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I always preferred the '80s version of Monza over the current one. It just has a rhythm that... (flows smoothly?), probably one of my favorite tracks. But maybe it's just my preference which is weird. :p
 
Because back then the tracks were fast and since then have been remade to be slower. It's unfortunate because it was an immediate response to the many deaths in F1 at the time but since then the cars and safety technologies have vastly improved. They could probably run the old versions now and be safer than they were back in the day.
 
DesertPenguin09
Because back then the tracks were fast and since then have been remade to be slower. It's unfortunate because it was an immediate response to the many deaths in F1 at the time but since then the cars and safety technologies have vastly improved. They could probably run the old versions now and be safer than they were back in the day.
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The '80s version isn't much faster the current Monza? :confused:
 
DesertPenguin09
Because back then the tracks were fast and since then have been remade to be slower. It's unfortunate because it was an immediate response to the many deaths in F1 at the time but since then the cars and safety technologies have vastly improved. They could probably run the old versions now and be safer than they were back in the day.
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The cars are slower now... http://formulafreak.kinja.com/f1-cars-are-8-seconds-slower-than-10-years-ago-1649379537

From wiki:

By 1986, some engines were producing over 1000 bhp (750 kW) in short bursts in qualifying. BMW's 1,000 bhp (750 kW) dynamometer was incapable of measuring the output of their qualifying engines - Paul Rosche estimated that it might be as much as 1,300 bhp (970 kW).
 
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In 2017, they're aiming at making the cars about 5 seconds faster than now.

80's Brands Hatch is one of my favorite tracks, so much fun!

As for older tracks being safer, not likely. Paved runoffs and better barriers are making tracks safer than ever. Verstappens crash at Monaco would have left him with bad injuries if it happened 30 years ago, even in todays car if you ask me. The downside to these safer tracks is the drivers abuse the track boundaries, because the repercussions are minimal compared to yesterday. Run wide at Parabolica today, just a bit of pavement. Run wide there a few years ago, kitty litter!
 
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Also don't forget how important the team and equipment is in racing. Lots of really great talented racers just never found themselves in the right situation at the right time.

Let's face it, almost anyone could have finished on the podium in the Ferrari that Michael drove :)

I always felt bad for Ruben. If Michael weren't there those records might have been his.
 
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MarkR420
David Gilliland has more starts than JPM and no wins. Let's not kid ourselves it takes a lot of talent just to drive a race car let alone win races. To win races is multiple disciplines is pretty special.
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Gilliland also didn't race with the top tear teams that montoya did. Like @JoeW said.
 
Falango
How many wins do you have?

The fact that he's been able to succeed in so many different disciplines makes him a very talented driver. I'd love to see him in an LMP car.
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I'm not saying he's a bad driver. I'm saying he can't compete in NASCAR. He's a road course specialist who only won twice on road courses. Now that he's back in open wheel the guy's kickin butt!

He lost the championship this year on a tie breaker.
 
The "problem" is that Montoya grew up learning how to drive open wheel cars. He learned from an early age that "rubbin' is not racing...rubbin' is crashing".

So when he got to test a NASCAR I'm sure he did just fine. Until he got in a pack of 30 guys on a high bank at 200mph who all live by the motto that says "rubbin' is most certainly racing". Imagine his surprise...

I sure as hell wouldn't want to drive in the middle of a pack of wild dogs who just bump your rear end if they can't get past you. Especially when you grew up thinking the exact opposite is proper racing.

Even if he had the best team in NASCAR it would be very difficult to change your most basic instincts of driving.

NASCAR is certainly entertaining....to watch other people do it.
 
Falango
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The fact that he's been able to succeed in so many different disciplines makes him a very talented driver. I'd love to see him in an LMP car.
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If he wins Le Mans, he joins Graham Hill as the only Motorsport Triple Crown winner.
I don't think he'll rue his lack of success in NASCAR all that much...

Falango
(...) As for older tracks being safer, not likely. Paved runoffs and better barriers are making tracks safer than ever. Verstappens crash at Monaco would have left him with bad injuries if it happened 30 years ago, even in todays car if you ask me. The downside to these safer tracks is the drivers abuse the track boundaries, because the repercussions are minimal compared to yesterday. Run wide at Parabolica today, just a bit of pavement. Run wide there a few years ago, kitty litter!
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I think Verstappen would be dead 30 years ago. Actually, I'm pretty certain he would be gone.

To anyone that hasn't, the "1" documentary is fantastic if you are interested in the safety of motorsports. They go into great detail into what went in to making sure we didn't lose 3-4 drivers per year any more. I've been following F1 since the '83 season and have seen 2 drivers die in F1. My dad followed it from the early 60's until 2010 and saw a lot more than that in a season more than once.
 
I think Montoya did just fine in Cup, even if he never won on an oval. Like Joe said, those guys have been racing stock cars a long time. He had the equipment, the team, and the talent. He simply didn't have the experience. Jamie Mcmurray won Daytona, Indy and Charlotte with Juan as his teammate. Jamie is a good driver, but even as a fan, I can't say I think he's as gifted as JPM. Experience.
 
Anyone that could be the division winner for the week should be aware that they could get a prize. That means keeping an eye on the thread a bit closer than usual. Everyone should have a good idea of who will be finishing near the top for the night.
 
CanuckleheadII
So sorry...was out of town...honestly didn't think I snagged a prize! All good...would've froze the car.
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If you're not sure whether you have a chance of getting a prize what I do is check the SNAIL Data Spreadsheet found here on Monday:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...gEgTJk7lyBkInRFT0aZI/edit?pli=1#gid=136384956

If you're on a computer look to the bottom and click on the race date + division you're in and look if you're at the top of the list. If you're 1st or 2nd try to keep an eye on the thread to be ready if one of the prize winners ends up to be you. If you want to dig deeper if you scroll to the right of the page in every divisional results you can look at the adjusted total, if it's a lot higher in 3 other divisions compared to yours I would probably not bother looking.
 
DesertPenguin09
Because back then the tracks were fast and since then have been remade to be slower. It's unfortunate because it was an immediate response to the many deaths in F1 at the time but since then the cars and safety technologies have vastly improved. They could probably run the old versions now and be safer than they were back in the day.
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I'm going with the notion that by "faster" you're referring to the difference(s) in corners, not lap times...
 

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