2009 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix

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1st Abu Dhabi Grand Prix

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The first Abu Dhabi Grand Prix, held on a flat island called Yas Marina, and like Jacarepagua and Bahrain they rose from the depths of nearly-nothing-ness to become regular fixtures on the F1 circuit.

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Who will make history? Who thinks the day-night thing will look cool? Who will enjoy the spoils of victory? Who will bake brownies? Who else can remember an F1 race held in November (not I)?
 
Who will make history?
Historians.

Who thinks the day-night thing will look cool?
The Book of Genesis makes a pretty big point of it.

Who will enjoy the spoils of victory?
The spoiled victor.

Who will bake brownies?
A baker

Who else can remember an F1 race held in November (not I)?
Somebody other than you. Any more questions?

On a more serious note, I'm very interested to see how Button does now that the title is his. I'm also very interested to see how Jonathan Legard does for the same reasons. I'm not hoepful.
 
Just yesterday I watched a kind-of-documentary about the construction of the circuit. Tilke made a lot of comments. He test drove it in a Nissan GT-R after completion and found the off-cambered corners to be even more challenging than he expected. He hopes drivers find the circuit hard to drive without making mistakes and that fans will enjoy the show.
Personally I don't expect this circuit to be more or less challenging than other circuits that have appeared on the calendar over the recent years (not taking heat or lighting into account). And I still don't like the last section ;).
A seating capacity of 50.000 isn't impressive but at least all seats are sold. If things go like it went with the Chinese or Bahrain GP they're not gonna need more in the years to come.
 
A day early? Oh dear... :dopey:

And the obligatory youtube on-board video


The pit exit should be amusing...
 
The pit exit should be amusing...
I'm still at a loss to explain why so many people are convinced it's going to cause problems. The drivers are not idiots, and there are precautions in place: the lane is wide enough to fit two cars through, and there is a trap door set into one of the walls to allow marshalls instant access to a stricken car if the need arises.

If you want a dangerous pit exit, look at Monaco: it's a low-speed blind left-right to get back out onto the circuit, and anyone attempting a pass into Ste. Devote will be on-track for a collision if someone emerges. Yet when was the last time two cars came together when one was still in the pit exit, much less the last time it happened at Monaco?

The pit exit will be fine; everyone who thinks it's going to be a problem is going to look very silly if there isn't one in the race. Personally, I think they're just looking for reasons to hate it.
 
I'm still at a loss to explain why so many people are convinced it's going to cause problems. The drivers are not idiots, and there are precautions in place: the lane is wide enough to fit two cars through, and there is a trap door set into one of the walls to allow marshalls instant access to a stricken car if the need arises.

If you want a dangerous pit exit, look at Monaco: it's a low-speed blind left-right to get back out onto the circuit, and anyone attempting a pass into Ste. Devote will be on-track for a collision if someone emerges. Yet when was the last time two cars came together when one was still in the pit exit, much less the last time it happened at Monaco?

The pit exit will be fine; everyone who thinks it's going to be a problem is going to look very silly if there isn't one in the race. Personally, I think they're just looking for reasons to hate it.

Fisichella practicing a start at the pit exit in Brazil ring any bells?

Anthony Davidson at the Brazilian Grand Prix predicted that it will happen in Abu Dhabi. It's not a question of the drivers being idiots. They push the limits everywhere. That's why things like that happen.
 
I'm still at a loss to explain why so many people are convinced it's going to cause problems.
It's a dusty tunnel, with restricted access, and the cars can go through at unrestricted speed. All it takes is for 2 cars to be really close going into it. Limiter off, race mode on. Only 1 may come back out...

the lane is wide enough to fit two cars through, and there is a trap door set into one of the walls to allow marshalls instant access to a stricken car if the need arises.
But what if that car is sideyways with a wheel missing? How can you get a crane in there, and still allow following cars through?
 
Lets hope they have some good camera angles in the pit lane, it should be good footage, no matter what happens.

I think Red Bull will finish the season off, on a high.
Hopefully MW can reel off another fastest lap and take the DHL award, for most fastest laps for the season.
I think Red Bull deserve something for their efforts this season.
 
It takes little to go wrong on that pit exit. First of all, it's a new track. That means that it'll be covered in dust for sure. Add to that it goes downhill, a driver that overestimates his cold tyres easily can make a mistake there. I don't like the new pit exit, nor am I thrilled when I look at the lay-out of the track. But it'll be interesting to see who'll take the first win. Hoping for a Barrichello win, or Button to end this season in style.
 
The one thing that makes that pit lane worse is the thought that some idiot actually designed it that way... why not put it on the outside of Turn 21? Giving them much more extra space to play with the exit location through turns two and three?

Is this one of those "look at me, ma!" type designs, where they did it just for the sake of doing it?

The rest of the circuit, though... looks amazing... that nice, long back straight... the way the circuit goes from high speed sections straight down to hairpins... it'll be a good track for overtakes, that's for sure.
 
It takes little to go wrong on that pit exit. First of all, it's a new track. That means that it'll be covered in dust for sure.
It's in the middle of a desert. Off-line will be covered in dust/sand all the time.
 
It should be an interesting race all around. The day-night concept should be interesting to see how the drivers cope with the transition and the pit lane is also going to be an interesting factor seeing as how it is unlimited. I think pit entrance looks decidedly dodgy as well. Only takes a locked brake in there and you are straight across the last turn and pissibly into the wall.

Prediction, it's a fast speed circuit with a lot of tight corners, a bit like Brazil or Nurburgring in some respects so I am going to go for who I think had been the better team on these sort of circuits, that being Red Bull and let's go with Webbo but as an outsider, maybe Sutil or even Robert Kubica snding BMW-Sauber out on a high
 
The pit exit looks just crazy to me.
Wouldn't surprise me if something was to happen there... we'll see.


Am I the only one who thinks Tilke tracks always look stunning, but are useless in terms of overtaking despite being designed for it? :indiff:
 
Those turns look pretty harsh and slow. I don't see any multiple esses.
 
It should be an interesting race and nice way to end an interesting season, the day night timing sounds good
 
It's a dusty tunnel, with restricted access, and the cars can go through at unrestricted speed. All it takes is for 2 cars to be really close going into it. Limiter off, race mode on. Only 1 may come back out...


But what if that car is sideyways with a wheel missing? How can you get a crane in there, and still allow following cars through?
Like I said: trap door. And I wouldn't be surprised if they could remove a section of pit wall and drop the cars out onto the main straight with yellows waving for oncoming cars in the worst-case scenario. And David Coulthard agres with me:
Drivers must 'respect' Abu Dhabi track
By Jonathan Noble - Monday, October 26th 2009, 12:56 GMT

Formula 1 drivers will need to treat the new Abu Dhabi track with the same respect that circuits like Spa-Francorchamps and Suzuka have, even though it does not have the same kind of classic high-speed challenges.

That is the view of former grand prix drivers David Coulthard and Martin Brundle, who think that the track has hidden charms that do not come to light from simply looking at pictures or a circuit map.

In particular, both men feel that the decision to replace now traditional long run-off areas with widespread use of Tecpro barriers has changed the feel of the track - and means mistakes will be heavily punished.

When asked by AUTOSPORT for his feeling on the track following a recent try-out in two-seater F1 cars, Coulthard said: "The big surprise first of all is that it has a real street-circuit feel to it.

"You mentally get so used to all the modern tracks getting more and more run off, and then in Abu Dhabi suddenly the run offs are really short because of this Tecpro Barrier. You look at it and think, 'that doesn't look like much run-off'.

"Yet, I would happily trundle around Monaco and not even think about run-off. You always get used to a level of comfort and suddenly, if it is not there, you think about it - but does it actually affect your ability to do your work and the rest of it? It doesn't.

"So, I think there will be a few of the drives saying, 'this looks a bit tight'. But in many ways, they have got used to having tracks with lots of run off and you go to Suzuka, which is a track with not a lot of run-off, and kids are throwing it in the wall.

"I actually think we need an element of that in Formula 1 to maintain respect for the people out of the car - that if you drop it you are going to have a big shunt.

"Also for the drivers, there has to be a penalty for going off a circuit. It should not be a big crash that ends up hurting you, but there has to be a price to pay. And I think this track has redefined the FIA safety standards because of the safety barriers."

Brundle added: "I think it's good. What is refreshing is that it is not a car park with delineated kerbs. You can still whack the barriers there.

"Like at Suzuka, if you make a mistake then you pay the price. Those that didn't [in Japan] looked awesome didn't they? The real stars to me were showing up in Suzuka because it was bloody tough and hard for then - and Abu Dhabi if you make a mistake you will be in the wall.

"It is nice, because in some areas everything else is done to excess, that they have not created acres of run off and supermarket car park zones."

The challenge of the new Yas Marina circuit is also increased by the unique pitlane exit tunnel – which swings through a tight sharp-left at the bottom of a tunnel.

Coulthard thinks the solution is not ideal, but feels that fears of it being a massive problem are going too far.

Coulthard said: "That sort of thing, you can look at it and say it is challenging, but the bottom line is that it is actually a bit silly. It is the width of a car and it is a 90-degree left at the bottom of a tunnel after a blind hill.

"It is one of the things - the FIA stipulates this amount of run-off everywhere around the track but they don't specify pit in and pit out. So you could say let's put some landmines in the wall! It is a bit silly.

"Will we know that? No, because there won't be a camera there. Could there be an incident? Yes. Will there be? Probably not. It is one of those things that if you practice it all day you could probably pick up half a second, but in the overall scheme of things, is that half a second going to make a difference between winning or losing the grand prix?

"If it was really tight of course it could, but probably it will not. So I would err on the side of caution, having found out very early in my career just how costly pit-ins and pit-outs can be! I only made that mistake once."

Although the Yas Marina track features long straights and tight corners to try and improve overtaking – the presence of sand may well be the limiting factor in allowing drivers to pass each other.

"It is very dirty offline," said Coulthard. "I think the only place that might be good for overtaking is down into the first hairpin, and then out of there and down the back straight.

"I think all the stuff around the hotel is just follow-me, it is so tight and twisty. But I think people might go off line in that triple right hander before the hotel, and perhaps go off track there.

"It is similar to Bahrain and that corner behind the pits. There are lots of similarities to lots of other tracks, but it does seem to flow. A lot of modern tracks just don't seem to flow at all, but this does quite well."

F1 hopeful Bruno Senna, who has also lapped the track in a two-seater F1 car, echoed his concerns that sand may well be a limiting factor in allowing drivers to race.

"I think there is one thing that goes against it which is the fact that it's going to be very dusty offline, really, really dusty," said the Brazilian. "So unless they clean the track very well maybe overtaking could be difficult - but it will be possible."
 
I am hoping Hamilton will take the win, does anyone know if Glock is back or not becuase I like his stand in driver Kobayashi is a really aggressive driver and is not afraid the big guys like Button. I hope someone gives him a seat next year.
 
I am hoping Hamilton will take the win, does anyone know if Glock is back or not becuase I like his stand in driver Kobayashi is a really aggressive driver and is not afraid the big guys like Button. I hope someone gives him a seat next year.
Toyota are going to wait until the lastest possible moment to make their decision.

And I wouldn't go so far as to say Kobayashi isn't afraid of the the regular players. Button would have gotten him very quickly if Kobayashi hadn't been weaving so much.
 
Thats why I like him it was his first race and to act like his job relied on him keeping in the points. He will make a great racer with that dedication.
 
Thats why I like him it was his first race and to act like his job relied on him keeping in the points. He will make a great racer with that dedication.

All that weaving may have held up Button, but he was very lucky not to get a penalty for that.
You can only make one move across the racetrack. Weaving consists of more than one.

I enjoyed the drive as well, but just keep it in the rules Kobayashi-san
 
Thats why I like him it was his first race and to act like his job relied on him keeping in the points. He will make a great racer with that dedication.
Don't confuse inexpeirence for dedication. He might have talent, but he was also dangerous, as he proved with Nakajima. He needs a serious amount of refining, otherwise the FIA make revoke his superlicence just as they did with Yuji Ide. Brazil wasn't really a true showing of his abilities because the downpours during qualifying meant he was unusually far up the grid. Now, Lewis Hamilton did very well on his debut, but I don't think Kobayashi is cut from the same cloth because Martin Brundle remarked that on the lap he got past Kobayashi, Jenson Button dialled out a three and a half second lead.

Don't get me wrong, I think he's Japan's best shot at a great racer, but I also think his inexperience really showed through. If he gets a drive at Abu Dhabi, it'll be a truer indicator of his abilities ... but don't expect to see him anywhere enar the points.
 
Glock Out.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79783

Timo Glock will miss the final race of the season in Abu Dhabi, his Toyota team confirmed on Tuesday, and will again be replaced by Kamui Kobayashi.

The German driver has been forced to miss the last two races in Japan and Brazil after he cracked a vertebra in an accident during qualifying at Suzuka.

Although Toyota was hopeful Glock would be fit to compete in the final race of the season, the Japanese squad said on Tuesday that it did not want to take risks and so Kobayashi will race again.

"We feel genuinely sorry for Timo that his season, which has included two impressive podium finishes, is ending in this way," said team president John Howett.

"Having discussed the medical advice with Timo and his management, the team has decided to take no risk and to put Kamui in the car. Kamui performed well in Brazil in difficult circumstances so we are happy to ask him to once again deputise."

Twenty-three year-old Kobayashi had a promising debut at Interlagos, finishing in 11th position.
 
About Kobayashi, he's getting a lot of criticism, but the one who was the real danger was Webber. He was the one who took Kimi out of the race (or almost).
 
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