2009 European Grand Prix

2 kilos lighter than Kov isn't that much, how many kilos of fuel would 1 lap be?
Hamilton's expected in on 16. Button is due around 20. There's eight kilograms and four laps between them, so it's roughly two kilos per lap, most likely due to the stop-start nature of the circuit.
 
I never expected SSchumacher to be a dominator at all if he came back, he would stick around in q2 and q3 maybe, but he's not that bad
 
I guess we'll never know how well Schumacher would've done here will we? *sigh* what could have been...

What are your guys' picks for the podium tomorrow? My vote goes to...

1. Barrichello
2. Hamilton
3. Vettel

My logic behind this being that Rubens has a better strategy than Hamilton, plus he'll be absolutely desperate to win a race, seeing as how this may be his last big chance to win and finish his career in style(I'm praying that he stays in F1 awhile longer though.) I think Lewis will be second because he's far too good of a driver to fall very far down the field in a car that performs as well as that McLaren is right now unless he crashes or his engine blows up or something like that, and I picked Vettel for third because he's an incredible driver and he'll be hungry to close up the gap to both Mark and Jenson in the point standings. Plus I doubt Kovalainen will be too much trouble to Vettel(you never know with KERS though.)

Your thoughts?
 
I never expected SSchumacher to be a dominator at all if he came back, he would stick around in q2 and q3 maybe, but he's not that bad

You've really got to start thinking before you post. :ouch:

This is fantastic. Ferrari will finally win. I hope that he probably stays for awhile, maybe the rest of the season, despite being 40.
 

+3

:lol:

Welp, I'm stoked to see the Mclarens make such a turn around halfway through the season. Just about 2-3 races ago, Mclaren couldn't even get out of Q3, now they're 1-2 for the European GP. Well done guys! 👍

1. Ham
2. Vet
3. Kov

Finishing positions.
 
Is it ok if I laugh at myself? :lol:. I over reacted there when I heard the news, but over the course of hist preparation before his announcement about not returning, I lost confidence in him.
 
Barrichello is looking good, for a driver that has had his retirement watch just about handed to him, he is showing, who, has the experience.

Red Bull and BGP have got some decision making during this race, depending on how things pan out after the first pitstops, in relation to which driver is going to lead their team to the championship. Both Jenson and Mark must be careful, not to get tangled up with a light Renault and a KERS Ferrari.
Out of the top 4 in the race for the championship, Vettel is poised with the least pressure and stands to gain a heap of confidence as a contender if he can get back on the podium.

My picks


Vettel
Barrichello
Hamilton
Webber
Button
Raikkonen
Kovalienen
Kubica
 
Good thing it's sunny. Not that it wasn't unlikely...
 
That was a pretty spectacular failure of Bumei's brakes. Don't think I've even seen a failure of that sort. And GO RUBENS GO!!!
 
Great, I tune in and the race is already over. Qualifying wasn't even on yesterday. Congrats to Reubens.
 
What a drive by Reubens today. And perfect calls by Brawn as well. Well deserved victory lap for the old guy.
 
Well done Rubens!

But the question is raised again do we really want F1 to come back to Valencia? That race was the most boring race since some of Schumacher's wins in 2004
 
Big shame about Hamilton's pitstop but I think Barrichello was going to win this one anyway. He almost passed Hamilton after the first pitstop despite Hamilton having a 5 second lead at that point so I think he would have got the lead at the second pitstop anyway. It would have been a big fight to the finish after that but the McLaren pitstop put an end to that.
 
All city circuits sucks, including Monaco.

I prefer watching MotoGP. A lot more of overtaking.

Congrats Rubens and Kimi. Also Lewis. Congrat also to Nico.
 
This has been one of the weirdest and wide-open seasons in recent memory.
 
Good job to Rubens, and Badoer moved up like what, 3 positions from where he started. Not too bad even tohugh two were DNF. I still give him credit for trying even though his chances were very low.
 
Good job to Rubens, and Badoer moved up like what, 3 positions from where he started. Not too bad even tohugh two were DNF. I still give him credit for trying even though his chances were very low.

That does not take away he made a plain stupid error when exitting the pit lane. First of all, he never had to move for Grosjean and could just keep him behind his car. Second, he exits the pit lane slower than Romain, yet he does not manage to not hit the white line. Yeah, give him a break, but Ferrari have been plain stupid and stuborn to not look into some fresh new blood to bring into the team.
 
That was a pretty spectacular failure of Bumei's brakes. Don't think I've even seen a failure of that sort. And GO RUBENS GO!!!

But well that happened to Force India whether last year or this year in Hungary but he didn't spun around his car and retire...

Solid race by Rubens grats to him... And higher congrats from me to the BMW of Kubica for scoring a point this weekend... Can't wait for Spa!!!

That does not take away he made a plain stupid error when exitting the pit lane. First of all, he never had to move for Grosjean and could just keep him behind his car. Second, he exits the pit lane slower than Romain, yet he does not manage to not hit the white line. Yeah, give him a break, but Ferrari have been plain stupid and stuborn to not look into some fresh new blood to bring into the team.

Yeah I felt sooo sorry for Badoer... He made a lot of mistakes that some of them were stupid mistake that any race car driver shouldn't done... But after ten years and back to the seat, that's owkey...

That's correct!!! Ferrari only opted to go with older drivers... what happened??? I don't understand...
 
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......, but Ferrari have been plain stupid and stubborn to not look into some fresh new blood to bring into the team.

Agreed, this was the perfect time to bring in new talent, even 2 or 3 drivers. Ferrari's future would be a smart thing to look at.

Almost any decent driver, could run at the back safely and learn over the course of 2 -3 GP's

Ha, they could have even given Piquet a drive, surely he could've been in with a shot at a point.
 
Button got lucky. Between Vettel's engine and Webber's failure to score, he's dialled his lead out a little, and I think he'd be more comfortable with Barrichello second overall. I think Vettel's championship is over, though.
 
I think Vettel's championship is over, though.

Yes indeed mate... he's now on his last engine and if he lost another one... In every race, he will have a 10 places grid penalty...

Webber has a chance but not now I guess...
 
Well, coverage of the race just finished here in Australia. That's how boring it was: I not only spoiled it ahead of time, I actually discssed it on the forums. But I think Valencia can be fixed:

- Firstly, make it feel like a street circuit. Bring the barriers in closer; much closer, actually. I know that if they were closer, Buemi's exit would have been far more dramatic, but there's none of the danger or claustrophobia the way there is at Monaco and even Singapore.

- Reprofile the first sector. Get rid of the stop/start crap through the first section; the cars should go flat out from the final corner all the way around to what is now turn seven and the swing bridge.

- Change turn seven as well. Make it easier, more of a sweeper than a sharp turn, but one that still requires braking. It becomes the first serious braking point of the lap instead of that fiddly chicane.

- Fix the switchback. Smooth it out to a fast chicane like the one at the beginning of the final sector in Melbourne. Sharpen turn seventeen while you're at it, so that the whole section from the bridge becomes a real test of a driver's ability.

- Finally, sort out the final corner. It's so damn narrow, it's no wonder Alonso hit Heidfeld. Move the STart Line forward and make the final bend a doule-apex.
 
Well, coverage of the race just finished here in Australia. That's how boring it was: I not only spoiled it ahead of time, I actually discssed it on the forums. But I think Valencia can be fixed:

- Firstly, make it feel like a street circuit. Bring the barriers in closer; much closer, actually. I know that if they were closer, Buemi's exit would have been far more dramatic, but there's none of the danger or claustrophobia the way there is at Monaco and even Singapore.

- Reprofile the first sector. Get rid of the stop/start crap through the first section; the cars should go flat out from the final corner all the way around to what is now turn seven and the swing bridge.

- Change turn seven as well. Make it easier, more of a sweeper than a sharp turn, but one that still requires braking. It becomes the first serious braking point of the lap instead of that fiddly chicane.

- Fix the switchback. Smooth it out to a fast chicane like the one at the beginning of the final sector in Melbourne. Sharpen turn seventeen while you're at it, so that the whole section from the bridge becomes a real test of a driver's ability.

- Finally, sort out the final corner. It's so damn narrow, it's no wonder Alonso hit Heidfeld. Move the STart Line forward and make the final bend a doule-apex.

That's gonna throw a lot of money but for good at least. They need more time for that and yes I totally agree with you!!!!
 
Good job to Rubens, and Badoer moved up like what, 3 positions from where he started. Not too bad even tohugh two were DNF. I still give him credit for trying even though his chances were very low.

He also moved up to 14th at the start but got hit by Grosjean (according to him anyway).
So he had a brilliant start all things considered.

That does not take away he made a plain stupid error when exitting the pit lane. First of all, he never had to move for Grosjean and could just keep him behind his car. Second, he exits the pit lane slower than Romain, yet he does not manage to not hit the white line. Yeah, give him a break, but Ferrari have been plain stupid and stuborn to not look into some fresh new blood to bring into the team.

Hmm, I can't decide whether he made a mistake exiting the pits (spun the wheels, momentarily lost control or whatever), mistakenly let Grosjean past or decided it was better to let Grosjean past anyway as he was faster and didn't want to be taken out by a rookie.

Either way, other than the odd mistake, it was a sensible and decent drive from him. He definitely was not the worst driver this weekend in terms of how he performed to his targets. He actually got on the pace in the middle of the race and I think we should see him perform a lot better come Spa (a track he does know).

I agree that Ferrari should have let someone else race though - Bourdais or Piquet would have been more sensible choices.



Anyway, a fantastic victory for Rubens, beat Hamilton fair and square (with a little help from Macca :lol:). Another horrible race for Jenson, but still scoring points keeping his championship lead fairly strong at 18 points. Still enough buffer to cover him not scoring and allow him to continually finish high in points. Bet Bernie's hating how well Jenson is doing :lol:
 
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Well, coverage of the race just finished here in Australia. That's how boring it was: I not only spoiled it ahead of time, I actually discssed it on the forums. But I think Valencia can be fixed:

- Firstly, make it feel like a street circuit. Bring the barriers in closer; much closer, actually. I know that if they were closer, Buemi's exit would have been far more dramatic, but there's none of the danger or claustrophobia the way there is at Monaco and even Singapore.

- Reprofile the first sector. Get rid of the stop/start crap through the first section; the cars should go flat out from the final corner all the way around to what is now turn seven and the swing bridge.

- Change turn seven as well. Make it easier, more of a sweeper than a sharp turn, but one that still requires braking. It becomes the first serious braking point of the lap instead of that fiddly chicane.

- Fix the switchback. Smooth it out to a fast chicane like the one at the beginning of the final sector in Melbourne. Sharpen turn seventeen while you're at it, so that the whole section from the bridge becomes a real test of a driver's ability.

- Finally, sort out the final corner. It's so damn narrow, it's no wonder Alonso hit Heidfeld. Move the STart Line forward and make the final bend a doule-apex.

I know it sucks, but what you suggested doesn't really make it any better it just makes one more place for overtaking and makes the track just flat out virtually the whole time.
 
Hmm, I can't decide whether he made a mistake exiting the pits (spun the wheels, momentarily lost control or whatever), mistakenly let Grosjean past or decided it was better to let Grosjean past anyway as he was faster and didn't want to be taken out by a rookie.

Either way, other than the odd mistake, it was a sensible and decent drive from him. He definitely was not the worst driver this weekend in terms of how he performed to his targets. He actually got on the pace in the middle of the race and I think we should see him perform a lot better come Spa (a track he does know).

No mistakes on his part. I guess he just freaked out when he saw Grosjean coming on to him that fast in the pit lane. After all, Romain was on full pit lane speed when Badoer was only exitting the pit lane. But nevertheless Badoer could've defended that position right there at that time, even if Grosjean was to take it back later on.

But the main point is that this round is a signal towards Ferrari to start looking for some fresh blood into their line-up. Granted, Badoer and Gene might play an important role as a testing driver. But a driver that has been driving for Minardi in his last years and then not driving a full race distance in race conditions for 10 years is something that I cannot expect from such a strong and large team as Ferrari.

Massa was very lucky to get away from his crash with "only" a skullfracture, a concussion and the other injuries he suffered. But imagine that this accident happened a year ago, when Ferrari was battling in both championships. If they had to replace Massa with Badoer, their battle with Mclaren would be as good as over. As a team as Ferrari, you cannot expect that one of the field's two best drivers are here to stay, and that nothing can happen to them. If they would have a proper youth-driver program, they could've had both of their cars in the points this weekend.


I agree that Ferrari should have let someone else race though - Bourdais or Piquet would have been more sensible choices.

Anything would be better than Badoer, but if they were looking for a driver to secure Ferrari's third position in the constructors championship, I personally would look beyond even Bourdais and Piquet. I never really got a chance to see Nelson at his full potential as he's been driving with worse material than Alonso. Bourdais is plain simple not good enough.
 
Hmm, but you're running out of choices if you go outside of current F1 drivers...do you really want to take a risk with a rookie with no experience? Does it effect their long term plans?

The fact that their situation is so important makes it clear they felt that Badoer was the best choice. Without being an employee of Scuderia Ferrari, I don't think we can really know all the reasons, therefore its difficult to say whether anyone else is for certain a better choice - ok yes, in terms of driving performance, but there are more factors to your driver choice than simple driving talent. Especially when you are the as-ever political Ferrari.
 
Was such a boring race, mainly due to Valencia being such a dull circuit. It looks like someone has setup miles of corcrete bollards and fences in a completely flat carpark! If you can imagine from the drivers low down view there would be nothing to see but wide open tarmac (Valencia is also way too wide). I can't understand why they compare it to Monaco because it doesnt have any character nor the atmosphere, and now its signed for another 5 years :nervous:

Anyway, other than that I am so happy that Barrichello won, its been a long time coming and he has shown he is still very much competitive. If it wernt for the years of Schumacher paring he might have a greater reputation (not in the shadows) but he has always been championship material and he is still in my mind one of the nicest guys on the grid.

As for Badoer it was the most stupid decision to put him in the Ferrari, they said they wanted a driver who would be competitive in this race :ouch:. Im sure even Shumacher with a busted neck would have done a better job! I seriously hope Ferrari get someone, anyone else for the next race. Maybe some young driver would be a good idea because im sure Ferrari have some guys they have been 'developing' over the years like Mclaren and Hamilton.

On another note did any of you see Martin Brundle push in infront of that SkyTV women because he wanted to get a chat from Vettel first, he will be in the dog house for that! :sly:

Robin.
 
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