2008 Best Car Series: (Vote Japan!)

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投票日本!(Vote Japan!)


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It's Brad... He HAS to nominate the Corvette or he will be banned from GTP for not being "That Corvette Guy" Every GTP needs one...
 
I don't want the GT-R to win because I think there are far better cars from Japan that are more meaningful then some halo vehicle. The S2000, while I didn't vote for it, is a very good example of a sports car that has very good performance and a resonable price.
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Well yeah, i didn't want the GT-R to win either or at least have the GT-R in a close call competition like in the UK thread. As I said earlier, it doesn't matter. Well lets just hope we get more votes to spice thing sup...... :)
 
I voted for the Honda Fit/Jazz because I think it looks pretty good and every time I see one I just feel happy. I do like the other cars in there alot but the Fit is just better on its own level.
 
If anything, it is you who is attempting a fanboy stir-up here.

It was my intention to not have this be yet another "lets compare the Corvette to the GT-R" thread. If anything, the high number of votes for the GT-R symbolize how popular the car is, and generally speaking, show that it will have a very good chance of doing well in the final competition. I meant absolutely nothing other than to share my surprise with how far the car had jumped out ahead of everyone else. Sorry if that caused a stir.
I understand your point. But about stirring something up, it was definitely not me who began talking about fanboys in this thread.

Why I brought it up is your wording according to which the huge lead of the GT-R is obviously due to a "fanboy landslide" and not the fact that it might just be the best car in the poll by a big margin. If the Corvette wins the American class it's because it's the best all round package in the poll and very few people are likely to doubt it. If the M3 wins the German class it's the same thing. Then if the GT-R wins the Japanese class, it's because the fanboys voted for it. And this is what irks me off, once again. It's also what I'd like to know the answer for, why is it like that?
 
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This is a bit of a survey post. Above I have quotes from every single post YSSMAN has made in this thread, and in every one of them he mentions the GT-R. Sometimes the people voting for it are said to be fanboys, and he very obviously wants to make it clear that he doesn't want it to win. Well, each to their own. Apparently one car shouldn't get significantly more votes than the others in his opinion.

Then he goes and nominates the Corvette for the best American car. Like it isn't going to walk the poll there.

Seriously, somebody tell me why the GT-R supporters are always the ones who are called fanboys and are always on the "wrong side" by default while the Corvette supporters are called car enthusiasts and are always on the "right side" by default. There must be some deeper logic to it that I simply don't get.

I'll take one more example. I was going to test this in the American thread when the voting begins but I can as well do it here. When someone says "the GT-R sucks because it's so heavy" there's a dozen people nodding and agreeing, it's a widely accepted fact. I agree partially, the car is too heavy but it certainly doesn't suck because of it as we've seen. Then when someone says "the Corvette sucks because it can't put the power down" there's a huge uproar, the person is shouted to the corner and the dozen people shove it down the sayer's throat that the Corvette handles like a true sports car should. Again I agree partially, it has trouble putting the power down but it certainly doesn't suck because of it as we've seen.

If there's anyone interested enough in replying to this, all I ask is to put the possible nationality bias to the side for a while and keep it civil. I don't want another flame war, just one good answer why the situation is as it is. If you're going to take the "usual" Corvette vs. GT-R style, please don't press the "Submit Reply" button. 👍

You know, I said the GT-R was too heavy and got completely shot down by Famine. When someone says the Corvette can't put the power down as well as other cars, all the Corvette guys nod and agree it's our biggest downfall.
I don't think the Corvette will win the US thread, I would not be surprised if the Camaro beats the Corvette......
 
I understand your point. But about stirring something up, it was definitely not me who began talking about fanboys in this thread.

Why I brought it up is your wording according to which the huge lead of the GT-R is obviously due to a "fanboy landslide" and not the fact that it might just be the best car in the poll by a big margin. If the Corvette wins the American class it's because it's the best all round package in the poll and very few people are likely to doubt it. If the M3 wins the German class it's the same thing. Then if the GT-R wins the Japanese class, it's because the fanboys voted for it. And this is what irks me off, once again. It's also what I'd like to know the answer for, why is it like that?

You referred in a previous post to "halo cars". All of the cars you mention as being candidates for winning a national poll are halo cars. These polls are all just theorising anyway. I have not driven any of the exact models in any of the polls conducted so far. Consequently, my opinion is ungrounded. If there's one thing that has less value than my opinion, it's my ungrounded opinion.

When viewing these threads, one needs to suspend normal reasoning: none of the opinions in here are worth a damn, and therefore are not worth getting het up about. But it's interesting to see what those opinions are anyway.

For the record, I'll be voting for the GT-R, because I'd like to have a go in one, and the STi, because I had a previous generation a long long time ago. The other cars don't interest me particularly.
 
When viewing these threads, one needs to suspend normal reasoning: none of the opinions in here are worth a damn, and therefore are not worth getting het up about. But it's interesting to see what those opinions are anyway.

I suppose on that basis the title "Favourite Car" would have been more accurate than "Best Car", given that choosing a best car is largely irrelevant without the unrealistic option of everyone driving the cars.
 
I remember that when I did the engines, that I had to change it to "Favorite" engines.
 
I suppose on that basis the title "Favourite Car" would have been more accurate than "Best Car", given that choosing a best car is largely irrelevant without the unrealistic option of everyone driving the cars.

It would be more accurate, yes. But it would just be easiest to assume that in the minds of most people voting in polls like this, "favourite = best".
 
True, but methinks some people here find those two words harder to separate than others...
 
indeed. let's all try to behave like big boys.. no name calling, no blaming about being biased in the voting threads. it leaves bad taste on everyones mouth.
 
Then if the GT-R wins the Japanese class, it's because the fanboys voted for it. And this is what irks me off, once again. It's also what I'd like to know the answer for, why is it like that?
Because many have strong opinions against the GT-R, and the resultant GT-R thread has turned everyone into a complete cynic? Strictly speaking, YSSMAN was only putting into words what many people no doubt thought of, and he wasn't one of the people who did insult the GT-R in this thread.
 
If the GT-R gets the most votes, it gets the most votes. Whether you guys like it or not, it's moved the game forward for Japanese cars... in terms of sophistication, power and ability. It's not the car's fault if lt looks like it fell off the ugly bus.

And there's the rub... would people hate the GT-R so much if it looked like... say... an Evo or an S2000?

What's strange is the S2000 getting so many votes. Nothing new on that front, no innovation, nothing.

I would say the Honda Fit or the Mazdaspeed3 do more to advance the state of Japanese cars than the current S2000... (the Fit was my other vote)... Sad to see the Fit lagging so far behind in the polls.
 
The cars don't have to move things on necessarily - fair enough the GT-R has done that, but then so does every GT-R. The S2000 did at it's launch, and it remains a good car today which is why it's popular in the votes. And to say it doesn't innovate is a bit harsh considering its NA 120bhp/litre engine...
 
I'm highly surprised the new Evo X doesn't have more support. It will scare the wits off a performance Porsche around a twisty track, costs atleast a 1/3 less and has excellent economy for such a high-strung performance vehicle, and I am only mentioning the last-gen Evo. This time it is even better. It is, simply put, brilliant.

Still, GTR or Evo, GTR or Evo, GTR or Evo...
 
The new Evo is slower than the last generation, I've seen numerous tests proving so, but it is more driver friendly I hear.
 
I'm highly surprised the new Evo X doesn't have more support. It will scare the wits off a performance Porsche around a twisty track, costs atleast a 1/3 less and has excellent economy for such a high-strung performance vehicle, and I am only mentioning the last-gen Evo. This time it is even better. It is, simply put, brilliant.

Still, GTR or Evo, GTR or Evo, GTR or Evo...

You know the Evo X weighs so much that it's not funny, right?

3500-3600lbs and it is a COMPACT. I don't care if it has AWD, there's NOTHING that should make it weigh as much as it does! The much larger GT-R only weighs 300lbs more!

Somebody tell me where the X is hiding the weight... Please.
 
What's strange is the S2000 getting so many votes. Nothing new on that front, no innovation, nothing.

That's a good point as well. I voted for it simply because I still use it as a yardstick when it comes to small roadsters, something that has managed to stand the test of time very, very well. I'd have thought the Evolution would have done better as well, but, this is what democracy is for, right?
 
I almost wish I would have gone with the S2000 now, but the Suzuki Swift has so many good things said about it I couldn't ignore it.

Also it still astounds me that some members can't figure out what vote for two means, even after Famine called out the illiterate once before.
 
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