, people that tatooes GT logos in their wrists and way more types-R of people that I cannot remember in this particular moment.
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You are the one that cant control himself over a little subject m8, your blowing this all way out of proportion:dunce:
What I'm seeing is a kid totally frutrated because someone just made a post to compare 2 cars:irked:
 
I remember a race where the Chapparel 2J keep whippin my but,I've never driven this car but in the race it looked very fast and seemed to handle very well.I think I'm going to win some money and go buy my own 2J.
 
GeorgeMorley
So shall I get the Chapparel? , more people are reccomendig that now
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Yes, the Vertigo is good but it's not in same league as the Chapparel. most of the people reccomending the Vertigo probably haven't used the 2J simply because of it's dodgy looks.
 
Ok I bought the 2J it's not very impressive until you put high end racing tires on it,and the resell value really sucks 1,200,000 for the car 250,000 for resell.It is very fun with super soft race tires
 
I have to say that the Chaparral 2J is the pits. One of the illest-handling cars in GT4. On some short and/or smooth tracks it can be fairly quick (Tsukuba or Fuji), but overall it stinks. Having only three gears is the worst thing imaginable. Set the gearing too tall and that thing takes an hour to start rolling while in first gear. The wheelbase is too darn short. I've spent hours trying suspension settings to work decently on bumpy tracks and found it to be useless. It looks cool, but other than that avoid it like a plague.

The Gillet is a dog of a car. Even the name is obnoxious. Slow due to lack of hp and tire-eating. But it handles decently and can be driven effortlessly at all tracks. You'll still come in next-to-last, but much easier to drive than the ill-handling 2J.

I would say the lesser of the two evils is the Gillet.
 
The 2J can take on many of the 3.5 mill+ car's, and you think it's the pit's. It's a hell of a lot faster round [iany[/i] track then the Vertigo, the Vertigo has far too little downforce to corner at decent speeds, cornering is where to 2J shines, sure you need to get used to it, it's not every day you ge to drive a car that get's sucked to the ground by a pair of huge fans but when you do it corners like stink. As for bumpy tracks, the benefit of the fans is lessened but it's still far better than the Vertigo, if you try to go over bumps faster than you should, ofcourse it'll cause you problems but I've taken the 2J succesfully around the ring, I can beat the GT All Stars races in the 2J which is a damn sight more than I can beat in the Vertigo. I thionk the 2J is the best car for around 1,000,000-1,250,000 in the game, it's 1.2 million and the Vertigo is only 1, so what, the Vertigo is the worst 1 million car in the game.
 
I took the 2J to El Capitan Reverse once (All-American Championship, actually), and amusing things happen if you take that hill before the tunnel too aggressively.
 
SportWagon
I took the 2J to El Capitan Reverse once (All-American Championship, actually), and amusing things happen if you take that hill before the tunnel too aggressively.
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Mayby a bit off-topic but that part of the El Capitan reverse is a hilarious place to test your suspension. Take a fast saloon car (skyline or similar) and try to drive the section from uphill to under the bridge flatout. With a correct (not the best) line through it can be done. It's a funny feeling when most of the time you only have one or two wheels touching the tarmac. :)
 
I recently tested the vertigo again and found it to be a much better car than I thought when initial testing was done (about a year ago when I bought the game).

Now that I've noticed this thread I am going to dedicate myself to getting a few clean laps in both cars and reporting my findings.

Hopefully I will be back with those findings before the end of the day tomorrow. 👍

Until then,
:trouble:
 

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