(1) The Sim Wheel's Effect On Car Control...(Fanatec Example)

[RacerXX]

Folks, this is not a hand holding How-To mod thread, it's mostly about how sim wheels can affect car control. I have no products to sell nor any interest in that at all. Hence the title. I've made many mods to my wheel in order for it to have negligible drag and high linearity down to low FFB levels. I've suggested that eK look into some of what I have noted and see that he has done some initial "low friction" work. That's where I was over a year ago.

As I modded my wheel I found the low drag / high linearity direction to be particularly enjoyable to drive once I had some above stock torque (the latter is quite easy to achieve by comparison). This nature is something the pricey servo wheels can inherently do even better, they should prove quick and immersive from what I am experiencing having gone as far in that direction as I could on a Fanatec as far as behavior goes. That is why I've been playing with some DIY direct drive servo and drop-in brushless (even lower drag with fewer esoteric tweaks) concepts this year since multiple belt ratio drives have drawbacks.

I just ran some Wheelchecks for linearity. The wheel first responds with motion at about a 15 FFB signal (out of 10,000). Possibly a few less but it seems to be more than 10 as I used a 5 step (0, 5, 10, 15, 20, etc) test. My guess is 12-13. The device is now linear past about 35 with the most recent tweaks and some adjustment / lubing (was about 45-50). This is way, way, way better than stock or commonly modded Fanatec wheels. The latter are basically high drag devices. On step tests the wheel keeps going way after the test stops sending FFB signals to it. At first the plots look like the wheel is still being fed pulses! The drag to slow it down as rapidly as some of you have noticed has been removed. And the special end stops I just added pay dividends as less energy is lost when they engage.

Doesn't matter about the exact details, the idea I'm sharing is more about "what does a wheel like this drive like" which is my point and the purpose of this thread. My statement is that it is FASTER to have linearity and low drag and I believe that this puts the capable driver more in control of their car. Earlier sensing of issues along with an easier ability to make fast wheel inputs so that the car stays on line and in control better. The hockey stick plot wants a much shorter blade for those of you familiar with wheelchecking.

I've set many PBs, splits, and several outright track records recently. I can do the same tracks / cars with a stock behaving setup and I simply cannot match those times no matter how hard I try. Maybe some of you could beat me on a stock wheel, that is fine and I'd expect that. You'd cream me running a wheel behaving like mine though. When I go back to modded I can do within about 0.2 of my best on any given day. It's what I called "magic" a few times. Suddenly the car can make it through tough zones with fewer and less frequent "moments". The driver's intent is making it through the steering wheel and onto the race track more faithfully. The goal is clear to me if you are modding and want more on -track speed.

I can see that this can be frustrating for some of you, I'm not planning to show everything I did to accomplish the results I've achieved. I am not doing easy or common forum mods you can google. If you are not a creative DIY type that is fine, if I were you I'd simply save up for a servo wheel which should prove even better. Even eK seems to note that in the end servo has better potential when it comes to modding a Fanatec wheel with more and more time and dollars. I've simply gotten my Fanatec wheel to work much more like a servo wheel, in that performance direction. It has been a fun hobby project for me.

Again, the main thing I am trying to share is that you really, really want linearity and you really, really, really want a wheel that does not hold back your intended inputs with drag and delays. If you feel that poor linearity, dead zones, and drag are okay well that is fine with me. I would not want to race like that though. I pretty much hate driving the wheel in the stock configuration, it's just dull and slow in feel and against the stop watch.

 

[eKretz]

I think we get the point by now guy. You've only repeated yourself what, 5 or 10 times now? Do you really think you're the only person in the sim world who understands linearity? It's not us who are missing the point here. The point we are trying to get across to you is that you're not giving us anything we don't all already understand. Cutting drag helps the feel of the wheel and may make .000000001 second difference to our split time - do you really think so little of all of our intellects that we wouldn't already grasp that? You are espousing something that we all consider common sense and you seem to think is some kind of secret. It's not your readers who seem to have the mental block my friend.

Not one person has ever asked for any kind of "hand-holding" when inquiring about anything you may or may not have done. Posting a picture is not "hand-holding." And I am absolutely sure that nothing you are doing is beyond the ability of probably quite a few of the members of the sim community. If you were actually trying to be helpful there would be no shortage of persons able to try some of your (if they exist) mods. The more you backpedal the more everyone thinks you are a shyster.

As far as the linearity "issue" with my wheel, there isn't one. Again, it has absolutely nothing to do with friction in my wheel base. It's the motors, chief. They are stronger, have larger commutators and larger brushes. All of which add a little power-off friction but this is mostly negated when powered (and even if it weren't it's worth every bit IMO since they are easily a billion times more reliable and more powerful to boot). The motors take a little more voltage to get kicking than the stock cheapies, no doubt. But that doesn't really affect much of anything - as noted by pretty much every single person who has used them. Every single one has commented about feeling the smaller forces much better than with the stock motors, graphs be d@mned. Oh, and another thing - I haven't bothered to do a 5 level incremented minimum force test because I'm not OCD about it like you are buddy. However, I can tell you that my wheel gets moving steadily by the first force level in the standard minimum force test with no problem - that's a force of 50/10,000 or 1/2 of 1% of the available force. It doesn't respond perfectly linearly at this level because the firmware isn't sending enough power to the non-stock motors to let them do so. Your wheel responds linearly because the firmware was written for the stock motors - it has naught to do with your drag reduction.

And of course servo wheels are better than spending out the hiney on modding a belt drive wheel. Direct drive with a much more powerful motor that isn't being pushed within an inch of it's life is certainly a far better way of going about things. All my mod does is try to make a decent wheel the way it should have been from the factory (reliable!) and add a little more power. If Fanatec had used a set of good motors like the Bühlers from the start and just limited the amperage to get stock power levels and written their firmware to overcome the slightly higher power necessary to overcome the lower end linearity dip (for console use) they'd have had a rock solid reliable bad-@ss near-perfect wheel for the price-point that would still be selling like hotcakes and they'd have been money ahead from not having all the motor-related warranty claims.

 

[Lucas Moreira]

Again, Eric has said it perfectly.

You are in denial my friend, we all already get your CONCEPT and if that is all this thread is good for then there is no point on you posting further. You make claims and show no proof. Nobody here is asking you to give us a step by step guide.

Let me just take a quick poll here... Does anyone here really give a **** about getting a step by step guide from this guy? Nope... Didn't think so.

We don't even want you to prove that LOW DRAG = WIN we can all acertain that by ourselves inspite of being clearly mentally challenged in comparison with your insurmountable genious.

We would just like to see any shred of proof for what you are saying, a video of you powering up the wheel and it going through the cycle. Or a quick picture of the inside of the wheel. You don't even need to explain **** all. For example, I would love to see how your BS LOW DRAG END STOP TM or whatever fits inside the wheel. Don't need you to explain how you made it.

The state of the union right now is as follows. You make crazy outlandish claims and keep hammering the lowdrag=win point and we keep asking you to prove it. Then you say that it would take too long to explain. Dispense with the explanations bro.. no one cares. We want proof and nothing else.

Now that we all agree with you that LOW Drag = Win and you have made your point (10000 times over)... can we move on to something else? Yes yes yes we all want linearity wooo hoo.. lets all hop on the linearity band wagon yaaaaya.... now proof plz.

You've set track records? Where.. show me the proof!! What sim? When? What track? Anything?

GUys guys guys.. I just set the absolute lowest friggin time on the nurburgring... I did it in 4 minutes flat on my souped up Mazda 3 on street tires man. It was dope as ****, but no one saw it because it was at midnight and I snuck into the track. Did I mention I own a private jet to fly my mazda wherever I want? But yeah, legit track.. you can all put a picture of me on your wall now as the fastest Mazda 3 Nurburgring lap EVER!

Now now.. do you see what we mean? That statement above although completely unbelievable and unsubstantiated is exactly the sort of thing that you keep doing on this thread. No one believes you bro! Sure we agree with your concept and all but we just don't see how your claims can be true and for that reason this thread is unable to go back to being "On Topic" Because now the TOPIC is wether or not you are full of it.

You could shut us all up once and for all by just posting a picture of the inside of your wheel without any further explanation. Heck even a video of the thing powering on without it being some super edited Gif ********. I would also require that you hold the day's newspaper in front of the camera. =P

 

[novadave]

The Popcorn is a Popin

 

[eKretz]

Hope you're using Space Butter™ to make that popcorn!

 

[CubPilot]

The Popcorn is a Popin

Hmmmmm, I like popcorn!

So let's make this easy Rxx. Picture, add a little PS to point to the modded part + One sentence, "This is my mod that does ___________ (fill in the blank).

Let the show begin!

P. S. Um, I won't be holding my breath

 

[LeMansAid]

I've got no reason to doubt the mods done. Also, RXX bought the wheel (a CSR Elite) when CSWs were readily available, so perhaps Xbox 360 compatibility is/was a thing. That would mean that he might be running the only servo or servo-equivalent 360 wheel around. I can see the fun in that project.

It might be inspiring to some to see the wheel in use. I realise that much of it would be in the subtle feel, but there must be some super quick return speeds going on that could be shown. Maybe a drifting vid with stock rim fizzing through the fingers perhaps? I'd be genuinely interested to see.

 

[RacerXX]

I've got no reason to doubt the mods done. Also, RXX bought the wheel (a CSR Elite) when CSWs were readily available, so perhaps Xbox 360 compatibility is/was a thing. That would mean that he might be running the only servo or servo-equivalent 360 wheel around. I can see the fun in that project.

It might be inspiring to some to see the wheel in use. I realise that much of it would be in the subtle feel, but there must be some super quick return speeds going on that could be shown. Maybe a drifting vid with stock rim fizzing through the fingers perhaps? I'd be genuinely interested to see.

Oh this stuff has been in use for about a year, and I've improved things over time. Lots of changes, things tried, broken bits. So that I could have more of this without more of that side effect more or less. WHY did this help and HOW COME this unwanted thing came up...well I made an effort along those lines and it paid off. I already had to beef up my recent zero drag steering travel limiters as I broke them the other day. So that got improved this week along with further looking into the RH stop startup cycle issues that arose and which I later resolved.

Yes, you do feel more, which permits the capable hot shoe to start any needed corrections that much earlier and with a higher chance of the car staying stable enough to hold line and take power. The super quick return speeds are to be covered in (2), when I get some video editing completed. I've got to pull out some sample clips from a bunch of footage, takes awhile maybe this weekend hopefully this month in any event. I have some from some very, very fast laps that I cannot duplicate the splits from using a stock behaving wheel. And some of those may not have come out clear enough meaning more driving (aww shucks). Trust me I have tried and tried since last Summer and believe that stock is slow. It turns out that some "accepted" sim racing benchmarks turned out to be incorrect. I have data and video on that. There is a lot more to look into too. It can be like the hydra from Greek mythology wherein when you cut one head off, two more grow back. That's part of why we race I suppose. The challenge, the testing of oneself, the bottom line.

Someone had posted disappointment above about my thought that it would take months to explain some of this stuff. Remember that some of you get to just pop off a quick (and sometimes derisive) comment tagging along with the group sentiment some espouse. Yet your time investment was the time it took you to rapidly type out a couple sentences which you already know some in the group that posts often will support. I need to test and do photos and videos and that certainly does take a lot longer to do than the time it takes to type out. Some of you simply invest another 25 seconds of your time to post a funny one liner ad hoc. Hey spend some more of your own time and try this stuff out (on topic) and report back in this or other threads.

Bear in mind that some simple ideas such as a quick swap to German motors combined with an air nozzle have taken much longer than a few months of posting to explain. I felt that that particular direction was a dead end long ago so I went another way. Umm, I am doing an awful lot more than that commercial approach inside my CSR-E. And the thing also needs to be kept fine tuned or on edge, like a real racecar. I have many motors, custom stuff, yada, yada. Added mechanisms, a different layout, some of it is very obvious (to me anyway) yet noone else is doing it or if they are they don't seem to post much about it. My idea was that these sim wheels are for racing enjoyment and that a big part of that is being fast on the race track. When I can I'll pick up one of the commercial servo wheels to see if I can beat some of my hot laps and somewhere along the way may have my own DIY version.

I come up with my own ideas on this stuff and lots of them fail, shrug. That's fine whenever I investigate something more questions arise and some of those bear fruit when looked into. Usually the main shortage is time. I don't check to see what others have done or decide if I should or shouldn't do this or that because some forum kings may disapprove. I'm really not much of a fan of what I term "Forum Correctness". Again just look into how group dynamics can massively delay or encumber tech progress . The physics of it all does not care about such sentiments. So in a way I've had the pleasure of driving a PS/Xbox/PC wheel that behaves in the same neighborhood as the upcoming servo wheels...since around Spring of last year. That may be the best way to go for many people, budget permitting. Start saving now and I have no affiliation at all with any of them, no COI! If they drive like my wheel then they will feel great and like magic you'll keep finding course time and new personal bests.

Remember my comments about forums and group think? Well if you find yourself strong enough to think independently (very rare) then you may come up with some cool stuff if you make the effort and the rest of your life permits the time for your hobby interests here and there. Just a general thought, it applies to about anything in life. Apriori.

 

[eKretz]

Bear in mind that some simple ideas such as a quick swap to German motors combined with an air nozzle have taken much longer than a few months of posting to explain.

Horse****. It took no more than a few minutes to explain along with a few photos. You are so F.O.S. it's not even funny. Your ideas are no more complex than anyone else's in anyone's mind but your own. Modding a sim wheel is not rocket science. Nobody expressed disappointment in your statement that it would take months to explain your mod dude. We pretty much unanimously derided that statement - as would anyone else with any common sense. You are deluded. But hey keep right on thinking everyone is just out to get you and attack your ideas because you're so much smarter than everybody else. I think you have some sort of disorder honestly. The reason people don't like you is because you behave in an unlikeable fashion - no other reason. If it didn't bother you I don't think you'd complain about being "attacked." If it does bother you all you need to do to fix it is to stop behaving that way.

It doesn't take any time at all to say what works. I haven't gone on and on about all the other crap I tried that didn't work either. Nobody even wants to hear that.

As far as group dynamics, you are totally distorting the issue by bringing that up at all. The group dynamics that can delay development are from a group actually working together, not from some individual telling a group what he has done, you nincompoop. And there are almost certainly as many studies that say just the opposite. But you're not going to quote those because you have an agenda and they don't help prove your point.

 

[Cote Dazur]

I am done, another one made it to the list,
I suggest to all to do the same.
Sorry Racer, that last post is the straw that broke the camel back.
Over and out.

 

[Lucas Moreira]

Whoa racer.. man.. seriously?! Still with the same friggin speech? You are in denial my friend! Serious denial!

You keep saying I have this I have that oh it takes so long to put together... no one cares we have told you this already. We even said that all we would require to start believing in you would be a quick video of the thing powering on without it being a gif, or perhaps a picture of the inside is all.

I guess I give up, its clear to me now that you really have nothing there.. and even if you do have something, your complete lack of ability to share even the most remote shred of usable information that isn't another low drag = win statement makes this thread effectively useless.

Well not to fret folks! I made a video of my own here to share with you all.

This one reveals the sheer awesomeness of SPACE BUTTER!

Its a vine so bear with me here! http://t.co/0FT5f3Ksre

I will elaborate a little because I know the video is a little confusing for you folks(hehehehe). But basically I applied space butter on everything, including my hands. And altough it looks slow, you must remember that I shot the video with a high speed camera so you could actually see my hand move instead of just a blur. Also, I am not actually moving my hands per-se.. those coins attached to my hand act as a positronic antenna that captures my thoughts and relays them to the internal components of the wheel. That plus the NEGATIVE friction of space butter = TELEKINETIC driving.

I took space butter over the my local university and the teachers were ASTONISHED by it's properties and it looks like I will be busy meeting with NASA over the next few weeks/months/years so I don't actually have time to post the proof for all of that stuff. It will just take way too long and I am not sure your simple minds can understand the sheer awesome of space butter.

Anyway, I am taking orders.. 1lb of SPACE BUTTER should last you 100 years and will be yours for the low low price of $999.99 and I personally guarantee you track records on every event as long as you use SPACE BUTTER.

Cheers

Also on a sidenote Racer... You shouldn't really be downplaying what Eric did as just a simple mod bla bla bla.. sure it might be simple on the surface but he actually took the time to figure out what would work and he did so while sharing information with those interested.

He could have simply said.. change your motors to better ones and you will have better feel. There end of story. Which is basically where we are at with your side of things. Instead he gave pretty decent explanations without going on and on and on hammering the same point. He also provided pictures that quite clearly show the work he has done. Again, without going into absurd detail. This is why the community doesn't like you all that much, you make it very difficult for us to like you since you are always downplaying others and generally insinuating we are all stupid.

Also, just so we are clear here - We all agree that low drag = win and we all agree that reducing drag is a good thing so plz plz PLEASE move on from that dreadful point.

 

[MartyU]

Bear in mind that some simple ideas such as a quick swap to German motors combined with an air nozzle have taken much longer than a few months of posting to explain. I felt that that particular direction was a dead end long ago so I went another way. Umm, I am doing an awful lot more than that commercial approach inside my CSR-E. And the thing also needs to be kept fine tuned or on edge, like a real racecar. I have many motors, custom stuff, yada, yada.

"Quick swap to German motors"? Apparently you haven't been paying attention to Eric's work on a motor mod which, unlike you, he has generously shared in detail with all of us.

"Dead end"? Again, have you been paying attention? The Buhler motor has already proved to solve the biggest problem with the CSE/CSW wheels.

There is some serious delusion going on here.

 

[eKretz]

Lucas - that is a mighty high-tech lab that you developed the Space Butter™ in. It looks quite a lot like my kitchen stove but I'm pretty sure that's just the effect of a warp on the space-time continuum due to the effect of the Space Butter™ on the atmosphere around it!

 

[RacerXX]

"Quick swap to German motors"? Apparently you haven't been paying attention to Eric's work on a motor mod which, unlike you, he has generously shared in detail with all of us.

"Dead end"? Again, have you been paying attention? The Buhler motor has already proved to solve the biggest problem with the CSE/CSW wheels.

There is some serious delusion going on here.

Umm, those are actually quite simple mods. I'm sure we'll disagree and mean no disrespect but sheesh it's rather trivial. It's so easy that I've had tons of different motors on my base. I must have around 30 in my collection. My base is arranged so that it is inherently quite simple and easy (no tools!) to swap and change belts, motors, layouts, add extra bits that allow the low drag yet high torque trick due to how I configured the mounts and changed the base so long ago. Super awesome for research. If you are just fearful of losing a stock motor or have gone through many and can't take it anymore by all means buy one of eK's products or do your own setup. I would use an eK rig if I needed a setup like that and did not have the time or skills to improve how the wheel functions. The reason why I call it a dead end (truly no disrespect is intended) is that it leaves you stuck with stock-like levels of drag / linearity woes hence it simply cannot reach towards the servo wheel levels of capability I'm at least in the same neighborhood of presently. You'll see what I mean if you try a servo wheel someday. You feel things better / sooner / more clearly. Immediacy. You can react to things more confidently and effectively. I suggest that folks who want more feel and speed simply save up for a servo rig. It would be easier than what I did.

What I've done is very different than just a swap or engine transplant. First of all this is a hobby wheel and I do not want to sell copies or parts or explain the mechanisms and how to make and tune them. I made the wheel inherently much more efficient and looked for how to gain speed on the track as I amateur race and enjoy that too and have tons of driver data and see where alien drivers gain speed. The same basic factors are at work in sim racing after all. Again I have no interest in selling anything so I just looked into how sim wheels can help us find speed since this interests me. Feel and car control via my mods increased to the point that you can research human factors such as I've been doing. Hence a thread about car control aspects. I found a number of things out that I've been sharing here, you cannot do this nearly as well without a research oriented wheel such as mine. Remember that I have tried all sorts of wheel drives out and bluntly what eK is doing won't cause servo wheel companies any concern, that strategy simply can't get to their level of feel and control. Based on Wheelchecks I have seen for DIY servo wheels and the Bodnar I know for sure I am not that far off. There may even be a thing or too my approach does better. I didn't aim for those wheels, this just happened since their goal is actually the same as mine. It has nothing to do with servos or belt drive wheels per se. My hobby wheel has added mechanisms and does require fine tuning fairly often to get things in perfect balance and is not at it's very best until around 8 minutes of warmup time. A servo wheel will be much simpler to use.

I set another track record tonight. Solved a problem corner that was holding me back. After doing this and with the wheel nice and warmed up it was able to hold about 24 pounds steady at the OD of the Formula Rim I used this evening (fish scale). I can go higher, up to somewhere in the 40s but that can break stuff and I'd use another power supply whose fan is pretty loud. At the exact same time drag is so low that it can do what is shown below. The low drag and higher than stock linearity extending nearly to 0 FFB signal levels (no hockey stick blade on a linearity plot) help make the wheel well suited for looking into how to find time on virtual race courses. So I've been doing that and shared (1) and am working on (2). The latter is pretty interesting but will take some time to do right. This forum may not be the best place for a topic like this so I may just do things on my own site, we'll see. I can prove where and why time is being found and lost on some very fast laps and can show why most sim wheels are actually holding us back for sure and what can be done to help this out. You need a research capable wheel to be able to do things like this. If you don't want to do research and don't care about finding more speed on the track breaking PBs and overall records then eK's setup is fine if you just want something simple.

I'd prefer to see this thread stay more on topic. I may have missed it but I am assuming that most folks may agree or be persuadable that linearity and low drag are extremely important. This is my main point in "(1) The Sim Wheel's Effect On Car Control". I don't think it matters what eK is doing as far as this research topic goes. I'm just saying that when I run a stock-ish setup with similar motors to the KillerBeez he uses, that the wheel is slower on the track and with duller feel than what I am working with. That makes it a dead end for research and ultimate track speed. That is not a personal statement at all, it's factual. It's just data.

Oh yeah you can see the effect of my zero drag mechanical limiters in this GIF. This helps the wheel freewheel better in this test since less energy is lost. Look how the wheel likes to settle upside down, that rim is heaviest at the top so this occurs. The new stops also enjoy very slightly lower drag and inertia the rest of the time. Now my stock limiter serves duty as a pencil holder on my desk. Those of you who saw my cold wheel spin test may have noticed that the wheel lost momentum at the bounce off of the mechanical stop...this was due to the threads on the stock limiters locking with one another thus creating some drag. That design is a Dead End if you want a zero drag mechanical stop. It's fine for what it is though (for use on a high drag wheel).

 

[Lucas Moreira]

Dude, your gif is bogus, I can produce a gif like that in five minutes by just disconnecting the belts on my CSW. Heck, I could just mount my F1 Rim on a rod and a bearing and get the same effect your gif shows.

That proves nothing.. again and again and again.. SHOW US THE THING POWERING ON.. VIDEO NOT GIF. Is it so hard to understand?

Second - STOP talking about your lap records and this and that if you are not going to provide any proof. Hey guys I went to the moon last night, it was dope! Saw where the moon mission landed and all. Didn't take pics because battery was dead sorry.. Seriously guy.. EVIDENCE or nothing.


*takes deep breath...* Ok.. you know what.. forget what I just said above. Seriously.. I am done here. This is starting to get REALLY sad and pathetic.. I am starting to feel bad for you Racer because there are only two possible explanations here. You are either ENTIRELLY deluded on whats going on around you or just an immense troll of proportions unheard of to me till this day.

Anyway.. as far as this thread goes, its a dead end. WE HAVE ALL AGREED THAT LOW DRAG = WIN. We just don't believe your claims of track records, and 0.005g wheel drag and what not... stupid AND pointless at this point.

The guy with supposedly the most advanced modded wheel to ever grace this earth can't even show a picture of the inside or even one that shows the base? pffffft...

I am going to say it three times so we are all clear here.

WE agree with your point that low drag = win
LOW DRAG = WIN
LOW DRAG = WIN
LOW DRAG = WIN
LINEARITY RULES
LINEARITY RULES
LINEARITY RULES

There.. this thread is now useless, your end point has been reached. Congratulations dude! I am putting up a picture of you on my wall as I speak (while I look for my darts...)


ANyway... I am out, racer is going on the ignore list this guy is just way too far gone.

 

[novadave]

The only thing this proves is that you probably just removed the belts at the least to get the results you claim.
And even if what you claim is true it is irrelevant as once you power on the wheel your so called low drag effect goes straight out the window.
Your so called brake pedal mod is also absurd. By replacing the oil with a higher viscosity type to the point of slowing down the shock rebound you seem to think that this would actually help the braking upon release. The only thing you have done is stall the rebound so much that you end up with momentary play in the mounting point at brake release.
And with no other way to have the pedal return to rest since you have stalled the shock rebound you end up with a non responsive shock for a second or two. How do you expect us to believe that you could actually modulate the brake under such a circumstance. (We do not see any return spring other than the shock`s own coil spring)
So I guess you are returning your brake pedal by hand to it`s stop position to try to show what magic you have done.

Note - have you ever paid back Anthony the money you owed him for destroying his Elise.

 

[pilmat]

Stop feeding the trolls guys

 

[eKretz]

Every mod is pretty simple when it comes right down to it. Once you've figured out what to do they are all nothing but following steps. For people who make things for a living that is as simple as it gets. For people who have no concept of or experience with machining it's very complex and difficult. Those guys are the ones I aim to help. RXX, it's clear by this point that you aim to help no one but yourself - and think you deserve some kind of gratitude for it. Truly you are a selfish and self-serving fellow.

 

[Lucas Moreira]

I did some research with a little help from a little birdie and I basically found out this guy is a SERIAL troll, with many many forum accounts on everything ranging from Racing to Photography and his MO is basically the same as what we have seen on this thread.

This guy's actual HOBBY seem's to be to troll thats it thats all folks.

 

[Vagabond]

Folks, this is not a hand holding How-To mod thread, it's mostly about how sim wheels can affect car control.

I'd like to be able to support this assertion but after baking my noodle for the last half hour trying to find something approaching a useful resource in this topic, I'm sad to say that all I actually see is a shameless self-promoting ego with a predilection for overwhelming reason with massive volumes of repetitive text. (That was the short diagnosis.)

On that premise, I'm shutting you down until you can:

1) Prove that you have something of worth to offer
2) Respond to questions with answers both informative and relevant