2007 FORMULA 1™ Petrol Ofisi Turkish Grand Prix

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Sato and Davidson are pretty equal, so far. Sato's usually faster in race-pace, Davidson faster on hotlaps. They obviously have a "sweet spot" which lets them take their Aguri to the limit, but the Aguris lack of developement means their packages work at a few tracks - and only there. At Canada, Davidson was also very fast until the rodent-incident.


EDIT: Read a bit more... Apparently, Taku and Vettel couldn't get another lap in because they were called to the weighbridge. Is it just me, or was Taku also called in at Hungary? How do they determine who goes (seems like mostly back/mid-fielders, the ones who need those 15 minutes most :indiff:), and where can I check up on that? I only know Taku's been called because of a quote by the manager, and that Vettel was called because of the TV commentators - yet usually, they don't mention this stuff...
 
I presume that hamilton and massa are in the 1.26s otherwise their has been a big mistake, look at the qualy list!!
Didn't i tell ye ferrari would be better last wednesday!
 
No, they have definitely run the exact times written in my post. This is taken from Formula1.com, which is the official site, and as precise as it gets. I think you may have forgotten one thing - qualifying in Q3 is with racing fuel-loads, not the ultra-light hotlaps of Q2. And there, Alonso was fastest. Ferrari isn't that much faster, just a shade.
 
Metar
I'll repeat. Ralf and Vettel were stuck near the end of the Q1-last-runners line. Ralf also made a small setup-mistake, dialing in a bit more front downforce - which came at the expense of stability. As a result, he had a very oversteering car - cold tyres, and not enough rear downforce to compensate and stabilize the rear. Plus, he was stuck behind traffic.
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He did well for the 3rd best driver in the world 👍 Ralfs just rubbish, pure and simple. Not his first time to fail to get through Q1 this season, is it?

Davidson was impressive, very good effort.

I like this track - Turn 8 = God - I think Lewis could win this one, Massa seems to have fired hot and cold of late.
 
Is it just me, or Ferrari changed the colour on their car? From many TV angles, it looks like it's now a metallic red instead of the orange-ish red they've been running all season.
 
MustangSVT
Is it just me, or Ferrari changed the colour on their car? From many TV angles, it looks like it's now a metallic red instead of the orange-ish red they've been running all season.
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No I am pretty sure it is the deep red they have run all season, it is a metallic scarlet colour, they have used it all season. I could be wrong though.
 
No, they introduced the metallic red paint scheme at the Monaco Grand Prix and have been running it since.

Metar
EDIT: Read a bit more... Apparently, Taku and Vettel couldn't get another lap in because they were called to the weighbridge. Is it just me, or was Taku also called in at Hungary? How do they determine who goes (seems like mostly back/mid-fielders, the ones who need those 15 minutes most ), and where can I check up on that? I only know Taku's been called because of a quote by the manager, and that Vettel was called because of the TV commentators - yet usually, they don't mention this stuff...
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You can find that stuff in the stewards’ documents which are available on the FIA website.
 
I think Kubica might pull off a suprising top3 finish.
But he'll need the help of at least one of the top4 racers..
 
Blake
You can find that stuff in the stewards’ documents which are available on the FIA website.
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Thanks for the link, very useful.

But a question. The fuel-loads in the first page - are those the fuel-loads they qualified with in Q3, or is that just the amount taken out of the car for changing? If it's the actual loads, that makes Massa's pole even more impressive.
 
Metar
Thanks for the link, very useful.

But a question. The fuel-loads in the first page - are those the fuel-loads they qualified with in Q3, or is that just the amount taken out of the car for changing? If it's the actual loads, that makes Massa's pole even more impressive.
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That is just the fuel they will get back for the laps they ran in Q3.

It would be very unlikely that 8 drivers would have the same amount of fuel.

edit: I just noticed that the date at the top of the pages says April 01.
 
Ah, so that just the fuel they burned during Q3? Ok then, because it really didn't make any sense.

So according to this, it's Massa and Trulli who burned the most fuel, rather than driving with the most.
 
Lauda had a continuous gag about that one. "He said he gained 0.6 seconds for the team. I guess those evaporated when he couldn't decide whether to shave this morning or not." Later on: "Hey, and here comes Fernando Alonso - and he's shaved!"
 
Congrats to Massa :cheers:


Barrichello's reply on the pitradio was hilarious though :lol:

"Rubens, Jenson is around 2 seconds faster then you..."
Rubens: "Yeah rrrright!"


:lol:!
 
Well is it me or it was a very boring race? I mean i fell asleep halfway watching it and then suddenly i was awake when the commentator said "Lewis Hamilton is off! He's suffered a puncture!" :lol: then i was like "what the.... :odd:"

But yeah, it was a good race (but unfortunately i hate Ferrari's guts :grumpy:) a good drive from Massa (as it looks like it is his lucky track i would say) and to keep Kimi at bay. I feel really bad for Hamilton to finish 5th after all the trouble he went through qualifying to get 2nd on the grid. And Honda also did well from starting last but otherwise for Toyota as their weekend was just a mess :crazy:

Well i wish this whole week just past, as i just want to forget about this whole week.....
 
What a mind numbing race. I only remember one decent overtaking manouvere and that was Trulli down the inside on turn 1.
 
Great start for Ferrari & BMW, especially Heidfeld, who unlike Kubica started the race with more fuel then his teammate, hard tires and on the dirty side of the track, like the McLarens, and yet still managed to pass Alonso.

Coulthard also had a great start moving from 13th to 9th, and Barrichelo as well moving all the way from the back to 16th... but he's in a Honda... so no surprise that he wasn't able to advance his position throughout the race... except of course by default when Webber ended his day early on lap 10 with a mechanical failure.

While it appeared that Alonso was being held up behind the BMW's, he never even made any attempt to pass He got in front of them only from the pits, and then even with a clear track, he never made any ground on Hamilton and was still losing ground to both the Ferraris - so not a great day for Alonso unless he took joy out of Hamilton's misfortune..

Very bad luck for Hamilton. With just 16 laps to the finish, despite losing ground to the Ferraris, he till had yet another podium finish locked up before losing his right-front tire to a puncture which also caused some minor damage to his front wing. Frankly, I'm very impressed with how he managed to limp back to the pits without ripping his car apart.

Also impressive was Hamilton's ability to finish in 5th considering the damage to the right-front endplate on the front wing, which I guess his team decided to gamble and not take the extra time needed to replace it during his final stop.

I'm not sure what caused Kubica to struggle after his first stop, but he must be dissapointed with his finish considering his start.

Masa had a nearly flawless race weekend, but just like last race, Kimi played the spoil sport by beating Masa's fastest lap on the second to last lap of the race (on worn down hard tires no less) preventing Masa from getting the trifecta of Pole, Lap, & Race.

Overall an excellent race on a very challenging course.
 
Digital-Nitrate
Very bad luck for Hamilton. With just 16 laps to the finish, despite losing ground to the Ferraris, he till had yet another podium finish locked up before losing his right-front tire to a puncture which also caused some minor damage to his front wing. Frankly, I'm very impressed with how he managed to limp back to the pits without ripping his car apart.
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The tyre wasn't that bad looking, it could've been worse if the tyre would blow at 300 km/h so nothing really impressive by getting it into the pits really...It's not a surprise either he finished 5th since both Ferrari's and Hamilton were so much quicker then the whole pack during the race, he had enough gap to be sure of a top-8 finish 👍
 
Bram Turismo
The tyre wasn't that bad looking, it could've been worse if the tyre would blow at 300 km/h so nothing really impressive by getting it into the pits really...It's not a surprise either he finished 5th since both Ferrari's and Hamilton were so much quicker then the whole pack during the race, he had enough gap to be sure of a top-8 finish 👍
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??? How much worse did it have to look? :lol:

Seriously though, a bare rim would be much safer to limp back to the pits on than one with a long tail slapping the suspension and body.

Apparently the commentators felt quite differently then you, and I would continue to say that it would be hard to disagree with them when you look at the effect of the puncture and the crippling damage that the flailing tread could have easily caused... and yes, it was a mighty impressive feat of Hamilton to stay in 5th position considering the significant damage to the right-front endplate on his front wing.
 
Digital-Nitrate
??? How much worse did it have to look? :lol:

Seriously though, a bare rim would be much safer to limp back to the pits on than one with a long tail slapping the suspension and body.
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A bare rim would vibrate like mad, it'd shake the suspension to bits.
 
Sureshot
A bare rim would vibrate like mad, it'd shake the suspension to bits.
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As would a rim with nothing but a long loose flapping piece of tread... only the flailing thread can cause even more damage... and did, to the front wing. Either case, darn good driving and luck to get it safely back to the pits and to hold 5th with the damage to the front wing... or are you disagreeing with that?



BTW: The coverage never showed exactly why Hamilton's tire punctured. Has anyone read any commentary to explain the cause of the blowout?
 
Miscalculation of tyre usuage? Could be, hard tyres also have a life...I don't know, but I do think that if he'd had a tyre blow-out at high speeds, damage would've been greater, especially if it happened to a rear tyre, he would spin uncontrollable, and even might crash into the barriers, luckely the circuit has a lot of tarmac around the corners though 👍

On the circuit, I think the very long left, which seems to be a 3 left corner combo incredibly beautiful which such enormous speeds, I can already imagine the thrill wit a 2-seater :eek:
 
Bram Turismo
Barrichello's reply on the pitradio was hilarious though :lol:

"Rubens, Jenson is around 2 seconds faster then you..."
Rubens: "Yeah rrrright!"


:lol:!
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Actually it was:

Honda crew: "Rubens, Jenson is saying he is two seconds a lap quicker than you."
Rubens: "Don't make me laugh"

I was laughing out loud :)

Also about Hamilton's tire, did anyone else notice that it was the same tire that failed in Germany? Might not have anything to do with it since that failure was supposedly because of a faulty wheelgun, but still :nervous:.
 
Digital-Nitrate
As would a rim with nothing but a long loose flapping piece of tread... only the flailing thread can cause even more damage... and did, to the front wing. Either case, darn good driving and luck to get it safely back to the pits and to hold 5th with the damage to the front wing... or are you disagreeing with that?
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Nope.
 
Digital-Nitrate
Overall an excellent race on a very challenging course.
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Can you just clarify again which parts made that race "excellent". So far I'm getting : -
Coulthard and Barrichello have a good start...
Hamilton shredding his tyre, but still finsihing 5th without much pressure on him.
Massa having a consistant weekend.
 
I guess unlike some, I don't need to see a lot of crashes, unpredictable weather conditions, safety car appearances, random misfortune, etc to consider a race to be excellent. In fact, for me, the less of that, the more excellent a race is. Possibly not as "entertaining", but for me, seeing drivers performing on a challenging course at the top of their ability with the equipment they have available to them without seeing too much random misfortune is enough for me to consider it an excellent race. 👍

Besides... that's what NASCAR is for... plenty of easy courses, never ending passing, multi car pile ups, race stoppages, safty cars, lucky dogs, and plenty of random misfortune. :indiff:
 

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