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Is there a real comparison between 480P mode and Monster S-Video Cables? Does it look alot clearer?

Sorry if it sounds newbish, I have no idea what to expect
 
ChristmasGTO
Is there a real comparison between 480P mode and Monster S-Video Cables? Does it look alot clearer?

Sorry if it sounds newbish, I have no idea what to expect


There is no real comparison 480p is better. To get either 480p/1080i out of GT4 you will need an HDTV and a component video cable. I have both the Monster comp cable and the Sony one, I cannot see any difference between them even in 480p mode. I suggest that you look at the back of your TV if you have a component video input (it will say Y Pr B and be green red and blue) you scrap that monster s-video cable and get a compnent cable. You will notice a difference. Even if your TV does not support HDTV a component cable will make a big difference if you have a component video input.

BTW what model is your TV?
 
oiboy
There is no real comparison 480p is better. To get either 480p/1080i out of GT4 you will need an HDTV and a component video cable. I have both the Monster comp cable and the Sony one, I cannot see any difference between them even in 480p mode. I suggest that you look at the back of your TV if you have a component video input (it will say Y Pr B and be green red and blue) you scrap that monster s-video cable and get a compnent cable. You will notice a difference. Even if your TV does not support HDTV a component cable will make a big difference if you have a component video input.

BTW what model is your TV?

Yes, Component will make a big difference.

Monster Component cables will make an even bigger difference...
You should calibrate your television set.

My Sony Wega has been calibrated by myself to my PS2's DVD player.
I switched from Sony brand Component cables to Monster brand component cables and the difference was very noticeable, even at 480i...

FFX-2 looks drastically better with almost 0 alaising issues(except for the shadows from the girls) and very minimal shimmer. The special effects look so crisp and colorful I can't describe them. Imagine a giant Jolly Rancher candy.

I adjusted:

Red Push <-Service Menu
Black Levels <-Service Menu
Geometry *Including Horizontal Size, Vertical Size, all four corner Pins, Horizontal Center, Vertical Center, Vertical Score, Vertical Angle, etc, etc, etc, etc.*<-Service Menu
Turned off Velocity Scan Modulation <- from the Service Menu.
Black Levels (Brightness) <- User Menu
Sharpness to 0 <- User Menu
Contrast <- User Menu
Color <- User Menu
Set the Picture input strength to the highest setting <- User Menu
Cleaned the screen with Endust

This took a long, long, time but was well worth it.
Ofcourse having a Sony Wega with Trinitron Technology and better component color seperation helps a bit :)
 
Buck-O
It would look just like the one you posted.

This is why 4:3 standared TV content looks fat and wide on a 16:9 TV. And if you set your PS2, and GT3 to 16:9, it will look tall and skinny on a 4:3 TV.

True, unless you own something like a 4:3 Sony Wega with 16:9 Enhanced Mode, like me, which actually readjusts the picture tubes to actually display the 33% more resolution you get from a 16:9 TV.

This also depends on the game.
Grand Prix Challenge = True Anamorphic Widescreen (More picture and less jaggies)
Jak3 = Not True Widescreen
 
BrightIco
Yes, Component will make a big difference.

Monster Component cables will make an even bigger difference...
You should calibrate your television set.

My Sony Wega has been calibrated by myself to my PS2's DVD player.
I switched from Sony brand Component cables to Monster brand component cables and the difference was very noticeable, even at 480i...

FFX-2 looks drastically better with almost 0 alaising issues(except for the shadows from the girls) and very minimal shimmer. The special effects look so crisp and colorful I can't describe them. Imagine a giant Jolly Rancher candy.

I adjusted:

Red Push <-Service Menu
Black Levels <-Service Menu
Geometry *Including Horizontal Size, Vertical Size, all four corner Pins, Horizontal Center, Vertical Center, Vertical Score, Vertical Angle, etc, etc, etc, etc.*<-Service Menu
Turned off Velocity Scan Modulation <- from the Service Menu.
Black Levels (Brightness) <- User Menu
Sharpness to 0 <- User Menu
Contrast <- User Menu
Color <- User Menu
Set the Picture input strength to the highest setting <- User Menu
Cleaned the screen with Endust

This took a long, long, time but was well worth it.
Ofcourse having a Sony Wega with Trinitron Technology and better component color seperation helps a bit :)



Just thought i would help to clear some things up for you.


Changing your cables shouldent effect your picture THAT much. As has already bee discussed in this thread, ive had my TV set ISF callibrated. I switched from the Sony component cables, to the Monster component cables (for length issues), and noticed no enhancment in picture quality at all whatsoever.

IMHO, if you noticed an improvment, it was do to outside interfearence that was acting on your older SONY brand component cables. Such as a power cord, or a front mounted input on your TV, which can be "colored" by the EMF from the tubes in the TV due to where the wires run int eh cabinet.

There have been literally hundreds of studied on this. Monster cables are actually preaty mediocre in their quality. Not saying you shouldent buy them. Just saying dont go out of your way to shell out the $40+ to get them. WHen an off brand cable will suit you just as well. And infact, may very well be made in the same facility as Monster has theirs made in (this is the case with teh new XBOX component cable from Microsoft, it has the same lead, and cable ends as the monster cable set, and costs $15 less).



Also, changing any setting on your TV in the service menu, without proper understanding of what your doing, is a HUDGE no, no. You can seriously damage your set doing it. For teh advanced user, this is no problem. For the average joe on this messageboard, its information you simply dont give out, or suggest.


And if you are going to balance your TV, dont use a transport as CRAPTACULAR as a PS2, to do it. If you actually do a proper line level test with a PS2, you will find out that color output is terribly off, geometry is skewed at random, and it has a tendency to overscan and onderscan at random as well. Missing pixels on screen edges, and mis-represented colors are common amongts the PS2 DVD players flaws. So to hear you say you corrected red-push, and geometry flaws with a PS2 DVD player...honestly makes me laugh. Chances are you threw your TV further out of alignment, then it was at the stock settings. If your going to calibrate useing your DVD player. Be DARN SURE you know what kind of video issues your player has, before you trust it with the life of your $2000+ TV.

And lastly, you do know that Sony, and its amazing Trinitron uber technology, hasent been made by Sony, and put into any of their TV's for the last 4 years? Yes, thats right, Sony dosnt make their own trinitron tubes anymore. They are all farmed out to companies in China, and Korea. And are the same facilities that produce them for GE, RCA, Sylvania, Mitsubishi, and Samsung, just to name a few. The only thing that really makes sony's TV's any differnt is the video processors. Which have a tendency to make teh picture a bit to bright. At any rate, Trinitron line grid alignment is not elite exclusive technology anymore, and shouldent be treated as such. As long as your happy with it, fine. But dont read the marketing material as if it where gospel. Especially after you calibrate it with a PS2. THats like saying, "i drive a Ferrari 360, and i keep her fueled up with ARCO." Kinda defeates the purpose.

And, as a side note, component cables dont seperate the colors...its seperates the Chrominance, and Luminance from the video signal, which helps eliminate dot crawl, and image bleed. WHich as a result provides sharper colors. But it doesnt seperate them. Infact, the color all comes across on a single cable.
 
BrightIco
True, unless you own something like a 4:3 Sony Wega with 16:9 Enhanced Mode, like me, which actually readjusts the picture tubes to actually display the 33% more resolution you get from a 16:9 TV.

This also depends on the game.
Grand Prix Challenge = True Anamorphic Widescreen (More picture and less jaggies)
Jak3 = Not True Widescreen


True, to an extent.

Considering that his TV doesnt have these features, and most people that own a 4:3 TV that supports 16:9 scaling dont know how to turn it on, bringin up that point to him, would have been moot.


Also, unless the TV is a HD compatible TV, with a high resolution tube, all the TV is doing is simply scaling the 16:9 image to fit at the proper aspect ratio on the tube. Its not actually readjusting the tubes to allow for more detail. In most cases it gives less detail on screen as the picture gets scaled. At best you are breaking even on quality. I can only thing of 4-5 4:3 sets that actually scale 16:9 properly at full resolution, even in HD. And they cost more then their 16:9 counterparts.



It does really suck though, that most 16:9 "supported" games on teh PS2 just crop the top and bottom, and call it good. I wish they where more strict with that. To keep it from happening. Thankfully GT3 and GT4 get it right.
 
tha_con
whatever, think what you want, show me where PS2 is capable of any of what you say.

It can produce 480p maximum. Let's take simple PC basics.

You make software capable of running many different effects. Yet you have hardware that is not capable of such. Upgrades will come out, and you can use new things. Think Doom 3.

GT4 features software features that are not yet available on current PS2 hardware, but considering that PD is first party, I'm more than sure they have an inside ear on what Sony is doing with PS3, hence they probably included TRUE 1080i for PS3. This function will not work on PS2, because it's NOT POSSIBLE.

How is this theory flawed?

uh never tought of that !!!
maybe the PS3 + ps2's gt4 will give us real 1080i !!! kickass if this is going to be happen 👍
 
Since this topic was bumped, I will add my 2 cents

PS2 can do 1080i, it is not upscaled. PS2 can do field rendering, and there is no one that limits 1080i to be 1920 in width as long as your scan rate and refresh rate at the analog output meets the spec of analog HDTV 1080i. Even broadcast 1080i can be 1280, 1440 or 1920 if you talk about the digital spec.

PS2 can be using 640x540 or 720x540 (most probably 640, it can be any arbitrary number) field based rendering for 1080i output.

You can call it a workaround but the signal at the component output is 1080i signal, although you can say it is not rendered at the highest resolution.
 
The 1080i resolition is much higher than 480p.

I have a 42" 1024x1024 Thomson Plasma and GT4 looks really great in 1080i not only simply upscaled.
 
iq996
The 1080i resolition is much higher than 480p.

I have a 42" 1024x1024 Thomson Plasma and GT4 looks really great in 1080i not only simply upscaled.

Mine is also a 42" 1024x1024 Plasma and I see some kind of dithering pattens all over the screen when using the 480p / 1080i mode. Do you see these patterns as well? Are these patterns normal when running gt4 at these modes? Anyone seeing the same thing?? I'm worrying about there's something wrong with my TV :indiff:

Anyone can help?
 
shumba
Hi all...
could you please post a video with 1080i mode???

thanks

I wonder who will want to pay several thousands of US for equipment/capturing devices just to capture the HD output of a game and make direct feed videos.

In another words, I don't think anyone will be able to post a 1080i mode direct feed video, unless that someone has access to such equipment/capturing devices.

If you mean hand-held camera taken video, then it will not be a problem for people with a DV.
 
I have a big problem. I spent 30 bucks on the Sony component cables. It took me like 20 minutes to get a picture from them, and when I did it was PURPLE. Everything. Purple. Garrhhh! I want to play the prettiest game ever... but I can't because the cables are screwed up.

Any help? I tried it on 2 HDTVs, in 480p and 1080i for both. wtf is wrong!?
 
iceburns288
I have a big problem. I spent 30 bucks on the Sony component cables. It took me like 20 minutes to get a picture from them, and when I did it was PURPLE. Everything. Purple. Garrhhh! I want to play the prettiest game ever... but I can't because the cables are screwed up.

Any help? I tried it on 2 HDTVs, in 480p and 1080i for both. wtf is wrong!?
duno, but i bought my sony componet cables and i dont think they look better. sometimes they look more jaggy, my friend mentioned anti-aliasing or something :dunce:
 
iceburns288
I have a big problem. I spent 30 bucks on the Sony component cables. It took me like 20 minutes to get a picture from them, and when I did it was PURPLE. Everything. Purple. Garrhhh! I want to play the prettiest game ever... but I can't because the cables are screwed up.

Any help? I tried it on 2 HDTVs, in 480p and 1080i for both. wtf is wrong!?

Check to make sure that your playstation is set to use the component cables. Its in the PS2 setup menu when the system first boots
 
Mattland
Check to make sure that your playstation is set to use the component cables. Its in the PS2 setup menu when the system first boots

haha, that would probably help. I feel like a total goober! ;)

I'll run off and check thanks! :)
 
Just got my US NTSC PStwo and US GT4 three days ago (I'm Swiss...)

I also have a PAL PS2 and PAL GT4. I have a Sharp LC37GA4E HDTV so I thought I have to have best quality possible on that screen.

Now, I'm sitting here with a huge disappointment: The PAL Version looks better in 580i than the US Version in 480p and even 1080i. 1080i is useless imo... more than an inch of black bars around the picture, terrible pixaleted HUD, same flickering AND LESS colors than the PAL Version (you can see vertical lines on the street and the background, sky picture if you look close) Other things that are not as good as in PAL: The surround prologic II is not that impressive as in PAL (much more effects) and even the ForceFeedback is imo only half as strong (same menu settings). And PAL doesn't suffer of any of these strange picture problems (shacking, flickering text etc.) 480p, 480i... where is the difference? same flickering, no improvement whatsoever. I have WMVHD, DivX HD samples and movies, lots of progressive scan material aswell so I should know how it should look... this is nada... real 1080i? :lol: no way...

Just repacked the US PStwo slim and put it up for sale... :grumpy: 👎
 

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