Why the hell do people want endurance-saves???

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I've seen countless times, people begging and begging for in-race saves so they can complete the 24hr Nurb race, but this is just pathetic. The point of the 24h, is that it IS a very hard race, for the extreme's of racing simulation. GT5 is built as a sim, let it stay like that. If the 24 hours of racing is too much for you? then its too much, end of. Don't go crying because you cant nab trophy you always wanted.

Allowing the saves would mean that any little brat and his X2010 could complete it. We don't want Kaz wasting his time with this petty feature when he could be working on bringing all the old tracks back.
 
GODfreyGT5
I've seen countless times, people begging and begging for in-race saves so they can complete the 24hr Nurb race, but this is just pathetic. The point of the 24h, is that it IS a very hard race, for the extreme's of racing simulation. GT5 is built as a sim, let it stay like that. If the 24 hours of racing is too much for you? then its too much, end of. Don't go crying because you cant nab trophy you always wanted.

Allowing the saves would mean that any little brat and his X2010 could complete it. We don't want Kaz wasting his time with this petty feature when he could be working on bringing all the old tracks back.
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Have you ever watched any 24 hour racing events? Drivers do not race 24 hours alone. They do it in teams with each member taking 3-4 hours of racing at a time.

If you can find me a link to any 24 hour race that is driven by a single driver for the whole race I will consider your opinion valid.
 
While i do agree with this part....
Allowing the saves would mean that any little brat and his X2010 could complete it
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I must say that as an owner of a Phat 80gb PS3, it's not the challenge of the race i'm afraid of. I did do Le Mans, and found it quiet enjoyable but i'm not sure if the $600 i payed for my PS3 in '08 is worth risking for one shiny little trophy.

mr_serious
If you can find me a link to any 24 hour race that is driven by a single driver for the whole race I will consider your opinion valid.
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Jesse James (yes the Monster Garage guy) did 25 hours straight in the Baja 1000 a couple years ago
 
Oh God, not this kind of thread again...
 
It's a mix of wanting to complete the game, but also having a family/job/other comittments that makes running a 24 hour race completely unfeasible as well as the fact the concept is complete and utter nonsense as no driver has ever done a 24 hour race on their own.
 
I only have one friend that have GT5 and lives near me, all the other one are a good 2h of drive away. And that only friend is not a big car game fan, so completing a 24h straight with him is like beleive in Santa Claus
 
But in the end what happens? Unless a friend drives for you at some point you end up doing the full 24 hours. Yes drivers do stints in real endurance racing (max 4 hours) but if you're trying to be realistic then you should only do about 12-14 hours of the race...
 
I dont believe the OP did the 24h races - 24h in a row... so whats the difference from saving in between a 24h race or pausing the game for those (like me) that have FAT PS3 that were around 600 euros???? the difference is 600 euros burning stupidly... got it now? if you dont want to save nobody forces you but my PS3 in the summer - when turned on more that 3 hours sounds like its going to take off... and I always switch it off... and I also would like to complete the 2 races I got left to do...

PS: Im not bratt,Im 38 and Ive been playing GT since GT2 and dont even go near my X2010 I only used it in the short time I played B-spec... I rather play wipeout....
 
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MrDinosaw94
While i do agree with this part....

I must say that as an owner of a Phat 80gb PS3, it's not the challenge of the race i'm afraid of. I did do Le Mans, and found it quiet enjoyable but i'm not sure if the $600 i payed for my PS3 in '08 is worth risking for one shiny little trophy.


Jesse James (yes the Monster Garage guy) did 25 hours straight in the Baja 1000 a couple years ago
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I should have know there would be an exception! But you're not implying this is normal I assume?
 
mr_serious
Have you ever watched any 24 hour racing events? Drivers do not race 24 hours alone. They do it in teams with each member taking 3-4 hours of racing at a time.

If you can find me a link to any 24 hour race that is driven by a single driver for the whole race I will consider your opinion valid.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_Chinetti

Luigi Chinetti was the closest I could find, giving up the car for only the final 20 minutes of the race. If you don't know the name, follow the link and read the story. This man is perhaps one of the most under-rated men in all of motorsport history. Absolute legend!

On topic, I have a daughter, and don't have a dedicated TV for the PS3. Regardless of where I go, someone will want the TV I'm using, and as per our family agreement (they can watch whatever so long as I can watch F1, Top Gear, and Colorado Avalanche/ Stanley Cup hockey), they can have it. I usually play when they're asleep, so I'm not disturbing anyone, and I don't have to worry about them distracting me from the game.

The only way I could complete a 24 hour race solo is to rent a hotel, and schedule a few days off of work. While this does sound like a wonderful idea, the reality is that the novelty would wear off after 4-6 hours, and it would start to become a chore. I'm working with a few friends to schedule a time when we all can tag-team an enduro, but all of our schedules vary so widely, that it's rare for us to even get a few hours together, let alone 24.

Then there's the fact that GT5 has two 24 hour enduros. Problems listed above X2.

Without the aforementioned family, I'd definitely complete both enduros, and I'd enjoy the delerium from the lack of sleep. But there's absolutely no way in hell I'd trade an enduro or two for time with my family.

Now, if GT5 wants to pay child support and alimony.....
 
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McClarenDesign
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_Chinetti

Luigi Chinetti was the closest I could find, giving up the car for only the final 20 minutes of the race. If you don't know the name, follow the link and read the story. This man is perhaps one of the most under-rated men in all of motorsport history. Absolute legend!
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Ok ok. I was wrong :dunce:

but please tell me these are rare feats of endurance and not commonly undertaken races?
 
tribolik
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No, I have not completed a 24hr race on GT5.

The whole idea of 24hr races is to show extreme levels of commitment and dedication.

I just feel that adding the feature of saves would kill it's impact alltogether.
 
Max respect to people who do the 24 hours by themselves in one sitting, but the rest of us don't want our electricity bills to go through the roof because we're leaving the PS3 on pause overnight whilst we sleep between stints.

Even with race saves, I don't think your average noob or casual player will do it anyway.
 
I dont like the race soft tyres, so I dont use them but that doesnt mean I will try to impose my preferences to other gamers...
 
GODfreyGT5
Don't go crying because you cant nab trophy you always wanted.

Allowing the saves would mean that any little brat and his X2010 could complete it. We don't want Kaz wasting his time with this petty feature when he could be working on bringing all the old tracks back.
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I'm going to ignore the fact that endurance races are almost never done by a single driver. I'm going to ignore the fact that you think a game that screws up so many little things regarding realism should be anal retentive about 24 hour races because of "realism" (and that in doing so wouldn't be realistic). I'm going to ignore the fact that Kaz said mid-race saves are coming anyways, so this entire topic would have been a waste of forum space even if it hadn't been done to death already. I'll even ignore the fact that the only difference between mid-race saves and what you can already do (ie. pause the game) is that one leads to a power bill.




I'll simply point out the silliness involved that makes you think mid-race saves is holding back PD from expanding the track list to include tracks left out from previous games. Because, you know, not even remotely the same members of PD would be working on the two things in the first place.
 
GODfreyGT5
I've seen countless times, people begging and begging for in-race saves so they can complete the 24hr Nurb race, but this is just pathetic. The point of the 24h, is that it IS a very hard race, for the extreme's of racing simulation. GT5 is built as a sim, let it stay like that. If the 24 hours of racing is too much for you? then its too much, end of. Don't go crying because you cant nab trophy you always wanted.

Allowing the saves would mean that any little brat and his X2010 could complete it. We don't want Kaz wasting his time with this petty feature when he could be working on bringing all the old tracks back.
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You pressed Pause. Done.

MuoNiuLa
Oh God, not this kind of thread again...
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Dejavu.
 
Toronado
I'm going to ignore the fact that endurance races are almost never done by a single driver. I'm going to ignore the fact that you think a game that screws up so many little things regarding realism should be anal retentive about 24 hour races because of "realism" (and that in doing so wouldn't be realistic). I'm going to ignore the fact that Kaz said mid-race saves are coming anyways, so this entire topic would have been a waste of forum space even if it hadn't been done to death already. I'll even ignore the fact that the only difference between mid-race saves and what you can already do (ie. pause the game) is that one leads to a power bill.

I'll simply point out the silliness involved that makes you think mid-race saves is holding back PD from expanding the track list to include tracks left out from previous games. Because, you know, not even remotely the same members of PD would be working on the two things in the first place.
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That's what I actually meant to say 👍 :sly:
 
v-fal
And what about the pause function? Should PD disable it?
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Yes its pretty much the same... but only for those that have Slims wich is not my case... So I would definitly vote in order for us to be able to feel and show extreme levels of commitment and dedication that the pause function be removed in the next patch. :dopey:
 
GODfreyGT5
Allowing the saves would mean that any little brat and his X2010 could complete it.
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Ummm anyone could jump in an X2010 and win a 24 hour race by a couple hundred laps with or without endurance saves. I don't see any prestige in completing a 24 hour race since the majority doing it are just pausing it and taking breaks anyway. Why not remove the pause feature instead. 👍

We want it for convience because after all this is just a video game. :sly:
 
mr_serious
Ok ok. I was wrong :dunce:

but please tell me these are rare feats of endurance and not commonly undertaken races?
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Up until the 80's, it wasn't uncommon for teams to field only 2 drivers, which in and of itself is still a major feat.

Now, driver changes are mandatory.
 
McClarenDesign
Up until the 80's, it wasn't uncommon for teams to field only 2 drivers, which in and of itself is still a major feat.

Now, driver changes are mandatory.
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Wow! Real racing drivers, you've got to love them :)
 
I didn't bother reading the flaming going on above. ;) Here's my view:

I agree with him. 100%. And then there are those of you who say "One man doesn't do 24 hours alone." That's due to exhaustion. Now, do you really get that much exhaustion from using a DS3? If your using a wheel that's your own fault. 24 Hours isn't that hard. I haven't done any of 'em yet but I have played well over 24 hours with limited break. If you can't handle it, don't complain. If you want race saves, go somewhere else. Race saves are stupid, so is pausing the game.

Then there are those who say, "I have a job" or something with the family. I get it, but if your too busy, deal with it. You won't be able to do the race then. Too bad for you.

Then some have to bring up the "It's not really a simulator" deal. Well, it isn't I'll admit that. But it's fun to keep things to the best of the games capabilities.

Someone mentioned if PD should just take away the pause feature, I wish they did.

This is what I think, flame me if you wish. This thread won't last much longer.
 
EliteDreamer
24 Hours isn't that hard. I haven't done any of 'em yet
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You just negated your own point there. Sitting for 24 hours IS hard, even with a controller. It's a mental rather than physical endurance in that sense, with a wheel, it's a physical endurance as well...

But, what you are suggesting is that no toilet breaks, no eating, no sleeping, within that period and that's not only incredibly unhealthy, it can be very dangerous.

I also don't think anyone is suggesting "save where you want" either, just the ability to save when you pit and pick up a race from there again, without the ability to do anything else in the game until you either complete or exit the race.
 
I just can't see myself sitting for 24 hours, in my own piss and crap. I guess those who drive the 24 hours straight like that kind of stuff.
 
GODfreyGT5
No, I have not completed a 24hr race on GT5.

The whole idea of 24hr races is to show extreme levels of commitment and dedication.

I just feel that adding the feature of saves would kill it's impact alltogether.
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You're still driving for 24 hours without doing anything else on GT5(If they do implement saves it will surely not allow anything but resumption). Driving for 24 hours straight is silly, and is not done, despite a few historical exceptions mostly from a long time ago. You can do it now with pausing, and many people do, which is JUST as unrealistic as saves, only much more wasteful and risky.

We're talking about two unrealistic races with a tiny few unrealistically bad AI drivers in an at best moderately realistic simulation game that is targeted at the mass market. Adding a more sensible, if slightly unrealistic, means of doing it that is requested by many players just makes sense.

And the brats with X2010s can do it anyway, they have time to sleep.
 
GODfreyGT5
Allowing the saves would mean that any little brat and his X2010 could complete it.
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Welcome to the world of console games. Most modern day console game are designed so pretty much anyone can beat them. (Ex: very few limits in most A-spec races) In a lot of cases the only real challenge with console game are some of the trophies.
Forza 3 had unlimited rewind (No need for a GameShark when games now come with built-in cheats) so anyone no matter had bad they were at racing could easily win races with the hardest settings.
 
Dennisch
I just can't see myself sitting for 24 hours, in my own piss and crap. I guess those who drive the 24 hours straight like that kind of stuff.
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Pit stops solve that.

PirateThorm
You just negated your own point there. Sitting for 24 hours IS hard, even with a controller. It's a mental rather than physical endurance in that sense, with a wheel, it's a physical endurance as well...

But, what you are suggesting is that no toilet breaks, no eating, no sleeping, within that period and that's not only incredibly unhealthy, it can be very dangerous.
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Oh well. I. Really. Don't. Care. I play because I love too. I'm always completely fine once I'm done these long sessions. The only problem is getting my sleep schedule back. Which only takes me 2-3 days. Again, not that hard. I can use the restroom during pit stops (As I stated above), I don't need to eat every few hours, heck I barely even eat at all. And I already explained sleeping.

I did not negate my point. I have driven for over 24 hours, but I haven't done the endurance.
 
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