Ford EcoBoost: It Will be EcoBoost, All the Way Down

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I know I've mentioned these engines before in the Ford Explorer thread, but Ford has gone into greater detail on these new engines (and their new green/blue future at the brand) with this new video. Hope you enjoy (yes, the guy's voice is really boring).



Autoblog
Though we already miss the Twin-Force name, Ford's newly minted family of turbocharged, direct-inject EcoBoost engines has our curiosity piqued. The first application of an EcoBoost engine will be the twin-turbocharged, direct-inject 3.5L V6 available in the 2009 Lincoln MKS. Ford claims it will produce an estimated 340+ horsepower and 340 ft-lb of torque, so even thought it may be down a couple cylinders on the competition, it will clearly be competitive.

Autoblog reader Joshua found this video on YouTube that demonstrates just how competitive this engine will be. Fast forward to about 6:54 and you'll see Ford engineers take a Taurus mule fitted with the EcoBoost 3.5L V6 and drag race it against a Cadillac STS and BMW 3-Series. We're not entirely sure which engines were powering the competition, but if it were a fair fight than the Cadillac would be fitted with the 320-hp 4.6L Northstar V8 and the BMW with its 300-hp twin-turbo 3.0L inline-six. The Taurus mule has more power of course, but we thought the lighter BMW stood a chance. Apparently not, as after they leave the line and the Taurus exhibits some serious squat, it begins to pull away decisively from the other two.

Now, shoehorn that twin-turbo 3.5L V6 into an all-wheel-drive Fusion. We want SHO, we want SHO!
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I'm madly in love with these new engines, and I pray that GM and Chrysler are doing something along the same lines as well. It goes to show that spending a little money on development can really go a long way in cars like these, making what would otherwise be somewhat "average" into something special.

...I wonder what the LLT (Cadillac's direct-injection version of the LY7) would do with turbocharging too...
 
Chrysler's gonna be behind on the engine development front. They need money, first. I heard that they're "Operationally Bankrupt" on the news a couple months ago.

Taurus "SHO" for the win, though. Geezuz. Good to know Ford's doing so well on the powertrain front. I think I want one.

Makes one wonder what they're gonna do about the Mustang. an EcoBoost mill in there would be all it'd need, but, a FAST V6 Mustang? Furthermore, what would the V8 model do? I mean, they're supposed to have out that "Hurricane" motor...or whatever they call it, and it'd have to have north of 400HP to keep an edge over the EcoBoost V6...or, go the SVO route..
 
I was thinking much the same as well. The one graph compared the power of the EcoBoost 3.5L V6 to the 4.6L V8 in the Mustang, so obviously something has to be done there. Personally speaking though, I'd be much happier with the EcoBoost than the so-so modular V8 in most applications, but not in the Mustang.

What is important here is that the Americans finally figured out how to do engines the European way, and its paying off. Sure, I will mourn the day that the small-block is replaced by a turbocharged V6, but I will also celebrate the fact that "we did it," and certainly "done it right." But that turbocharged I4 is what gets me excited the most...

We'll see what happens. I'm worried about Chrysler though, they don't have the capital to keep up.
 
YSSMAN
I know I've mentioned these engines before in the Ford Explorer thread, but Ford has gone into greater detail on these new engines (and their new green/blue future at the brand) with this new video. Hope you enjoy (yes, the guy's voice is really boring).





I'm madly in love with these new engines, and I pray that GM and Chrysler are doing something along the same lines as well. It goes to show that spending a little money on development can really go a long way in cars like these, making what would otherwise be somewhat "average" into something special.

...I wonder what the LLT (Cadillac's direct-injection version of the LY7) would do with turbocharging too...
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WOW

DID YOU SEE THAT TAURUS GO?!

In all seriousness, Ford + twin turbo? I never thought I'd see the day. But my ****ing god am I glad its here. I honestly can't begin to imagine the power numbers that Ford's products will have here soon. 340 (or more)bhp and 340 (or more) torque? That Lincoln is going to be one hot ride. I want one. And me thinks a twin-turbo V6 Mustang would just be the business end of an ass-kicking. And the Focus with a turbo...in the US? SOLD. That makes everyone's favorite baby-eater cool--period.

That drag race in the video was interesting to say the least...you really can see the torque in that Taurus when it takes off.

Ihave goosebumps thinking about the regula-ass Taurus, Edge, and Fusion having the awsome twin-turbo powerplant. I..think...I just wet myself...
 
Pah. Don't make me start on this one.

I was on the team that was developing one of the just two worthy DISI engines in the entire Ford group - the supercharged 3.2litre development of the Jaguar V6 engine slated for 2006MY. The other was when TWR helped bolt a turbo onto the otherwise frankly useless Orbital 3-cylinder DISI engine.

Both of these units were canned for budgetary reasons, even though many, many engineers were screaming and shouting at all the synergies in the force-fed DISI-type engine, and we were being ignored. Result? Ford claimed DISI was 'rubbish' because they didn't want to have to stump up the cash for a blower to go with it, oh, and then VAG release a frankly stonking turboDISI engine family and promptly conquer the planet with it.

*grump*

This stuff is 5 years too late, Ford. Don't get your pet marketeers to stick fluff on it now, you bunch of myopic low-brow neanderthal accountant cocque-munching retards. If you'd have listened to me, you'd be telling both Volkswagen and CAFE where to shove their numbers right now and we'd all be licking daiquiris off the bodies of nubile serving wenches in a bar in the posh part of Dearborn.

Or possibly not, due to indeterminacy/chaos theory/vorsprung durch technik.

/random
 
I'll second JCE:

WOW
DID YOU SEE THAT TAURUS GO!?

I'd be proud to eat babies in a turbo Focus. If Ford can give us that (Giugaro?) Concept mustang with a hopped-up Ecoboost V6, they might have a rocketship on their hands. I like the part about reducing weight. They need that.


I missed Venari's rant. Too little too late, huh? Sadly, that's usually the case with the Ford Motor Company. But still, I feel that it's good news.
 
I'm uncertain if these engines are even destined for Ford Europe at the moment, which is odd as well. Either way, they're an achievement for the North American market, and if they can burn E85, its all the more better.

All Ford (and GM) need to give us is a halfway decent diesel lineup and I'll be set...

BTW: That Taurus mule may in fact be one of the quickest cars in its class, period. I've got no idea which version of the 5er that is, but the internet has been saying that its the Northstar-equipped STS. Thats one fast cookie, and for less than $30K with a fair amount of options too? Yes please!

I want to see what they do with the Fusion... Give me a 300-ish BHP Fusion with AWD and a dual-clutch gearbox (watch the video, they talk about switching everything to dual-clutch boxes), I'm sold. Without a doubt.
 
Like I said earlier, Five me that AWD Fusion, but disconnect the front wheels for proper RS500 BTCC Action, and give me an AWD Focus RS with the same engine.
 
You would think Ford would realize the money maker the Fusion could be with that twin-turbo V6 w/AWD? SVT Fusion anyone? Fastest saloon under $100k in a straight line AND the track? I would literally sell my large duplicate organs to buy one. Anyone need a healthy kidney? :D

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That was an '07 STS with the 4.6L Northstar V8 wasn't it YSS? If thats the case it does 0-60mph in 6.3 seconds...in which case that Taurus was well under 6 seconds. I'd call that insanely fast for a car that cheap.
 
"Lord, Mr. Ford, what have 'ya done?"


:D

Under 6 seconds.. in a cheap car usually thought of as boring. I'd figure that the costs of the new engines would increase price a little, though.
 
I think the SHO Taurus has been brought back from the dead!
Of course didn't we all see this coming? Even before they released a vehicle with the new 3.5L V6, they told us it was force induction and direct injection ready.
 
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I'd figure that the costs of the new engines would increase price a little, though.
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It would be a minimal increase at best, no more than $500 I would think. All things considered, thats still well-below the competition. Well, maybe not. GM would be happy to sell you a W-Body that would sprint at nearly the same rate, but the fuel mileage by comparison would be terrible. Same can be said for the Commodore/G8.

THOUGHT!

The new Falcon chassis is being designed to take the American V6 line, can one assume that the EcoBoost engines show up in Oz as well?
 
YSSMAN

THOUGHT!

The new Falcon chassis is being designed to take the American V6 line, can one assume that the EcoBoost engines show up in Oz as well?
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That is sinister, vile, and most certainly dripping with awesomeness.

I just got happier.
 
YSSMAN

THOUGHT!

The new Falcon chassis is being designed to take the American V6 line, can one assume that the EcoBoost engines show up in Oz as well?
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They still use Turbo I6s in the car, why not do it with the V6?

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wikipedia
Barra 270T
This is the most powerful I6 ever produced by Ford. Going by the officially stated specifications, it is possibly tied as the most powerful stock production I6 in the world (compared to the 360 HP M54 found in the 1400-unit limited production BMW E46 M3 CSL), since the Japanese high-power turbocharged I6's are by historical convention typically given artificially low specifications on paper (usually no more than 280hp). Going by empirically measured performance, the 4.0L 270T exceeds the ~320hp (239kW) output of most stock 2.6L RB26DETT and 3.0L 2JZ-GTE engines. It also has the highest torque of any Australian built engine. It is found in the BA and BF Falcon F6 Typhoon and Tornado and has been in production from 2004. The increase in power is from a Garrett GT3540 turbocharger.
Power is 270 kW / 362 HP @ 5250 rpm
Torque is 550 Nm @ 2000-4000 rpm
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From the look of things, the EcoBoost V6 is almost a direct replacement, and would probably be more efficent and lower-emissions to boot.

EDIT: Watched the video again. Apparently, the Taurus and Flex will be getting the new mill soon after the MKS debuts. SHO time...

also..that Taurus...wow. Best-sounding V6 since the VQ. (given that I havent' really heard a VR, yet)
 
I'd hope a SHO happens as well. Remember that thread I did a while back with the "concept" pictures of an SHO? I hope Ford took notes, because those would be BFA out on the street.

I'd nearly consider an SHO over a Mustang if its as quick and as cheap as I think it is...
 
I just can't believe the possibility of the V6 Mustang with even half of the EcoBoost. A V6 'stang to be proud of?
 
Sorry if I burst any bubbles, but if this is going to be a V8 replacement, wouldn't it be treated as one? Are we sure that they would go around and stuff this under the hood of every car that Ford would never dream of putting a V8 just because it is a V6 now? this could easily not be the case, but maybe ford might want to revive their SVT badges if they were to do such a thing?
 
Well, vehicles obviously destined to have V8s will have them no matter what. I'm sure there will always be a "cheap" V8 option for the Mustang. But with the new Hurricanne/Boss V8 set to debut (probably with direct-injection?), they'll keep a safe distance from the EB3.5L.
 
But are we going to see this engine in a car that doesn't offer the V-8 like maybe the Fusion, unless SVT does something? Are we likely to see the "eco-friendly" engine being used for performance?
 
Clearly even when not in "performance" spec it can do much the same as what other "performance" engines can. Its hard to say... We're still a while from seeing it on the streets.
 
This is my favorite thread evar! I just have to use any excuse to bump it. :D I know, I'm pathetic.
 
I feel like I should have more triumphant news over the EcoBoost setup, but unfortunately, Ford hasn't done a good job of showing us MOAR...

Some interesting stuff that I didn't post before:

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AutoblogGreen
When discussing GTDI technology, Kuzak gave a run-down on the payback times based on fuel savings for various technologies. Disregarding any tax credits which are becoming unavailable on some vehicles as sales increase, a four cylinder hybrid drive-train has a pay-back time of about 11.5 years. A comparable four cylinder diesel has a 7.5 year payback. A four cylinder GTDI will save enough fuel to recover the extra cost in 2.5 years. Those figures are based on gasoline at $2.87/gallon, diesel at $2.90/gallon and 15,000 miles per year of driving...

...All of Ford's GTDI engines will eventually be flex-fuel, although the first 3.5L won't be at launch. The variable boost control and variable valve timing will allow for greater control flexibility and allow the engines to get closer to parity on mileage and have improved performance when running on ethanol as well.
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And some nifty videos of the technology:



 
Will the Flex get AWD?
Also, I have to ask, where in hell did this come from? When did Ford figure out how to figure things out? Its like the total opposite of my 2008 predictions (GM screws everything up, Ford does something right). They just need to not sell Volvo, put one of the Eco Boost engines in a S60 and call it a day.
I also find it particularly entertaining that Ford developed these right after selling Jaguar, when it was plainly obvious that Jag was in need of a good V6 engine.
 
I think its supposed to have the same AWD system from the Taurus/TaurusX... So some kind of Volvo Haldex setup, I believe...
 
YSSMAN
I think its supposed to have the same AWD system from the Taurus/TaurusX... So some kind of Volvo Haldex setup, I believe...
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Wait, really? The Taurus X has a Haldex...will that get theFusion get these engines, and does that have a Haldex as well? I wonder...
 
Wiki isn't specific if it is a Haldex system or not, but given the chassis relationship to their Volvo cousins, I assume that it is. I'm pretty sure it isn't a full-time system...

As for the Fusion, I assume that it uses the same bits and pieces as well. And I'm pretty sure that will get the EcoBoost 2.0L I4, not the 3.5L V6... With the AWD, holy 'S' that will be an awesome car!
 
YSSMAN
Wiki isn't specific if it is a Haldex system or not, but given the chassis relationship to their Volvo cousins, I assume that it is. I'm pretty sure it isn't a full-time system...

As for the Fusion, I assume that it uses the same bits and pieces as well. And I'm pretty sure that will get the EcoBoost 2.0L I4, not the 3.5L V6... With the AWD, holy 'S' that will be an awesome car!
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Don't forget the current Fusion has an AWD model in the SEL V6 trim.
 
Hmmm, though I was under the impression it's the same 4WD system that underpinned the old Mazdaspeed 6. That only makes sense, really.

This engine sounds great, but there's one thing that's been on my mind since; doesn't BMW have basically the same thing going on in the 335? Or am I missing something the Ford has? It doesn't seem like an entirely new idea to me. Either way, I like the sounds of a super-fast Taurus, heh.
 

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