Ford EcoBoost: It Will be EcoBoost, All the Way Down

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Again, only a select few vehicles have direct-injection turbo engines. Only Volkswagen has applied it to "average" cars in the US, and Ford will follow suit by making it affordable and applicable to everyone.

It may be hard to understand the significance of this in the US, but this is HUGE.
 
The only 'average' car they've put it in is the Passat. The GTI isn't too average and the Audi's are a little upmarket to be called 'average.' I think you have to be looking at a 2.0 liter or less turbo engine to be an 'average' car. Certainly that Taurus isn't an average Taurus.

But it will be interesting to see how Ford does with this setup, and especially how the rest of the automotive world follows suit.
 
Isn't this a step down performance wise for the Turbo Falcons? Still a step up greenwise. I can't wait for GM to come out and say they've done the same twin turbo idea to the DIV6 3.6L. And placed it in the Alpha platform :drool:
 
I think that if this were to find it's way into an FPV Falcon, it would have a good bit more boost getting thrown at it.
 
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Isn't this a step down performance wise for the Turbo Falcons? Still a step up greenwise. I can't wait for GM to come out and say they've done the same twin turbo idea to the DIV6 3.6L. And placed it in the Alpha platform :drool:
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Check the first page, I have the specs: 362HP, (270 of those wonky Kilowatts...that's electric power!) which is about where the EcoBoost will be, while being greener and likely lighter. The main sacrifice would be a drop in low-end torque from going I6 to V6 and a drop in displacement.
 
I can only find a 340+hp figure on the first page. And horsepower is animal power! Metric is the way to go, but the one I can not understand is lb ft in torque. How much torque in Nm does it get? That's what I'm worried about, because as it stands the I6 gets more torque than the Ford V8s.
 
That would be about 460 Nm, give or take.

Oh, and metrics FTL. I can grasp and certainly understand the rationality of the 10's system, but I for some reason can't quantify it in my head. Thank God Americans and Anglos continue (for the most part) to use Imperial standards.

(PS: I hear Canada wants to switch back... Come to the dark side!)
 
460Nm would be at least 100Nm less tham you can expect the next FPV F6 to be. They're going to have to up the ante for the FPV Falcon a little.
 
the big move here is fuel economy. out of curiosity, what kind of fuel mileage do those big boosted ford inline sixes get?
 
what kind of fuel mileage do those big boosted ford inline sixes get?
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they don't get good one.. their ridiculously tall 5th and 6th may make it look like so, but they're thirsty engines.
 
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the big move here is fuel economy. out of curiosity, what kind of fuel mileage do those big boosted ford inline sixes get?
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Roughly 11L/100km, just a tiny bit higher than NA, way higher than the ecoboost. Ecoboost does= better fuel economy.
 
For us Yanks, thats 25 MPG, or about what you'd average with your basic Taurus 3.5 anyway. For the Anglos, 31 MPG because yours are bigger. I assume thats big-engined Mondeo territory?
 
Well 270kw, 4.0L capacity, I think that's fairly reasonable economy. I don't know what you mean with the Mondeo territory part, but safe to say that the Falcon turbo 6 outperforms the Mondeo in any guise.
 
I was referring to that would be roundabout where the fuel economy for the biggest petrol engine option would be in the Mondo. According to WhatCar? the 2.5T Titanium X averages 30.4 MPG (thats UK MPG), so right around the same neighborhood.
 
OK. So do you think that's good economy for a 270kw I6? (new FPV model specs not yet released).
 
I'd personally consider it about "average" in that size class. The Taurus isn't exactly class-leading, but its big, and it scores better than the Dodge Charger in my book. I think the only car that matches it is the Pontiac G8 (with the 3.6L LY7), which averages about the same 25 MPG (it may be a little lower?).

The interesting thing is that they all could do a little bit more to squeeze out more power and increase the fuel efficiency by tweaking existing parts, or outright swapping them out with existing technologies. I'd make a fair wage that if they stuck the EcoBoost 3.5L V6 in the Falcon they could knock on the door of 28 + MPG by US standards with the combined cycle. I'd be one to assume that GM could do much the same with the Commodore/G8 by using the LN1 DIG V6 and the six-speed gearbox, or the hybrid system from the VUE Two-Mode, or best of all a diesel option from the CTS.

*sigh*

There is demand for better fuel efficiency, but it isn't strong enough yet. Methinks that if gas reaches $4.00 a gallon consistently, people will start to worry a bit more. We'll see what happens this summer...
 
GM have confirmed that Holden will be getting a VM Motori diesel 2.9L V6 for the Commodore which could produce as much as 180kw and over 500Nm of torque (speculation), and the mileage would be awesome. Just a heads up.
 
YSSMAN
As far as I can recall, Volkswagen and BMW are the only automakers that offer direct-injection/turbocharged engines in the US,
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Mazdaspeed 6 too, I think. I feel like I'm forgetting another one....
 
The Mazdaspeed3 and Mazdaspeed6 both use the same DIG/Turbo engine, and I did completely forget about the Peugeot-powered MINI Cooper S.
 
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Don't forget the CX-7!;)
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Sneaky Mazda and their engine uses...

But yes; Its still revolutionary for an "average" car company like Ford to stick engines like these in their "average" cars meant for "average" people who generally look for an "average" experience.
 
I could've been thinking about the CX-7's, possibly. Now, what Mazda's got going with their direct injection and turbo's are what "EcoBoost" is supposed to be, right? I'm not very impressed with the results produced by the Mazdas. Will Ford's version be much better?
 
I don't think the Mazda system and Ford system are related, but I may be incorrect. I think the Mazda system is meant for performance purposes, but while the Ford certainly works out that way in the end, I think their intent is more or less for efficiency and such.
 
I sure don't see any fuel efficiency from the Mazda engines, so I sure hope you are right.
 
I suppose we should say...did you see the F-150 GO!?!?!

Autoblog
Ford considering four-cylinder EcoBoost for F150
According to sources speaking with Pickuptrucks.com, Ford is considering offering an EcoBoost four-cylinder engine on its F-150 pickup in 2013. The boosted mill is expected to displace around 2.5-liters, produce 260 hp and 300 lb.-ft. of torque, and would only be available on the two-door Regular Cab F-150 4x2 and 4x4.

Ford's rationale for equipping its workaday pickup with a turbo'd four is partially due to the rising cost of gasoline, but is primarily fueled by new CAFE regulations that will require light trucks to average 28.6 mpg by 2015. Ford has already decided to drop its 4.2-liter V6 for the 2009 model year, only offering the 4.6-liter V8, which produces more power and more torque, while still offering similar fuel economy.

The EcoBoost range of engines are likely to find their way into several different models across Ford's line up, and according to Ford's director of powertrain research, Dan Kapp, EcoBoost engines could allow the automaker to reduce engine sizes by between 40- and 50-percent, so 3.0-liter V6s could be replaced by two-liter fours and a 2.5-liter four cylinder could be reduced to 1.5-liters.

Before the EcoBoost four-pot debuts on the 2013 F-150, Ford will launch a turbocharged V6 in the pickup in 2010. Displacement is expected to be around 3.5-liters, with output estimated at around 350 hp and 390 lb.-ft. of torque. Partnered with a new six-speed transmission, fuel economy should be around 16 mpg city and 22 mpg highway.

And what of the rumored F-100 pick-up? It's conceivable that the range-topping version of the compact truck could be packing the same turbo'd four as its big brother, while a naturally aspirated version would power the entry level model.
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Autoblog
Uncertain future for Ford's RWD vehicles, more EcoBoost on the way
It's been a while since we've heard about FoMoCo's development of large rear-wheel-drive vehicles for Ford and Lincoln – no surprise considering the current climate. With fuel prices continuing their upward trajectory and CAFE standards looming on the horizon, Ford is apparently reevaluating the efficacy of offering RWD vehicles in a market starving for fuel efficient whips.

In addition to this morning's story that Ford is considering offering an EcoBoost four-cylinder on its F-150 pickup, Automotive News is reporting that Ford's use of turbocharged, direct-injected engines could expand to beyond 500,000 vehicles annually by 2012.

On the small side of the product front, Ford will likely equip the base Fiesta with a naturally aspirated 1.4-liter four-cylinder that would deliver around 40 mpg when it arrives in the U.S. in 2010. Ford is also considering a 1.0-liter, EcoBoost engine in the Fiesta, which could migrate into the Focus after 2012.

V8 engines will remain the sole source of power in Ford's large truck and SUV lineup until the end of the decade, when the EcoBoost V6 arrives and begins to expand throughout the Ford lineup. The boosted six is expected to produce between 290 and 390 hp, depending on the application, and could spell the end of bent-eights in many of Ford's range-topping products. When the redesigned Mustang arrives in 2010, Ford intends to continue its use of the 4.0-liter V6 and 4.8-liter V8, but both engines will give way to the 3.5-liter V6 and 5.0-liter V8 soon thereafter. Don't ask us why they're not rolled out at launch.

New diesels are also in the cards, including a 6.7-liter V8 (codenamed "Scorpion") currently being developed for Ford's Super Duty trucks and full-sized vans. A 4.4-liter, V8 turbo-diesel is also in the works and will find a home under the hood of the F-150, Expedition and Lincoln Navigator – assuming the two 'utes survive into the next decade.
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Not much of a surprise really... They've got a new technology that is going to do wonders in fuel economy and performance, so they're going to proliferate the technology. I'm actually rather excited, and added to that, we're starting to see GM attempt forced-induction (with small displacement) engines as well.

Personally, the thought of an F-100 with a EcoBoost I4 is actually very appealing. Match it with a stick and a halfway decent suspension to make it a "city truck" and I'd be willing to bet they'd sell a fair number of them to people looking for a more-capable option as compared to other big cars.

...Which makes me wonder, are they going to try to shoot it at the Pontiac "El Camino"?
 
A little turbo charged F-100 would be awesome, heck even the bigger F-150 one will be cool. And just watch what these sport truck guys can do with the engine. I just can't wait till I here a roaring exhaust followed by the paaaashhhhhhhhhttt of a blow of valve.

It would make sense Ford would come out with a Ute type of thing, but they might be waiting to see how GM fairs first before wasting their R&D on it. Honestly I can't see them selling well here in America. We are a nation of big, manly trucks.
 

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