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Scoresheets for 2025.05.18 have been been copied to SNAIL Data.​


Data Specialists are cleared to complete data entry. Don't forget to claim your $hells.​

No official racing on 25 May 2025. Final week of the May 2025 Season will be June 1st, 2025.
 
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kase178
I have read the first post and would like to join. Got an invite from awhitmo.
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@kase178

Here's your official SNAIL Welcome Post!​

Thanks for your interest!
Here's what you need to know (and do) in order to join the SNAIL [Spec] Racing league:

We run a clean league by enforcing a strict penalty system based on the SNAIL OLR (which is a modified version of the GTP OLR). We also expect all of our drivers to know and follow The Good Racecraft Guide. Please become versed in both if you aren't already. Once that is complete, please follow the steps below to complete your entry into the league:

  1. You start a conversation, by clicking this link, and add zer05ive, JLBowler, nmcp1, llNovall, Akzl298 & Dragonwhisky as "Recipients".
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  4. You drive fast and clean on Sunday 👍

Again, the original post has everything you need to know about what to expect on Sunday night and what you will need to have completed in order to be competitive. If you have any questions, please feel free to post your question on the thread.

During the week we run a number of different events, we encourage all SNAILs to join as many as possible.
Welcome to SNAIL

As an aside, there will be more to get done once you start the conversation and, if you want to race this coming Sunday, you'll need to get it all done by 11:59PM eastern time Saturday night.
 
arethosetacos
Fun racing last night and replay/incident analysis afterwards.
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Lots of great racing moments last night in D2.

Congratulations to @Zirakey for a gold medal on his first night with us. I had an up close view of his clean driving etiquette during the first race of the night when we battled for over half the race. You'll fit in well here.
 
Oshawa-Joe
The following is from another forum -ukgpl.com. Same message, with pictures.

Corner Rights

If you watch the odd few GPL drivers in action you might think the rule for corner rights goes something like, " Whatever piece of ground I can barge my way into I have the right to ". Well, ... not so. There is actually an etiquette for corner rights. It's not just for GPL, or racing sims, but is basically the same for every level of real-world motor racing - from Formula Ford to Formula 1 and everything in between. " What ! ", you say. " You mean I don't have the right to throw my car into any gap I see ? ". Actually no, you don't - and if you raced in any real-world competition the way you may race in GPL, instead of being hailed as a motor racing genius you may find yourself banned from even the lowest levels of the sport. Some of the everyday things you see in GPL simply aren't tolerated where real cars are damaged, real money is the cost of repair, and real lives are at risk.

In brief, the concept is, you must establish substantial overlap with the car ahead, before a corner's turn-in point, to have the right for room to be left for you by the ahead driver. Substantial overlap means at least the front of your car is up to the driver's position in the ahead car - at the very least. You probably should have more in many circumstances. The ahead driver has ever right to be fully committed to the racing line of his choice without any interference, if there was no overlap before he turned in.

If sufficient overlap is established before the turn-in point, then the behind driver has the right to room. The ahead driver can still battle for the place of course but must do so from a wider-out position, leaving room for the behind driver.

You can see here why overlap established after the turn-in point isn't really valid and therefore isn't honored in car racing rules. Its actually false overlap that's created by the turning movements of the cars. Its not due to one being faster than the other or one out-braking the other. In positions 1, 2, and 3, below, you can see that the Lotus has no overlap at all if you consider the straight ahead direction - shown by the blue lines. But if you take a perpendicular from the attitude of the cars, shown by the red lines, there is some overlap at position 2 and substantial overlap at position 3. This overlap is entirely false of course, as the Lotus hasn't actually out-braked or out-sped the Eagle by any amount what-so-ever - as I hope you can see form this diagram. Unfortunately, many drivers think that if they do this they are some kind of out-braking genius, when in fact they are not out-preforming the other driver at all. It's a geometric illusion that has nothing to do with a driver's ability or performance. If they could really out-brake the other, they would have made some overlap before the turn-in point, not after it.
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1 Before the turn-in point there's no overlap - therefore the Lotus has no right to room or to interfere with the Eagle's normal racing line in any way.

2 But, as often happens, the Lotus sees this empty zone along the inside and thinks they can zoom up into it, probably believing this to be the move of a talented racing genius.

3 Its possible to get apparent overlap after the turn-in point. The point is you shouldn't.

4 The Lotus may actually achieve their objective, forcing the Eagle out wide, who may actually not press the issue for the sake of not crashing - if they can.

5 But, if the Eagle doesn't back away, and holds their line, as they're entitled to do, this is what happens as often as not.
The issue is, the Eagle has the right to be fully committed to the racing line. In this case, the entire inside area ought to have been a no-go zone for the Lotus, who should have tucked in behind and followed the Eagle around. Of course, late braking barge drivers often end up in the hay bails, hopefully without taking you with them.
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Having quoted Oshawa's post from a few years ago, I will add, if you're under attack, leave a lane, if you're attacking, leave a lane. In other words, leave a lane at the entrance and leave a lane at the exit. Or, in even some other, other words, when you take a lane at the entrance, leave a lane at the exit.

If anyone has doubts about how the above concept works, go have a look at D1R2R2 from last night, watch @vovik05 , @Nicktune and @ErickGaToRR , pure class acts for taking, giving and receiving that aformentioned "lane".
edit- After having a look at that replay myself I'm gonna dime out a couple other drivers, @DublDee & @bublyman were some fine examples of SNAIL sportsmanship.

Ask yourselves, do you want to race or...?
 
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If anyone has doubts about how the above concept works, go have a look at D1R2R2 from last night, watch @vovik05 , @Nicktune and @ErickGaToRR , pure class acts for taking, giving and receiving that aformentioned "lane".
edit- After having a look at that replay myself I'm gonna dime out a couple other drivers, @DublDee & @bublyman were some fine examples of SNAIL sportsmanship.
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I just reviewed this race today because it was so memorable. I spent the whole race with a smile on my face, that was pure fun, fair racing. Shoutouts to all the Snails community to give me such enjoyable moments.
 
Dragonwhisky
Having quoted Oshawa's post from a few years ago, I will add, if you're under attack, leave a lane, if you're attacking, leave a lane. In other words, leave a lane at the entrance and leave a lane at the exit. Or, in even some other, other words, when you take a lane at the entrance, leave a lane at the exit.

If anyone has doubts about how the above concept works, go have a look at D1R2R2 from last night, watch @vovik05 , @Nicktune and @ErickGaToRR , pure class acts for taking, giving and receiving that aformentioned "lane".
edit- After having a look at that replay myself I'm gonna dime out a couple other drivers, @DublDee & @bublyman were some fine examples of SNAIL sportsmanship.

Ask yourselves, do you want to race or...?
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100% right. Turns out I was doing that before even knowing it was a thing. Not pushing people off, if you go on the inside you need to take into account your corner exit and that you could be going side by side.

But its different with AI drivers though 😂
 

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Here are the unofficial results from our league night on May 18, 2025

Click here for this season's points standings and click a tab at the bottom for more detail.

Click here if the data linked above has already been archived and you would like to view it.

Division 1
  1. Nic-KL ------------ voted to eliminate Round 2
  2. PReC_ErickGTSan --- voted to eliminate Round 3
  3. vovik05 ----------- voted to eliminate Round 2 - Prize B
  4. Ridger23 ---------- voted to eliminate Round 3
  5. Dragonwhisky ------ voted to eliminate Round 3
  6. DUB-L-DEE --------- voted to eliminate Round 1
  7. DRD_Niagara ------- voted to eliminate Round 1
  8. superb3113 -------- voted to eliminate Round 3
  9. Kgffty ------------ did not submit a vote
Division 2
  1. arethosetacos ----- voted to eliminate Round 3 - Prize A
  2. Canoworms1 -------- voted to eliminate Round 3
  3. RacingChamp30 ----- voted to eliminate Round 2
  4. JamCar0ne --------- voted to eliminate Round 2 - Prize C
  5. Mac1032763 -------- voted to eliminate Round 3
  6. Zirakey ----------- voted to eliminate Round 1
  7. radliffpower ------ voted to eliminate Round 3
  8. awhitmo ----------- voted to eliminate Round 1
  9. Cdn_Sweet_Tee ----- voted to eliminate Round 1
  10. cesarr64 ---------- voted to eliminate Round 3
  11. jakeblack3 -------- did not submit a vote
The round that received the most elimination votes was:
Round 3 - Lexus SC430 GT500 '08 (RM) at Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps - S01 Afternoon (7 laps)
Therefore, the entire combo has been dropped from next week's line-up. @arethosetacos wins Prize A, and gets to choose an entirely new car and track combo to replace it.

The round that received the second most elimination votes was:
Round 1 - Ford Mustang Gr.3 Road Car (SM) at Fuji International Speedway - Short - S15 Afternoon (9 laps)
This means either the car or track will be replaced for next week's line-up. @vovik05 is the Prize B winner and they have the option to freeze the car or the track, or they can give that option to the Prize C winner. If they give the freeze away, they get to decide what car or track replaces the part of the combo that is left unfrozen by the Prize C winner.

Prize C goes to @JamCar0ne - they get whichever option the Prize B winner does not select.

Preliminary prize winners, please don't announce your prize selection until all incident reports have been filed and it's confirmed you don't have any penalties.
  • It is recommended you visit SNAIL combo history, along with other data on our car and track history, to review how many times we've raced each car and/or track.
  • Please remember, originality is always appreciated. Although not required, picking cars and tracks we've never raced is a plus.
  • What's more important is, you thoroughly test any combo you are considering, before making it your official selection.
    • For example, any car you select must not hit its rev limiter, either hard1 or soft2, at any point during a race, even in the draft.

IMPORTANT:
  • When posting your Prize A or Prize B selection, please list the complete in-game name of the car and/or track you are selecting.
    • For example, if you want to choose the Integra Type R as your car selection, post "Honda Integra Type R (DC2) '98".
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Car Selection Guidelines
See Section 3 of the SNAIL OLR, Policies and Guidelines.

Track Selection Guidelines
See Section 3.1 of the SNAIL OLR, Policies and Guidelines.

1Hitting the "hard" limit causes the RPMs to "bounce" and reduces torque and speed.
2Hitting the "soft" limit ceases all acceleration potential. Meaning, you're not going to go any faster.
 
@Oshawa-Joe and @Dragonwhisky make good points about rights in corners, and especially about diving inside when it looks good, but you have no right to be there. Fuji has two notorious corners for that, the last two. They are both decreasing radius corners where the fast line is a wide entry with a late apex for maximum acceleration out of the corner. It's that wide entry that makes it look like you can gain the apex from behind when in fact you didn't have an overlap on entry.

Entering chicanes is similar. You may be able to out brake the ahead car to the apex, but unless you can do that before they turn in you have no right to be there. It's best to hold off for a better opportunity.
 
CANOWORMS1
@Oshawa-Joe and @Dragonwhisky make good points about rights in corners, and especially about diving inside when it looks good, but you have no right to be there. Fuji has two notorious corners for that, the last two. They are both decreasing radius corners where the fast line is a wide entry with a late apex for maximum acceleration out of the corner. It's that wide entry that makes it look like you can gain the apex from behind when in fact you didn't have an overlap on entry.

Entering chicanes is similar. You may be able to out brake the ahead car to the apex, but unless you can do that before they turn in you have no right to be there. It's best to hold off for a better opportunity.
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Have learned that if for example i am turning right at Fuji and my race car is not at least past halfway of the vehicle to my left, to back off and try the pass later on instead of having a racing incident.
 
“The cookie policy”:
In a nutshell, the "cookie policy" means that nobody should confront, accuse, or imply that a fellow driver was at fault in a racing incident until after league night is over. First of all, you can never be sure who's "eating your cookies" until you check the replays. Secondly, the confrontation creates a negative atmosphere in the lounge and is uncomfortable for others to read or listen to. And most importantly, history has shown that in-lounge confrontations result in negative outcomes far more often than positive resolutions.

If you feel that you have been a victim of poor racecraft, please wait until after the races are over and review the replays so that you can watch the incident from multiple perspectives. If, after reviewing the replays, you feel that your original suspicions were correct, then file a racing incident report with the stewards.
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I think reviewing voluntarily after the group racing was well over is fine and outside
 

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