2008 ING Magyar Nagydíj

[MustangSVT]

Uh, they haven't won it since 2004.

I believe he said near the top.

Ironic though that he said that considering that Alonso I think won it in 2003, Raikkonen won it in 2005, Button won it in 2006 (schumacher DNFd I believe), Hamilton won it last year.

 

[PeterJB]

I believe he said near the top.

Ironic though that he said that considering that Alonso I think won it in 2003, Raikkonen won it in 2005, Button won it in 2006 (schumacher DNFd I believe), Hamilton won it last year.

It was Alonso that DNF. Schumacher came 8th.

 

[Brett]

Uh, they haven't won it since 2004.

I believe he said near the top.

Ironic though that he said that considering that Alonso I think won it in 2003, Raikkonen won it in 2005, Button won it in 2006 (schumacher DNFd I believe), Hamilton won it last year.

That is exactly correct. 👍 I said that Ferrari have always been near the top of the list in this race, but made no mention of when they won it last. The race winners have been all over the place.

Race Winners:

• 2003 - Fernando Alonso
• 2004 - Michael Schumacher
• 2005 - Kimi Räikkönen
• 2006 - Jenson Button
• 2007 - Lewis Hamilton

Other than 2003 and 2006, one Ferrari either won the race, 2004, or one finished second, 2005 and 2007. 2006 was a year of rain and that usually scrambles the results, which is exactly what happened. I cannot really remember exactly what happened in 2003, other than Alonso getting his first win, but it was not a good weekend for Ferrari. Outside of 2003 and the rain scrambled race of 2006, Ferrari have done pretty well at Hungary. It has not been their best track, but they have had some good results there.

I just looked over the results again and noticed McLaren have done a pretty good job at Hungary also. 2003 saw Kimi take second. 2004 was a bad year, similar to 2003 Ferrari. 2005 Kimi won. In the rain race of 2006, Pedro de la Rosa took second. Finally, last year, McLaren went first and fourth.

Looking back on both Ferrari's and McLaren's results and seeing both have done pretty well, it should make for a good race. Though, recent history, both recent races and past years, favors McLaren.

 

[mkay]

Hakkinen will win it again. Oh ****, he's retired.. Oops.

Hamilton will win it, then.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Hakkinen will win it again. Oh ****, he's retired.. Oops.

Hamilton will win it, then.

I don't know about that ... five different winners in as many years leads me to think otherwise.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

I don't know about that ... five different winners in as many years leads me to think otherwise.

Piquet FTW! 💡

 

[Blake]

I cannot really remember exactly what happened in 2003, other than Alonso getting his first win, but it was not a good weekend for Ferrari.

The Bridgestone tyres weren’t suited to the track. Alonso destroyed everyone and the Michelin teams beat Ferrari pretty soundly.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Piquet FTW! 💡

Button first.

 

[Roo]

The Bridgestone tyres weren’t suited to the track. Alonso destroyed everyone and the Michelin teams beat Ferrari pretty soundly.

That, and Mark Webber qualified the Jaguar second, and then held everyone else up as Alonso romped away at something like a second a lap.

 

[Metar]

Friday FP1:

Pos	Driver  		Team 			Time/Retired  	Gap  	Laps
1	Felipe Massa 		Ferrari 		1:20.981 		19
2	Kimi Räikkönen 		Ferrari 		1:21.345 	0.364 	21
3	Heikki Kovalainen 	McLaren-Mercedes 	1:21.410 	0.429 	17
4	Lewis Hamilton 		McLaren-Mercedes 	1:21.535 	0.554 	18
5	Fernando Alonso 	Renault 		1:21.802 	0.821 	18
6	Timo Glock 		Toyota 			1:21.931 	0.950 	22
7	Robert Kubica 		BMW Sauber 		1:22.267 	1.286 	18
8 	Nelsinho Piquet 	Renault 		1:22.326 	1.345 	19
9 	Nick Heidfeld 		BMW Sauber 		1:22.370 	1.389 	22
10 	Jarno Trulli 		Toyota 			1:22.457 	1.476 	25
11 	Mark Webber 		Red Bull-Renault 	1:22.654 	1.673 	23
12 	David Coulthard 	Red Bull-Renault 	1:22.700 	1.719 	16
13 	Sebastien Bourdais 	STR-Ferrari 		1:22.900 	1.919 	26
14 	Jenson Button 		Honda 			1:22.917 	1.936 	27
15 	Rubens Barrichello 	Honda 			1:23.093 	2.112 	26
16 	Nico Rosberg 		Williams-Toyota 	1:23.147 	2.166 	21
17 	Kazuki Nakajima 	Williams-Toyota 	1:23.274 	2.293 	22
18 	Adrian Sutil 		Force India-Ferrari 	1:23.353 	2.372 	25
19 	Giancarlo Fisichella 	Force India-Ferrari 	1:23.459 	2.478 	28
20 	Sebastian Vettel 	STR-Ferrari 		1:23.923 	2.942 	4

McLaren didn't run their new nose, while Ferrari ran the sharkfin. Everyone ran very slow times on the green track - Alonso's pole last season was two seconds faster..

 

[PeterJB]

Damn, Vettel! What happened?!

 

[livemusic]

The Renaults were pretty good in the second free practice, Hamilton did the fastest lap.

 

[Metar]

FP2 Results:

Pos	Driver  		Team 			Time/Retired  	Gap  	Laps
1	Lewis Hamilton 		McLaren-Mercedes 	1:20.554 		35
2	Nelsinho Piquet 	Renault 		1:20.748 	0.194 	38
3	Heikki Kovalainen 	McLaren-Mercedes 	1:20.760 	0.206 	33
4 	Fernando Alonso 	Renault 		1:20.928 	0.374 	35
5 	Kimi Räikkönen 		Ferrari 		1:21.009 	0.455 	36
6 	Felipe Massa 		Ferrari 		1:21.010 	0.456 	36
7 	Nick Heidfeld 		BMW Sauber 		1:21.138 	0.584 	46
8 	Robert Kubica 		BMW Sauber 		1:21.363 	0.809 	36
9 	Jarno Trulli 		Toyota 			1:21.505 	0.951 	42
10 	Nico Rosberg 		Williams-Toyota 	1:21.581 	1.027 	34
11 	Timo Glock 		Toyota 			1:21.662 	1.108 	39
12 	Mark Webber 		Red Bull-Renault 	1:21.733 	1.179 	43
13 	David Coulthard 	Red Bull-Renault 	1:21.837 	1.283 	34
14 	Kazuki Nakajima 	Williams-Toyota 	1:21.902 	1.348 	33
15 	Sebastien Bourdais 	STR-Ferrari 		1:21.955 	1.401 	41
16 	Jenson Button 		Honda 			1:22.150 	1.596 	41
17 	Giancarlo Fisichella 	Force India-Ferrari 	1:22.197 	1.643 	36
18 	Adrian Sutil 		Force India-Ferrari 	1:22.358 	1.804 	37
19 	Rubens Barrichello 	Honda 			1:22.448 	1.894 	33
20 	Sebastian Vettel 	STR-Ferrari 		1:22.945 	2.391 	5

Vettel struggling badly, McLaren up the ante, Renault going strong...

 

[Muzaffar]

OMFG, what happened to Vettel? Either he really is struggling on the circuit or has a problem with his car (which is less likely judging by Bordais' pace) As for the top 2, its really close between them in FP1, but I'm amazed that Renault clawed back some time in FP2. Yeah, lets hope Renault gets a good result when the race comes...... 👍

 

[Metar]

Nothing prevents either side from running low or heavy in the sessions - the Renault are likely lighter, the McLarens heavier in the first session.. As for the top-2, it's just as close in both sessions - half a second difference - but reversed. Check out the Kimi-Felipe gap! 0.001s!

 

[Cap'n Jack]

OMFG, what happened to Vettel? Either he really is struggling on the circuit or has a problem with his car (which is less likely judging by Bordais' pace) As for the top 2, its really close between them in FP1, but I'm amazed that Renault clawed back some time in FP2. Yeah, lets hope Renault gets a good result when the race comes...... 👍

During FP1 his engine blew and then FP2 he faced a technical problem, unfortunately.

 

[peterjford]

During FP1 his engine blew and then FP2 he faced a technical problem, unfortunately.

How do the rules as far as getting a penalty for an engine change (before running 2 races) work if you blow an engine in practice?

 

[livemusic]

The same?

 

[Metar]

There's no penalty for Friday engines - hence why they sometimes run old (read: after two races) engines. That's why Alonso's engines blew in the last two Fridays...

 

[Brett]

The Bridgestone tyres weren’t suited to the track. Alonso destroyed everyone and the Michelin teams beat Ferrari pretty soundly.

And there is the answer! 👍 Thanks!

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Wow, Piquet's podium in Germany seems to have boosted his confidence.

There's no penalty for Friday engines - hence why they sometimes run old (read: after two races) engines. That's why Alonso's engines blew in the last two Fridays...

I was under the impression that if your engine blew at any stage during the weekend - even if it was your first - you could change it without a penalty because otherwise you're stranded. It's changing your engine to avoid having it blow up that will net you a ten-spot demoionon the grid.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

I was under the impression that if your engine blew at any stage during the weekend - even if it was your first - you could change it without a penalty because otherwise you're stranded. It's changing your engine to avoid having it blow up that will net you a ten-spot demotion the grid.

Nope, if somebody's engine blows up in qualifying they will get a penalty unless it's their first engine change. I'm sure somebody has a link to the rule.

edit:

http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_and_regulations/sporting_regulations/6844/

Engine changes
As in 2007, drivers must use the same engine for two consecutive events, an event comprising final practice, qualifying and the race. If that engine fails in final practice or qualifying and has to be changed ahead of the race, the driver will be given a grid penalty - 10 places if the change was made before qualifying, or the back of the grid if it was made following qualifying.

However, in an amendment for 2008, each driver is allowed one ‘free’ change per season, unless that change takes place at the final round. In other words, he will not incur a penalty for his first engine failure of the year, as long it is not at the last event.

 

[daan]

DC is using the same engine for the 3rd consecutive race this weekend.

Red Bull’s David Coulthard will use the same Renault V8 engine for a third successive race at this weekend's Hungarian Grand Prix. The unit was fitted to Coulthard’s RB4 at both the British and German events.

Although the regulations stipulate that drivers must use the same engine over two consecutive races, Red Bull’s engine suppliers, Renault, have decided to extend the engine’s use to a third Grand Prix to help the team’s championship chances over the coming races.

“This is the first time we have taken this decision,” explained Fabrice Lom, who is responsible for the technical coordination of Renault's engines at Red Bull. “His V8 has not done too much running and we are not especially worried about its reliability. Plus, having our two drivers out of synch on the engine cycle means that we won't be putting all our eggs in the same basket.

"This decision will also help us in the second half of the season in terms of the logistical challenge. And finally, it means that David will not have to use the same engine in Spa and Monza, which are two of the toughest challenges on the calendar.”

Coulthard’s team mate Mark Webber, who retired from the Hockenheim race with an oil leak, will receive a new V8 for the Hungarian event.

It's not done much running in the last 2 races, so it's practically still brand new...

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Nope, if somebody's engine blows up in qualifying they will get a penalty unless it's their first engine change. I'm sure somebody has a link to the rule.

edit:

http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_and_regulations/sporting_regulations/6844/

Well, that sucks. If a driver's engine genuinely blows up, he still gets penalised for it? What else is he supposed to do, show up on race day without and engine? He doesn't really have a choice: he can either not compete (which the FIA won't like) or effectively put himself out of the running by starting down the back.

I seem to recall that when Button's engine blew up at the final corner of Albert Park that time, he was instructed to pull over before the Start/Finish Line so that the engine would not be considered as having completed the race and thus not earning himself a penalty when they changed the engine.

 

[Blake]

Well, that sucks. If a driver's engine genuinely blows up, he still gets penalised for it? What else is he supposed to do, show up on race day without and engine? He doesn't really have a choice: he can either not compete (which the FIA won't like) or effectively put himself out of the running by starting down the back.

Uh, that’s why it’s called a penalty…

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Uh, that’s why it’s called a penalty…

But he suffers a penalty either way. If his engine blows on his final run in Q3, he's screwed: he can either not race, or switch the engine and begin anywhere from 11th to 20th depending on where he was sitting. The rule is supposed to discourage teams from switching engines that they know might be about to pack it in. It shouldn't penalise them just because something broke that they had been unaware of up until that point (of course, they'd have to prove that they knew nothing about it).

 

[TheMoose]

But he suffers a penalty either way. If his engine blows on his final run in Q3, he's screwed: he can either not race, or switch the engine and begin anywhere from 11th to 20th depending on where he was sitting. The rule is supposed to discourage teams from switching engines that they know might be about to pack it in. It shouldn't penalise them just because something broke that they had been unaware of up until that point (of course, they'd have to prove that they knew nothing about it).

Have you ever seen F1 racing?
You give these guys an inch & they will take a mile.
If you let them replace an engine blown in qualifying with no penalty then they will make a qualifying engine with sick power that has rods with explosive charges in them that explode as soon as they finish with Q3.
They get a great starting spot & a new engine to boot!!
And I'm just half kidding!

 

[Blake]

If his engine blows on his final run in Q3, he's screwed

If his engine blows at any time on Saturday or Sunday he’s screwed. That’s the point of the rule, to cut costs by forcing teams to use the same engine for longer. If they can’t make an engine that can last long enough they get the penalty because they have broken a rule by changing the engine. Easy.

 

[CAMikaze]

McLaren didn't run their new nose, while Ferrari ran the sharkfin.

Just when you thought it was safe to go out onto the racetrack.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Tomorrow's grid:

Hamilton - Kovalainen
Massa - Kubica
Glock - Raikkonen
Alonso - Webber
Trulli - Piquet
Vettel - Button
Coultard - Bourdais
Rosberg - Heidfeld
Nakajima - Barrichello
Fisichella - Sutil​

Heidfeld the big surprise, all the way down in sixteenth.