I thought the Elite was meant to be more reliable!?

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I thought that MS modified the elite models to be more reliable yet so far in the UK I know of many people already having to return their elite, many of whom traded in their normal xbox for one.

One guy at gamestation said that he was already on his third one, and a gamestation employee said that there where loads of elites being returned!

Is it like this in the US also?
 
:lol: Someone asked a similar question on another forum.

Teh elite wouldn't be 1337 if it didn't now would it! xD
 
The chipset is supposed to run cooler and apparently be a better use of space inside the box, but when you are clearly abusing the Elite (ie, overly long game times, not in a sufficiently cool space, etc) there are going to be problems. Sure, Microsoft could have done a better job designing the box the correct way, but stick any gamestation in a dark, damp, not well-ventilated area, and it will probably blow up eventually...
 
YSSMAN has a point. I'm sure Microsoft tried to make it somewhat more reliable, but I'm sure that a portion of the people who bought Elites either took it for granted that they were much more reliable than the normal 360 or were trying to see just how much more reliable they are.
 
YSSMAN
The chipset is supposed to run cooler and apparently be a better use of space inside the box, but when you are clearly abusing the Elite (ie, overly long game times, not in a sufficiently cool space, etc) there are going to be problems. Sure, Microsoft could have done a better job designing the box the correct way, but stick any gamestation in a dark, damp, not well-ventilated area, and it will probably blow up eventually...
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Because everyone stores a £300 gadget like that... And if I paid £300, I'd expect to last under normal conditions.
 
Didnt some guys purposefully try to make the PS3 die by putting it in extreme conditions but it still worked?

TBH England aint exactly warm at the moment, I dont see why a Elite in the average persons home stored on their AV stand should break!
 
My 360 has been turned on since basically the day I bought it, which is nearly a year ago.

I never, ever, ever shut it off, and the only problem I've had was a hair stuck on the lens in the DVD drive, which I repaired myself.


It's you people who turn the thing on and off constantly that break it!
 
YSSMAN
The chipset is supposed to run cooler and apparently be a better use of space inside the box, but when you are clearly abusing the Elite (ie, overly long game times, not in a sufficiently cool space, etc) there are going to be problems. Sure, Microsoft could have done a better job designing the box the correct way, but stick any gamestation in a dark, damp, not well-ventilated area, and it will probably blow up eventually...
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The first model elites use the same die-size CPU's as the rest of the product line. The 65nm processor hasn't been implemented yet. The only difference, internally, would be the change in thermal paste used on the heatsink, and some other minor alterations that came from the use of an HDMI port.

Supposedly, the next wave of 360's will have an HDMI port and 65nm processors, with a possible 45nm processor in the rather distant future. If that is the case, I'll probably wait for the 45nm processor. 40% better cooling? Yes please.
 
My point was that improper care, generally speaking, is going to kill any console. Run a Wii, PS3, X360, PC, Mac, whatever in extremes, and there is a good chance of breakage. I know I keep my X360 (and PC) in a well-ventilated area, and thus far I've yet to have any major issues.

Then again, I think the longest I ever played a game for was about four-hours straight.
 
YSSMAN
My point was that improper care, generally speaking, is going to kill any console. Run a Wii, PS3, X360, PC, Mac, whatever in extremes, and there is a good chance of breakage. I know I keep my X360 (and PC) in a well-ventilated area, and thus far I've yet to have any major issues.
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Well I think the point of that test on the PS3 was to show that even improper care seemed to not have any major impact on the PS3, but regardless of that, the critical point is that when a console has a failure rate of more than 30 times its competition, then clearly the problem is far beyond just proper care.

Sure, maybe you are fortunate enough to have one of the roughly 66% of all 360's that has not experienced the red ring of death, but considering the countless numbers of people, even on this forum who say they are very careful with how they take care of their 360 and still it failed, clearly the reliability issue goes well beyond some kind of user responsibility.

I know I've seen you post in threads were fellow 360 enthusiasts who claim to take very good care of their consoles have said their 360 failed, but if you've forgotten I'm sure any of us can post the links for you if you don't believe it.
 
No, quite right, and I've been quite surprised it has lasted this long... Particularly when it was an early-build model (November 2005). I'm expecting it to blow up with Halo 3 here in the next week or so, and I'll inform if it does occur...
 
The truth for me is, I've had mine since last Christmas and it works just dandy. Unless it breaks, I don't really care either way.
 
My 360 died this week it was not enclosed in any way. It sat on top of my TV unit away from everything else (the box thing half way along the power cable too). 13 months to the day after i bought it, 3 red lights.

I have taken a lot of care to ensure that my 360 was never over stressed given then hideous reports I read on here and other places, but it still died :guilty:

Just in time for Halo 3
 
MistaX
It's you people who turn the thing on and off constantly that break it!
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Hey, Microsoft may be interested in hiring you for tech support. That's right up there with the surge protector excuse. :lol:
 
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Hey, Microsoft may be interested in hiring you for tech support. That's right up there with the surge protector excuse. :lol:
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:lol:

I turn my PS3 on and off like 4 times a day! Thats the best one ive heard, now MS will say dont touch it or it will blow up!

Basically the elite has the same damn unrealiable innards as the other models plus its painted black which absorbs the heat from the room not helping its already air starved design :lol:

MS are such cheapskates making it in a rush which average components, sure in fairness the PS3 casing aint exsactly top of the line also but im glad I paid a higher price for the quality components inside and that huge heatsink sony put in it!

As far as tests have gone bar faults the PS3 can go into temps double normal averages in both directions and survive no problem. MY PS3 is currently sitting in the worse ventilated part of the room under the TV surrounded on all sides and its fine.

I feel for the people buying elites thinking that that would solve all your MS360 problems, well MS just talk rubbish...

Robin
 
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I turn my PS3 on and off like 4 times a day! Thats the best one ive heard, now MS will say dont touch it or it will blow up!

I feel for the people buying elites thinking that that would solve all your MS360 problems, well MS just talk rubbish...

Robin
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Quality Post there Mate +1 !...
 
The new units with the cooler parts should be arriving shortly here in the US, I want to say the first of them being the Halo 3 edition models (there may be the new "Premium" ones out already...). My guess is that Halo will destroy mine, but I very well could be mistaken. According to the store where my warranty is, my DVD drive not wanting to work all the time is enough to bring it in and have it replaced, so I really can't complain at all... Problem is, I've got to literally give them back everything that came in the box. Which sucks.
 
YSSMAN
The chipset is supposed to run cooler and apparently be a better use of space inside the box, but when you are clearly abusing the Elite (ie, overly long game times, not in a sufficiently cool space, etc) there are going to be problems. Sure, Microsoft could have done a better job designing the box the correct way, but stick any gamestation in a dark, damp, not well-ventilated area, and it will probably blow up eventually...
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I sorta feel like this is to some extent denial (for whatever reason).
Not to ginx myself but I ran my PS2 for 100% in GT4 which means atleast 3 stints of 24hrs, never once did my PS2 meltdown.
Likewise, I've got buddies who ran their normal Xboxs for days and even more than a week without ever turning it off and they never melted down (nor did my xbox but I never ran it for more than a few hours at a time).

The Xboxs shouldn't be breaking as they are and to blame players for having the game system on for "too long" is just horrible.

On that note, there aren't as many elites and so I imagine the failures aren't as common for that reason. However, are the elites different? I don't think their are any major differences besides the HDD size.

The up coming phantom (as it has been dubbed in rumors) should be the answer to all the over-heating problems. 👍
 
My elite is just fine so far - no problems - doesnt seem any diff from my old console tho! still as noisy - but i never had a complaint about my old console - never had any problems at all!!
 
Kent
I sorta feel like this is to some extent denial (for whatever reason).
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Agreed... What describes an "overly long gaming session" ?.. What if I want to play GOW or whatever for 30 hours straight.. If that hurts the console, the design is flawed.. Simply put..

Would anyone accept that their TV should be turned off every few hours because "overly long viewing sessions" can harm it ?...

Kent
The up coming phantom (as it has been dubbed in rumors) should be the answer to all the over-heating problems. 👍
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Not to highjack the thread - But wasn't the Phantom dismissed as more vapor than DnF 4ever years ago ?..

I thought the company is now selling some kind of lap keyboard / mouse combo..
 

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