Grand Theft Auto IV

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*McLaren*
I'm not so sure of this. It is quite convincing in one way, but it also smells a little fishy. I'm leaning towards this being someone's idea of how things will be different and deciding to make everybody else believe it out of pure boredom.

I'd wait a while before swallowing this pill. GTA4.net and PlanetGrandTheftAuto haven't posted anything in relation to this, and I consider, particularly the former of the two, to be the most reliable GTA IV sources on the internet.

I'd be a little disappointed if this is how things will be in GTA IV, to be honest.
 
Or maybe it's just because since the game takes place over a fairly small area there is little point, or little realism in having airplanes available to use?
Is having airplanes to fly any more or less realistic than having helicopters available to fly?
donbenni
Yes i can picture the news articles on that <snip> "A computer game that encourages children to reconstruct the 9/11 suicide bombings"... see the 'selling porno to kids' example from a recent similarly-ridiculous article quote.
Like that "mission" in GTA3 where you have sex with a prostitute and then kill her to get your money back! I always wondered where that mission was, because I keep reading about it in anti-GTA screeds, but have yet to find it myself. Can anyone help me out?


KM.
 
Like that "mission" in GTA3 where you have sex with a prostitute and then kill her to get your money back! I always wondered where that mission was, because I keep reading about it in anti-GTA screeds, but have yet to find it myself. Can anyone help me out?

KM.

Well you can do that at any time in any of the recent games i thought.

That forum post about the "real" details of GTA4 is interesting. It certainly all looks plausible.
 
Well you can do that at any time in any of the recent games i thought.
You can, but it comes up from time to time in anti-GTA articles where it's something that's required as part of the game, or something you're meant to do to get "bonus points" or some other nonsense. I don't think I've ever done the prostitute/kill/money thing, but to read some of the crap out there, it's something that's meant to be done as part of playing the game.


KM.
 
Yeah i know what you mean. I kind of always assumed that they were just misinformed/making it up. Every article i've ever read about GTA seems to pin point certain things that i don't really associate with the game. This using+killing prostitutes thing is something that's just kind of irrelevant to me, i really don't think it should be used as a summary of the game like some writers do.
 

I don&#8217;t buy it. It seems plausible, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s how it will turn out.

I'd be a little disappointed if this is how things will be in GTA IV, to be honest.

Ditto. The main character has always been a crim before in his life in GTA games, if you&#8217;re playing as a guy who decides to go into crime out of depression and for the heck of it&#8230; well, it just seems wrong.
 
KM
Is having airplanes to fly any more or less realistic than having helicopters available to fly?
It's isn't any more or less realistic. It's the necessity that counts. And while GTA isn't exactly all about necessity (that's what makes the game so great), it would certainly affect the feel and the make up of the Liberty City of GTA 4. That's the way that Rockstar and Dan Houser see it, and I'm happy with that.
Jay
It appears another preview of sorts is coming from PSM3 in early May.

http://aycu32.webshots.com/image/135...3505220_rs.jpg
First images? I thought there were images in the Game Informer preview? Unless they're talking about PS3 specific images..

As for the whole "mission" on having sex with and killing prostitutes, that's just more of the same ridiculous claims from the anti-GTA/anti-video-game-violence crowd. Remember that whole "selling porn to children" thing? Pssht.
 
First images? I thought there were images in the Game Informer preview? Unless they're talking about PS3 specific images..

Yeah maybe first PS3 screens (although the official Playstatin magazine will have a PS3 preview first in early may) but I know at the time PSM3 first published that magazine even the trailer had not even been released yet, so they probably was not entirely aware yet of what was going on and wrote that as magazine hype.
 
donbenni
...see the 'selling porno to kids' example from a recent similarly-ridiculous article quote.

Like that "mission" in GTA3 where you have sex with a prostitute and then kill her to get your money back! [snip] I don't think I've ever done the prostitute/kill/money thing, but to read some of the crap out there, it's something that's meant to be done as part of playing the game.

This using+killing prostitutes thing is something that's just kind of irrelevant to me, i really don't think it should be used as a summary of the game like some writers do.


As for the whole "mission" on having sex with and killing prostitutes, that's just more of the same ridiculous claims from the anti-GTA/anti-video-game-violence crowd. Remember that whole "selling porn to children" thing? Pssht.

:lol: What goes around...

So it's agreed. "Selling porn to kids" and "using+killing prostitutes" is material used by the media to give GTA a worse name than it deserves. The problem being that people who read the articles and haven't played the games will actually believe it.
 
Is having airplanes to fly any more or less realistic than having helicopters available to fly?

Yes the ability to fly planes around a single city (or city area) is unrealistic. Helicopters are frequently used to fly across cities. A lot of tall buildings have heli pads on top for this very reason. They don't have runways on top of buildings do they?
 
Awesome!, but I think that most of the questions that I have, will certainly be asked by someone else. :-/
 
An interesting article about violence in video games like GTA:

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/gadgets_and_gaming/article1668540.ece

Not happy with the summary of GTA at the bottom though. What is this obsession with GTA being a game about sex? I don't even consider it part of the game, let alone a defining feature.

Agreed, apart from the sex industry's obvious links to the criminal underworld and therefore featured in a game which happens to be based around the criminal underworld - sex doesn't really feature in the games. I've played and mostly completed GTAIII, GTA Vice City, GTA San Andreas and GTA Liberty City Stories without ever utilizing any prostitutes that wander the streets. Not even to see what happens out of curiosity.
 
Prostitution will probably be taken out of GTA: IV.


I'm a good boy afterall. :)

lol thats was a good one ;) 👍

like TS said, you did so many "bad" things in that game so in the end youre going to be a goond boy with the prostitutes...:D
 
I haven't been quite up to date with this game lately.

Can anyone fill me in on any new info from magazines or GTAForums?
 
*McLaren*
I haven't been quite up to date with this game lately.

Can anyone fill me in on any new info from magazines or GTAForums?
Just scroll through GTA4.net and check there every once in a while. Most reliable and efficient source.
 
Game informer Q&A is done, with new info.


www.gta4.net
Last week, Game Informer invited GTA fans to ask questions about their recent experience at R*. Game Informer's Andrew Reiner, the only journalist so far to have seen Grand Theft Auto IV in action, promised to answer as many of your questions as he can. The answers are in...

(Interesting points: There are no airplanes in GTA IV, but flying remains a big part of the game. This means you will be able to fly helicopters. Niko can also climb telephone poles, it seems.)

Kobe Asks: I heard that you can&#8217;t fly in Liberty City anymore. What is up with that?! Flying is one of my favorite parts of this series!

This is incorrect. There are no airplanes in the game, but flying is still there. One means of this is the helicopter. As Dan pointed out, this is just one city and a plane really doesn&#8217;t fit into that very well for gameplay. Flying is still very much a large part of the game.

Did you see any female pedestrians? Are there any good looking chicks?

Sigh.... Truth be told, I&#8217;m curious why anyone would want to know this. Is this really one of the top questions? If my memory serves me correctly, I don&#8217;t recall myself thinking &#8220;man, that chick is banging&#8221; or &#8220;I find myself strangely attracted to this game&#8221;, but I can confirm that there are female pedestrians in the game. There&#8217;s a ton of &#8216;em, too. They shop. They talk. They even wear clothing.

Did you see some indication of seasons (winter, summer, spring...)?

Sadly, the demo that Rockstar presented was only about 15 minutes in length. Time of day definitely progresses, but whether it progresses throughout an entire calendar year remains to be seen.

How is the AI? Are the enemies smarter? Can they find cover?

This is another area that Rockstar is keeping under wraps at the moment. I can, however, tell you that I saw a truck driver swerve onto the sidewalk right in front of where we were walking. This strange little incident also took the Rockstar representatives by surprise. It almost looked like the driver was drunk, but then again, he could have just been in a hurry too.

Is it possible to climb on a ladder?

I didn&#8217;t see Niko climb a ladder, per se, but I did see him ascend a telephone pole to get a bird&#8217;s eye view of Liberty City. He didn&#8217;t climb up it like a gorilla, however. He simply pulled himself up on the series of rungs on the pole. This feat was actually quite impressive. You could clearly see his weight transfer from side to side as he moved up the pole.

Can you speak with other pedestrians on the street?

Niko seemed to have other things on his mind than talk with pedestrians. The people we passed, however, were very vocal.

Chester Asks: What was the first mission in the game, and what was you first word when you saw this new game?

I didn&#8217;t get to see the first mission in the game, but if I had to guess, I would imagine it would have something to do with the taxi stand that Niko&#8217;s cousin runs. As for my first word&#8230;I can&#8217;t print it here, but I did follow it up with &#8220;Oh my God!&#8221;

Matt Asks: Did it seem to you like Liberty City was an authentically sized city? A problem that I had with San Andreas was that you could drive to a coast in two minutes. Do you think it will be different this time?

Great question. In terms of scale, it definitely feels more like a realistic city. It feels you are traversing New York City. As you&#8217;ve seen in the trailer, there are a number of ways to traverse this massive area.

We didn't see any boats in the trailer, what can you tell us about them?

Dan wouldn&#8217;t go into specifics on this one, but the only type of vehicle he said that wouldn&#8217;t be in the game was the airplane. So this should point to boats still being a part of the GTA experience.

What can you say about the graphics quality? Can you compare the trailer to the game, is the trailers quality better or worse?

Rockstar is still putting polish on the graphics. The demo I saw was definitely a step up from the trailer&#8230;which is kind of ridiculous given how great it looked already.

Can you buy properties like you could in Vice City?

Again, no specifics were given, but Dan did say that this isn&#8217;t a game of real estate, or from rags to riches. I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if you eventually do find new places to call home, but it sounds to me like properties might be handled in a different way &#8211; perhaps tied to moments in the story.

Will there be girlfriends like in San Andreas? If yes, can you marry them?

What is with you people and your woman-related questions. Yes, there are girlfriends. I forgot to ask if you could marry them.

Zhooles Asks: Unusual vehicles. Will be there any and if will, name them please.

Rockstar wouldn&#8217;t reveal anything in the demo, but strange vehicles are very much a part of the GTA experience. Dan said that much of the game revolves around Niko. I have a feeling that the choice of the vehicles does as well.

Aaron Hall Asks: Rockstar have said that the cars in GTA IV will have all new physics to them and the camera will be closer to allow a better driving perspective of cruising Liberty city and seeing more detail on the cars.Could you please elaborate on the experience of driving best as possible and what&#8217;s new to the experience? Thanks.

From what I was shown, the only new element was breaking the window of the car to get in. The animation for this was awesome, and something I wish I had seen more than once. The car I saw was newer in make &#8211; which was evidenced in both the beautiful crimson sheen and suspension that handled pot holes and variances in the road with ease. Now, I only saw one car, but it really did have that new car look to it. It&#8217;ll be interesting to see how Rockstar handles the shocks and struts for other vehicles in the game.

If I had to give a comparison, I would say that the new camera angle positioning is more like Midnight Club now. It&#8217;s closer, allowing the player to see more of the minute detailing on the car, and also lower, allowing you to see more of the horizon and verticality of the city.

Alex Sheridan Asks: As far as the surrounding area of Liberty City goes, what can we expect to see in things such as countryside relative to San Andreas?

From what I am told, you will not see countryside like you did in San Andreas. I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised, however, if the expanded content that Rockstar is planning through Xbox Live will offer new areas to explore. I can definitely see them adding a fifth borough to Liberty City, but outside of this, anything is possible.

Have you seen members of any mobs in the game? If yes, which? Is new Liberty City a detailed copy of NY, or just is looking like it? Are there houses enterable without loading?

I didn&#8217;t see any mob members, but that doesn&#8217;t mean they aren&#8217;t there. Rockstar didn&#8217;t reveal everything to me. There&#8217;s still a lot of the game that remains blanketed in mystery. It is GTA, however, so I would be shocked if a mob or two or three weren&#8217;t involved. As for your second question, Liberty City is modeled after New York City, but it isn&#8217;t a copy, per se. As Dan pointed out in the magazine, the real world isn&#8217;t fun. You can&#8217;t just throw in the city and expect gameplay to emerge from that. There are certainly recognizable parts to it, but the gameplay comes first.

Sacha Asks: Will characters from earlier GTAs appear in the game?

Rockstar wouldn&#8217;t say outright, but from the smile that Dan Houser gave me, I would say there&#8217;s a good possibility of crossover.

Bobby Swansom Asks: Will the player have to go to the gym and eat right as in GTA:SA?

It doesn&#8217;t sound like Niko is the sort of person who does a lot of working out to staying in shape. From this, don&#8217;t expect him to have to work out to stay slim. As for eating, I doubt we&#8217;ll see him doing that, either. The one thing I am not sure of is whether or not he can get haircuts or buy clothing.

J Asks: Is it true that there's no load time?

I didn&#8217;t see one load in the entire demo, and this included visiting two interiors at different points on the map.

Marcus Asks: What was the phone like?

The graphic for the phone wasn&#8217;t finished just yet, so I won&#8217;t go into the detail on that, but it seemed that the interface was very simple in design and easy to use. Truth be told, it looked like a real cell phone. We just have to see if it drops as many calls as a real phone.

Brenny Asks: Is it still the same three cars over and over again like previous games we've seen?

I&#8217;m not sure which GTA you&#8217;ve played, but I have always had more than three cars to choose from. There&#8217;s a good chance you&#8217;ll see more taxi cabs than usual, but if anything, there should be plenty of rides to choose from.

Gary S Writes: How are the graphics and how far is the draw distance in the game ?

The visuals are tremendous and easily some of the best I have seen. What&#8217;s scary about this statement is that Rockstar North is still improving upon the visuals. There&#8217;s little question that it will be one of the best looking games come this holiday. As for the draw distance, I didn&#8217;t see one building, car, streetlamp, or pedestrian pop up. The framerate was also incredibly smooth and the lighting really couldn&#8217;t have been much better.

Isaac "Sculay" Hussain Asks: Will there be a Xbox 360 Demo?

Rockstar hasn&#8217;t announced anything yet, but I have a feeling most people will pick this game up whether they play it in advance or not.

A Canadian Asks: I just wanted to know when GTA IV for Xbox 360 will be in stores in Quebec, Canada.

Nope. Rockstar specifically told me that Quebec is the one location on earth that won&#8217;t be getting GTA IV. Actually, I have no idea. Call your store to find out.

Matthew James Asks: Compared to previous GTA titles, how big is GTA IV?

I already talked a lot about the city, so I will answer this question like it is being asked about the length of the game itself. I asked Dan this, and he said it should be comparable to all the other GTA games, but they don&#8217;t know exactly how long it is since the game is still in development. In other words, you&#8217;ll still be able to vest hundreds of hours. The multiplayer component, which is still a mystery, could greatly expand the time you spend with it too.

http://www.gta4.net/news/index.php
 
Sorry if this has already been mentioned but I am extremely excited that there will be helicopters in the game!!!

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/782/782954p1.html


"Top of the list is the fact that players can fly across Liberty City, although not in planes. "There are no airplanes in the game but flying is still there," he explained. "One means of this is the helicopter. This is just one city and a plane really doesn't fit into that very well for gameplay. Flying is still very much a large part of the game."--IGN
 
Thats strange about the eating and working out aspect, I would like to see that again with maybe some small changes, good to hear there will be girlfriends though, I wasn't expecting that to make a return.
 
I don't like the idea of marrying girlfriends though, but if the rumors are true that Niko is against prostitution then maybe.....
 
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