1232bhp 272mph Bugatti Veyron GT in the works.

[ferrari_chris]

Just to add a little more to the Veryon vs. F1 debate:

AFAIK, when the Veyron goes V-Max, you have to set it up.

Stop the car.
Select the V-Max setting. This pulls in all the wings, and gives only the level of downforce needed to stay on the road in a straight line. Maximum power.
Now, foot to the floor.

When in handling mode, it has wings extended and gives a lot more downforce.

It cannot reach the 400km/h+ in handling mode as there is too much drag. It cannot handle well in V-Max mode as there isn't enough downforce.

 

[Dave A]

Back on topic...I don't really see the poing in making the Veyron even quicker. What they've done already is enough to make the statement they intended to, IMO. I'm also surprised that 200hp is enough to push them an extra 19mph, I thought it might take more than that at that speed.

This first part can wait for another debate, but I came to that conclusion because I have read that in theory around a track, I rmember it wrong at first but it was a track called Talledega (seeing it mentioned in another thread jogged my memory) that a Veyron would beat an F1 car by a large margin, right or wrong that's how I came to that conclusion, maybe that's right but Talledega isn't your typic oval, I don't know I've never seen the track.

The second point, and more on topic, the 200bhp extra isn't giving the car an extra 19mph, remember the Veyron, already is capable of going faster than 252mph, it's just limited to 252, so exatctley how much extra speed the extra 200bhp would be giving the car isn't known.

 

[ND4SPD]

Without the Veyron being set up for V-max, what top speed can it achieve?

 

[Jay]

Back to G.T's original topic,


If I were to fork out over one million dollars for a Veyron and then to find out they were making a 1200bhp 270mph+ version I would be quite unhappy, reminds me of when people went out to but a new 2004 Pontiac GTO only to have 2005 come slightly face lifted and 400hp.

 

[YSSMAN]

QUOTE=danoff]They should show it off by winning a NASCAR race with it or something.[/QUOTE]

Well, I doubt it could happen for several reasons:

1) It would greatly depend on the track. Because the car automatically goes to handeling mode once a certain ammount of angle is turned at the wheel, the car could only compete on superspeedways like Daytona or Talledega. Any smaller, and I belive the turns would be too tight.

2) Fuel economy blows in the Veyron. I belive the figure is less than 3MPG when traveling near top speed. Most of the NASCAR models can go near 200MPH for about 15-20 laps at the superspeedways. Although they may not be going as fast, they wouldnt have to stop as much for fuel.

3) Tire wear would also be a problem on the Veyron, as going well above 200MPH on DOT-legal tires would probably shred them in less than five laps at Daytona. Of course, I presume that you assume the Veyron would be using similar Goodyear slicks like the NASACAR models, but I belive that the larger size and much, much heavier weight would almost negate that advantage.

4) Speaking of size, the vastness of the car and the poor outward visibility would almost make it dangerous at any NASCAR oval track. Keep in mind that the average NASCAR isnt much bigger Holden/Opel/Vauxhall Monaro (Pontiac GTO) in size, which compared to a Veyron, is rather small.

...I will admit, it would be fun to watch, just like when they had the Batmobile as the pacecar at the Batman Begins 500 last fall. But the Veyron wouldnt stand a chance for 500+ miles, no chance in hell.

 

[ferrari_chris]

Without the Veyron being set up for V-max, what top speed can it achieve?

375km/h.

 

[McLaren]

They should enter the Veyron into LE MANS ......... that would be really cool

272 MPH!..... that would be an amazing car.... but totally impractical!

If they did that, the R10s would still kill it. You have any idea how bad the gas mileage is for a Veyron over 180Mph?
Under 10Mpg.

Diesel R10 Vs. W16 Veyron on an Endurance race? We know the winner there.

 

[JCE]

Back to G.T's original topic,


If I were to fork out over one million dollars for a Veyron and then to find out they were making a 1200bhp 270mph+ version I would be quite unhappy, reminds me of when people went out to but a new 2004 Pontiac GTO only to have 2005 come slightly face lifted and 400hp.

Yes let's get back on topic. And I agree with you...if I spent over $1 million quid on a car only to find out less than a year later they bring out a better one for probably the same price? The GTO analogy is perfect, I know of someone who bought an '04 only to trade it in the first day the '05's arrived in the showroom.

 

[BMWteamPTG]

i dont know, the veyron in an impressive car. if theyre going to try to make something that can beat it, put it against f1 on an oval, and lets see who wins.

i bet the veyron as well as most of you have said

 

[Sharky.]

It seems like a good idea, even though the car is totally bonkers already...

Do you think this is because Bugatti might feel a bit threatened by the new CCR supposedly being capable of more than the old one (241mph+), and is aiming for the Veyron's "world's fastest production car title"?

My 2 cents.

 

[Dave A]

I think it's speculation, because it's so technically hard to do, not just from a power and serodynamics perspective, you have to look at relibility, stresses and thoes all important tyre's that connect you to the road. I don't think we'll see any car on road legal rubber beating the Veyron's speed for quite some time.

 

[ImprezaAddict]

Like 253 MPH isnt enough allready. I think the big news story here is who is going to be getting the contracts to make the tires that are going to be suitable for day-to-day driving and 270+MPH blasts down the raceway...

exactly my words
imagine in germanys autobahn

 

[GT4_Rule]

Even more insane stuff from the Veyron?

 

[STLbarcelona5]

My guess for the top speed, it won't be 272. I'm guessing 279. With the current Bugatti the plan was to make one that was 1000hp and did 400kph. Well 279 is 450kph. And on paper, that looks a bit nicer than 438kph. Am I wrong, probably, do I know the whole story, no. But if I had to guess what Bugatti's goal is, its 450.

 

[McLaren]

Do you think this is because Bugatti might feel a bit threatened by the new CCR supposedly being capable of more than the old one (241mph+), and is aiming for the Veyron's "world's fastest production car title"?

My 2 cents.

You mean the CCX?

In all honesty, between Koenigsegg and Bugatti, one is going to run the other into debt trying to make all these top speed cars, and right now, with VAG backing Bugatti, we could see Koenigsegg gone if this becomes a back-and-forth war.

 

[GT4_Rule]

I back 'Egg. They look a helluva lot better than Bugatti. I dont care if theres some B-U-G-G-A-T-I logo slapped on the front, I want looks and a car that I can actually live with.

 

[Poverty]

Most people who have driven the veyron dont constantly bang on about the top speed but instead of the sheer accerleration. No other car can hold a candle to it.

 

[ferrari_chris]

Most people who have driven the veyron dont constantly bang on about the top speed but instead of the sheer accerleration. No other car can hold a candle to it.

Yip. 👍

It can give the Carrera GT or the Enzo a 15 second head start, and still beat them to 300km/h!

0-200km/h - 7.3 seconds!
0-300km/h - 16.5 seconds!
200-300km/h - 9.2 seconds!

At 300km/h it's still pulling as hard as an STi at 130km/h.

And it's brakes are out of this world too.

 

[ls2_297]

It can give the Carrera GT or the Enzo a 15 second head start, and still beat them to 300km/h!

0-200km/h - 7.3 seconds!
0-300km/h - 16.5 seconds!
200-300km/h - 9.2 seconds!

At 300km/h it's still pulling as hard as an STi at 130km/h.

And it's brakes are out of this world too.

and it costs $1,000,000+ ................. no thanks

 

[Poverty]

I think this new one with the extra power is just to build on that sheer acceleration feeling rather than having a new uber top speed. However they would have to raise the top speed or non car enthiusiats wouldnt understand.

and it costs $1,000,000+ ................. no thanks

That is an good idea actually. Becasue after the veyron no car will ever excite you like it does.Ever again.

 

[Pebb]

I had a feeling the Veyron could go faster, but if Tuning firms get there hands on the Veyron. Then I reckon they can push the car to over 300MPH.

 

[Dave A]

Do you think they coulf on road legal tyre's though, that's the problem now, not power, cooling or aerodynamics, the Veyron has them nailed.

 

[ND4SPD]

Yip. 👍

It can give the Carrera GT or the Enzo a 15 second head start, and still beat them to 300km/h!

0-200km/h - 7.3 seconds!
0-300km/h - 16.5 seconds!
200-300km/h - 9.2 seconds!

At 300km/h it's still pulling as hard as an STi at 130km/h.

And it's brakes are out of this world too.

That'd be a cool video to see The Carrera GT, Enzo and Veyron drag! Maybe top gear should give her a try. Heck, they should put all the supercars against the Veyron down a strip of runway!

 

[Dave A]

Just to show how much faster it really is.

 

[GT4_Rule]

All for a million bucks.

Buy two Carreras and it will give you open-air fun, a V10, fuel economy, and the looks.

 

[Poverty]

I should rent a veyron, buy a couple suits and then proceed to mingle with the rich. They probably notice im a imposter but I will just need to flash the bugatti keys. Then I'll woo a social lite and steal all her money.

 

[YSSMAN]

Did someone run a Veyron at the Gumball 3000 this year? Or can we assume that will be done next year?

 

[Poverty]

I think there will be some this year.

 

[YSSMAN]

What course are they running? I saw that for 2005 it was a three leg event, and I have yet to download the videos for it. I might have to see if youtube has any...

 

[Sharky.]

You mean the CCX?

Whoops, I did, my bad.