2009 Italian Grand Prix

[SUPER NUMBBER]

We know he's definately in the top 5 racing drivers currently in F1 but his strength is also his weakness. The mechanics might be doing their dream job, but when you've put your heart and soul into it and are starting to see the success of a 3rd place...and some hard-earned bonus, it'd be a right kick in the nuts! No one is suggesting he doesn't try and catch Button, but a driver should be able to know how hard to push.

And how do you think they feel when they know the car is a dog, yet Hamilton, by that same driving style, drags it into the points? Yeah, I know how hard a driver has to push...100%. And there's been many more of those this year...every once in a while you'll go 101% and lose it. But as the standings show, Hamilton shouldn't even be in contention by now; that's how bad the car is. Have you ever thought about how disappointed HE feels about the car, having to push to the extreme every race just to save face??

The mechanics are not disappointed. I can bet my life savings on that.

He over-drives, simple as that. Many claim he has fantastic car control, but I compare him very much to Takuma Sato. They both see going forwards as the only option...they push the boundaries and do make very elementary mistakes. But that fighter in them, as you say - IS exciting to watch. But is that what car control is? To lose control of the car that often? Someone like Button, who doesn't look ''exciting'' just has a different driving style where he isn't losing time by locking his brakes and getting sideways, ruining his tyres with every move.

I swear....

WTF are you and interceptor drinking??? First Piquet, now Sato??? Takuma Sato??? "elementary mistakes"...."losing control of the car often"???



I'm sorry, this is the dumbest paragraph I've EVER...had the horror of witnessing on this forum...













































TAKUMA SATO???????

 

[NapoleonMikey]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

above post has win all over it.

but yea i think that was one of Hamilton's biggest mistakes all year and people are acting as if this was 07 or 08 where he made these dumb mistakes at least every other race.

 

[Hun200kmh]

WTF are you and interceptor drinking??? First Piquet, now Sato??? Takuma Sato??? "elementary mistakes"...."losing control of the car often"???

I'm not sure what the interceptor will think of this .... but I remembered western movies and those typical saloon scenes where a fist fight starts and the first guy to get hit had nothing to do with it

 

[sejtur]

Rpm has a point. Hamilton is better than Takuma Sato IMO, but he's right that they sometimes make thesame mistakes. In 08 Sato made exactly thesame mistake. He was exiting the last corner on the kerb, and spinned into the barrier, just as hamilton did.

 

[bicycleshorts]

I apologise for my rant, anyway. I was still very excited by it at the time as you can tell I'm not a fan boi of Hamilton, or any driver infact. I've got nothing against him as a driver, or racer...but as a media package, including his fan base it makes me want to chuck my fingers down my throat!

I agree entirely with this, it's annoying being a fan of a sport and having people go "HAMILTON WTF. WHY DON'T YOU JUST DRIVE FASTER?!?!11" etc.

But, I leave all that annoyance to when I read or watch the news. When I'm watching the race, I'm watching and thinking about the drivers, not their fanbase

 

[Ardius]

I'd also just like to point out that Hamilton isn't a driver who makes these mistakes every race - he does make mistakes like this from time to time...but then every driver makes mistakes.

I don't think Hamilton should change the way he drives because of it. It makes him a more interesting driver to watch and a lot more memorable.

Lewis could make the same mistake for the next 4 races and McLaren would still be desperately trying to rehire him (if he wasn't already contracted I mean). Same can't be said for Kovalainen.

 

[niky]

Rpm has a point. Hamilton is better than Takuma Sato IMO, but he's right that they sometimes make thesame mistakes. In 08 Sato made exactly thesame mistake. He was exiting the last corner on the kerb, and spinned into the barrier, just as hamilton did.

There's a difference between making a mistake going half-a-second a lap faster than everyone else and making a mistake going half-a-second slower than everyone else.

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Just sayin'...

 

[sejtur]

There's a difference between making a mistake going half-a-second a lap faster than everyone else and making a mistake going half-a-second slower than everyone else.

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Just sayin'...

I know.

There's also a difference in driving a race-winning McLaren and a backmarker Super Aguri.
There's no difference in losing control of the car though.

 

[tibiquera]

Come on people, give Hamilton a break. He had a visibly slower car than the Brawns with a strategy many would argue was bad, in a car that is known to be twitchy at high speed corners and still managed to fight with Button. It's true he made a mistake, but how many drivers would be fast enough to be fighting for a position with Button? His p3 would've been a fantastic position had he finished the race, and he was only there because he drove beyond the car's limit during the race. And saying he should've been content with his track position might be right, but remember in 1988 or 1989 on the Monaco GP Senna was over a minute ahead of second place and still crashed. Would you now compare Senna to Sato?

 

[sejtur]

Come on people, give Hamilton a break. He had a visibly slower car than the Brawns with a strategy many would argue was bad, in a car that is known to be twitchy at high speed corners and still managed to fight with Button. It's true he made a mistake, but how many drivers would be fast enough to be fighting for a position with Button? His p3 would've been a fantastic position had he finished the race, and he was only there because he drove beyond the car's limit during the race. And saying he should've been content with his track position might be right, but remember in 1988 or 1989 on the Monaco GP Senna was over a minute ahead of second place and still crashed. Would you now compare Senna to Sato?

If you meant me, I'm only comparing the way control is lost over the car by 2 different drivers. I'm comparing Hamilton's way of losing the car to Sato's. I knew that Senna crashed. But I haven't seen the crash. Would be weird be oversteering on a kerb in Monaco, way less likely.

Anyways, I'm not so hard on Hamilton. He just made a mistake. That's it. Everybody makes mistakes, **** happens. And he didn't fight for position with Button. He was only chasing Button.

 

[The Outlaw]

Come on people, give Hamilton a break. He had a visibly slower car than the Brawns with a strategy many would argue was bad, in a car that is known to be twitchy at high speed corners and still managed to fight with Button. It's true he made a mistake, but how many drivers would be fast enough to be fighting for a position with Button? His p3 would've been a fantastic position had he finished the race, and he was only there because he drove beyond the car's limit during the race. And saying he should've been content with his track position might be right, but remember in 1988 or 1989 on the Monaco GP Senna was over a minute ahead of second place and still crashed. Would you now compare Senna to Sato?

Thank you 👍

 

[GTP_rpm]

And how do you think they feel when they know the car is a dog, yet Hamilton, by that same driving style, drags it into the points? Yeah, I know how hard a driver has to push...100%. And there's been many more of those this year...every once in a while you'll go 101% and lose it. But as the standings show, Hamilton shouldn't even be in contention by now; that's how bad the car is. Have you ever thought about how disappointed HE feels about the car, having to push to the extreme every race just to save face??

The mechanics are not disappointed. I can bet my life savings on that.



I swear....

WTF are you and interceptor drinking??? First Piquet, now Sato??? Takuma Sato??? "elementary mistakes"...."losing control of the car often"???



I'm sorry, this is the dumbest paragraph I've EVER...had the horror of witnessing on this forum...













































TAKUMA SATO???????

Everyone knows how to type loud and shout, but not everyone knows what they're talking about.

How about you think for a minute. I am not passing comment on comparing him to Piquet, infact I haven't seen any similarities. However, Hamilton and Sato are drivers both;

1) Over-drive and rarely know how/will to drive with more care or caution.

2) They both opt. for aggressive strategies. They will always go lighter, to give them the attacking car, even if in a weaker position on the grid.

3) They are extremely brave/committed to overtaking.

For not one minute, was I saying Sato is as good as Hamilton. Perhaps you should re-read my post and sort your side of the story out before you come kicking and screaming like a raging homosexual on acid.

Ardius, yes Hamilton doesn't make these mistakes that often, but he does still make elementary mistakes. He's still young, I'd like to think if he ironed them out he'd be a better driver for it and not have to lose anything. Anyone remember what a hazard Takuma Sato was in his Jordan days? But the chap still managed to bring home points. He did the same at Aguri...but by the final stages he had calmed down by a lot!

As for comparing Sato to Senna, I don't think their driving styles were the same, no. As someone said, everyone makes mistakes...But Lewis and Takuma are both considered to have very loose driving styles in the paddock.

 

[tibiquera]

As for comparing Sato to Senna, I don't think their driving styles were the same, no. As someone said, everyone makes mistakes...But Lewis and Takuma are both considered to have very loose driving styles in the paddock.

Senna was extremely aggressive when fighting for position (ask Prost) and would always go flat out the whole race. He too would make mistakes, though very very rarely. And he would always fight till the very last corner. But I really wouldn't like comparing him to Sato (even if they had exactly the same style, which I'm not saying they do) because they were in completely different leagues.

Same with Hamilton. He is a much better driver than Sato, and even if they have a similar style, it would be unfair to both to be compared to each other. Maybe a comparison with drivers such as Montoya, Massa, or even Mansell would be better.

 

[GTP_rpm]

Perhaps, but I don't see such a large gap between most of the F1 drivers so much that they are not comparable.

Sato lacked the refinement that karting taught most of the drivers, but he did win British F3 and did score points for Jordan and Aguri. It can't be over looked. He's not as good as Lewis no, but he's not so bad that you can't compare them...

 

[L_Hamilton]

Well Sato also never had a good car like Lewis does now with the Mclaren. Sato had a half decent car at BAR in 2004. But that's about it. Lewis gets dropped into a winning front running car right off the bat. Let's see him in Toro Rosso. I want to see how AMAZING he does(not). You can't compare anyone unless they have at least the same level of equipment.

 

[SUPER NUMBBER]

Everyone knows how to type loud and shout, but not everyone knows what they're talking about.

Do YOU know what you're talking about?...

But is that what car control is? To lose control of the car that often?

Ardius, yes Hamilton doesn't make these mistakes that often

I submit 'NO'...

For not one minute, was I saying Sato is as good as Hamilton.

OK genius, if you managed to understand Hamilton is actually a good driver, why are you going on a whinefest about mechanics being upset over Hamilton having a crash, which you apparently haven't decided whether it happens often or not?? What's the point??

As for comparing Sato to Senna, I don't think their driving styles were the same, no. As someone said, everyone makes mistakes...But Lewis and Takuma are both considered to have very loose driving styles in the paddock.

So Takuma Sato, Lewis Hamilton and Ayrton Senna all had the same driving style, but only Sato and Hamilton are comparable....explain that little gold nugget of wisdom.

You gotta suffer from a multiple personality disorder....

 

[Famine]

I'm tired of the insults being thrown here.

Be grateful it's my birthday and I'm in a good mood.