can GT5 physics do lift off oversteer or brake oversteer?

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i have been trying all week to do lift off oversteer or brake oversteer on gt5 but it seems that GT5 physics cannot do it.
has anyone been able to do it on gt5, if you can show a video even better?

note: i can do power over and handbrake easily.
 
Take the Yellowbird for a spin and you'll be POd for too much lift off oversteer. As for brake oversteer, does that mean you begin to oversteer once you apply the brake? If so, then just set your ABS to 0 and max out your brake sensitivity on the rear.
 
Ive encountered brake-oversteer in plenty of cars; nsx, mr2, even the x2010

(As you can see the trend is MR cars.. you'd be hard-pressed to accomplish this with a FR car, nice tires and a wing)

The lift oversteer is however a more complicated thing. I've never encountered it
 
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i have been trying all week to do lift off oversteer or brake oversteer on gt5 but it seems that GT5 physics cannot do it.
has anyone been able to do it on gt5, if you can show a video even better?

note: i can do power over and handbrake easily.
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All I can say to you is LP640 Murcielago.

That thing has chronic lift off oversteer. I think its the GT tour event in Tuscany that shows it the best.



But you know you'll get seldom little lift off with the skid recovery system on??
 
The E92 M3 is too well balanced (even in real life) for easy lift off oversteer. It's doable, as it is in real life, but you might have to unbalance the car by shifting down into smaller gear before accelerating in or out of a turn.

In real life, most MR (mid-engine rear wheel drive) cars are the ones prone to exit lift-off oversteer. Incidentally, these are the type cars that behave in that manner in GT5. Cars like Acura NSX, Lotus Elise, Ferrari F40 and Enzo etc.

Most FR (front engine rearwheel drive) are naturally less prone to understeer (at least not as much as most MR) and therefore are less incline to exhibit the tendency for lift-off oversteer. As you probably are aware most of these stuff- the engine location in relation the the front and rear axle, the setup of front suspension to counter the car inherent tendency towards oversteer or understeer- are all intertwined and certain behaviours are intended in order to balance the car's drivability.

One last thing to add- I'm assuming you're basing your conclusion while driving a stock/unmodified car(s). Obviously, if you've modified the car, it won't behave accordingly.
 
"can GT5 physics do lift off oversteer or brake oversteer?" - Yes, is the short answer. But you will either have to provoke a stock car into it, or tune your suspension/brakes for it. Very easily achievable...

{Cy}
 
Set the brake balance to favour the rear, then braking oversteer is much easier.
 
mykem
The E92 M3 is too well balanced (even in real life) for easy lift off oversteer. It's doable, as it is in real life, but you might have to unbalance the car by shifting down into smaller gear before accelerating in or out of a turn.
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I owned an E92 M3 until a few weeks ago. You are wrong about lift off oversteer. It was fairly easy to do. Hit the M button and voila - mid turn you could steer it with the throttle.
 
I personally don't think you need to setup a car to do this, many cars do this naturally in game.
 
Ferrari 512 BB for lift off oversteer and brake oversteer. I was using it last night for the Supercar Nostagia races. On SS5, I had lift off oversteer and brake oversteer going into the tunnel, and would drift all the way around the curve in the tunnel and made for great fun. I love driving the older MR cars. They can be frustrating though, without a wheel.
 
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i have been trying all week to do lift off oversteer or brake oversteer on gt5 but it seems that GT5 physics cannot do it.
has anyone been able to do it on gt5, if you can show a video even better?

note: i can do power over and handbrake easily.
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Comfort Softs. As I found out well with the '91 NSX at the Trial Mountain reverse seasonal. Oversteers on everything you do, so do everything you normally do - less, in order to drive straight.
 
acwebpage
thanks guys i'll the yellow bird and MR cars a try with abs off
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Aside from the RR and MR cars, I haven't seen brake oversteer. The game models weight transfer to the front, meaning the front tires get overloaded, but the back doesn't seem to get lighter. So you get terminal understeer instead.
 
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Aside from the RR and MR cars, I haven't seen brake oversteer. The game models weight transfer to the front, meaning the front tires get overloaded, but the back doesn't seem to get lighter. So you get terminal understeer instead.
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Brake oversteer? What? Is that just another name for something else, I don't know how about having too much rear brake bias? Street cars are in no way prone to doing anything like that, what kind of unsafe crap is that? You will find lots of cars with liftoff oversteer though, mainly MR drive trains do this naturally.

GT5 models weight transfer to the front and the back, try driving the Yellowbird and BTR. In fact you can screw up a cars' handling by swapping the spring settings to shift weight forward and little rearward. I'm still trying to understand brake oversteer, it just sounds made up or something. Sounds to me you like to break the tires loose under braking then accelerate causing oversteer. Mainly MR cars tend to do such things with relative ease, but the RR cars do it far easier. What cars IRL actually do such things under braking anyway? I know that any street car that does this it's not something that would be on sale anywhere, nor is it safe to drive. You would sooner find that sort of thing in a super car of sorts, where the objective isn't safety but speed and agility on the bleeding edge of road car extremes.
 
Want brake oversteer? Get a Countach on Sports Hard tires, Brake hard = Back will slide as demonstrated in this picture...
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Was doing a tune and this was midway through testing, Now that's how you attack corners! For the record I did not hit anything post picture. Gracefully slid into ze corner.
 
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i have been trying all week to do lift off oversteer or brake oversteer on gt5 but it seems that GT5 physics cannot do it.
has anyone been able to do it on gt5, if you can show a video even better?

note: i can do power over and handbrake easily.
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You want lift off oversteer? Buy an RR Ruf, and it will do it w/ little to no adjustment to suspension(just like Porsches were famous for)..MR cars are also good for it..basically any car w/ a 50% or more weight bias to rear will be able to achieve lift off oversteer
 
I get lift off overtseer in the Toyota MR2 that i've been using for the latest seasonal. I had to take a completely different approach to driving by barely using any steering lock and just letting the car turn as I take off the throttle, before accelerating out of the corner. Several cars in GT5:Prologue had this too, the physics can easily replicate lift-off oversteer, and does in many cars.


Brake oversteer is less noticeable but it is there in some respects. As I don't use ABS 0 I can't really comment on that.
 
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Just do the Lotus event in the Top Gear challenge. You will never again question if GT5 physics can do lift-off oversteer.
 
Shelby Cobra on Sports Hard tyres with ABS 0. On lift of the car starts skipping about like mad then as soon as you touch the brakes (you don't even have to lock them up) it'll slide everywhere. It's not much good for close racing but it can make free runs much more fun.
 
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Shelby Cobra on Sports Hard tyres with ABS 0. On lift of the car starts skipping about like mad then as soon as you touch the brakes (you don't even have to lock them up) it'll slide everywhere. It's not much good for close racing but it can make free runs much more fun.
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Pretty much every car in GT5 will slide everywhere with ABS 0 and the default, totally wrong (as in "that doesn't make sense"), 5/5 brake distribution.
 
In GT5 lift off oversteer is mostly exclusive to MR and RR cars to any noticeable degree, but in real life it's possible in all drive train layouts.
 
It's also noticeable in some short wheelbase 4WD cars like the Peugeot 205 T16.

EDIT: Now that I think about it the fact that this car is also a mid engine setup would contribute to it.
 
The '98 Mitsubishi Legnum VR-4 Type V (stock) has a strong lift-off oversteer, come to think about it. Even setting up a strong front brake bias (like 9/1) with the ABS off causes its rear end to violently snap off when braking and cornering at the same time. There must be something wrong about it in the game, as it would have been a dangerous estate car in real life and I doubt it was.

In general though lift-off oversteer (that is, letting off the throttle pedal suddenly when cornering), bar perhaps a few excetions, does not seem to be correctly represented in GT5. Many sporty FF cars that are supposed to be quite lively in real life, for example, don't appear to react much by doing that. Braking when cornering does not generally unsettle cars much except by setting up an incorrect brake bias or inadeguate suspension settings.
 
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If you're looking to train in handling lift-off oversteer, try an MR2 in the Japanese '80s seasonals. It's mid-engined and can swap ends if badly driven. But its characteristics are mild enough that you can get a grip on it so to speak and slide it through the turns. Good prep for Lambos, RUFs and Lotuses.
 

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