2010 Formula 1 Qantas Australian Grand Prix

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The only thing I was trying to highlight is that using the fastest lap as a statistic to say one car is faster than another is wrong and suggesting that if someone really wanted to work out which car was the fastest the final positions do not necessarily tell the story (as clearly Vettel, Webber and I'd also say Alonso) were likely faster than at least Kubica and Massa despite finishing behind/not finishing. It could potentially be an interesting statistic if you could easily eliminate variables. In reality though you can't.

I didn't forget about Button going off but I figured that cancels out since Alonso had to overtake 18 cars for position while Button only had to overtake about 5? As for overtaking backmarkers and pitstops both Alonso and Button had to do both.
 
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In hindsight, massa lost out on 10 points, when alonso profited (boosted by some cheating done by flavio, pat and nelson) which would have been more than enough for the WDC regardless of what happened at spa. I'm not saying that Alonso cost him the championship, but in hindsight it could seem that way. Albeit, not deliberately.
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And I'm saying that you can't just blame it all on that one incident, particularly, as I pointed out, since Massa had his own incident in that race which also cost him points. There were many factors in that season and although that was a key one, it wasn't the only one, certainly not to the point of saying "this lost him the championship", more like "this was a factor which contributed to him losing the championship".
But whatever, its all semantics really isn't it? :p.
 
J-PaP
Average lap time would (though such a statistic is not given)
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This statistic is available...

1 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:36.58
2 Robert Kubica Renault 1:36.71
3 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:36.73
4 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:36.75
5 Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 1:36.76
6 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:37.31
7 Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes 1:37.62
8 Rubens Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1:37.62
9 Mark Webber RBR-Renault 1:37.69
10 Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP 1:37.72
11 Jaime Alguersuari STR-Ferrari 1:37.74
12 Pedro de la Rosa BMW Sauber-Ferrari 1:37.76

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One other thing I just remember but I saw it during the race... the 30 metre exclusion zone is only a "suggestion" - not a rule... which is a bit weird...

In the first raft of pit stops - Kubica pulled out right in front of someone - it was necessary for Renault cos Petrov was coming in... but I thought at the time - he'll get a penalty for that... but then they mentioned on commentary that it's not an actual rule...

Also - notice how it changes depending on the pit lane size of the track.

C.
 
yeti
One other thing I just remember but I saw it during the race... the 30 metre exclusion zone is only a "suggestion" - not a rule... which is a bit weird...
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It's probably more of a if somebody has to swerve or brake to avoid you, you'll get a hefty penalty. I remember there were incidents where two drivers went two-wide in the pitlane.
 
Average lap time says nothing about pace... because the guy who finishes first will always have the lowest average lap-time, and average lap-time goes up as you go down the field.
 
niky
Average lap time says nothing about pace... because the guy who finishes first will always have the lowest average lap-time, and average lap-time goes up as you go down the field.
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Not if you're leading but crash out before the first pit-stop ;)
 
With the no-refueling formula? It may still hold. Even with fresh tires, you're not going to be lapping in a fully fueled car anywhere near the pace of the fastest laps of the nearly empty runners at the finish.
 
niky
Average lap time says nothing about pace... because the guy who finishes first will always have the lowest average lap-time, and average lap-time goes up as you go down the field.
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Mainly my point for posting them!

C.
 
niky
With the no-refueling formula? It may still hold. Even with fresh tires, you're not going to be lapping in a fully fueled car anywhere near the pace of the fastest laps of the nearly empty runners at the finish.
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Crash on the last lap then
 
Ardius
And I'm saying that you can't just blame it all on that one incident, particularly, as I pointed out, since Massa had his own incident in that race which also cost him points. There were many factors in that season and although that was a key one, it wasn't the only one, certainly not to the point of saying "this lost him the championship", more like "this was a factor which contributed to him losing the championship".
But whatever, its all semantics really isn't it? :p.
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I wasn't just having a rant saying that Alonso cost Massa the title... I think my opinion on this date's back to someone else's comment on Massa being one of the most likeable drivers on the grid. Someone else then went on to say that they used to agree, but don't anymore as Massa has stated in interviews that it cost him the title.

Anyway, I was just trying to say that massa's been very mature about the whole thing and that if i was in his shoe's and just narrowly missed out on the world title, I'd be looking for someone to blame. In reality, I'm not blaming Alonso, I'm simply stating that if I was Massa, then Alonso would be the easiest target. So i think he has been quite mature about it.

As it happens, hindsight is a wonderful thing. Although I was rooting for Massa in '08, he came so close, but I guess it just wasn't to be.

By the way, I've got to say that Alonso has been a picture of a team player this year... Seriously, look up team player in a dictionary (not that it would be listed like that) and there would be a picture of Alonso in ferrari colours.

It's kind of a relief, as Massa is one of my favourite drivers, but with Alonso being the quickest and having stared at Massa's diffuser for much of Australia, and then to sincerely say that he enjoyed the race, bodes well for the strength of the team this year.

But it's Vettel's year this year.
 
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This has to be up there with the greatest laps of all time. There was something Senna-esque about it. You watch it thinking he's going to wall it at every corner.
 
Sparks coming off the front left side of the car on the third to last corner. Was that off the wheel or front wing? Either way all that kerb bashing definitely contributed to the left front wheel failure.
 
Alex.
This has to be up there with the greatest laps of all time. There was something Senna-esque about it. You watch it thinking he's going to wall it at every corner.
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Nah, thats nothing. Its only the final few corners where it gets interesting. This is better:

 
Raikkonen was on the ragged edge on that lap. Was the Sauber hard to drive or was it just because its his debut season so he might have still been learning? Still very entertaining either way :).

Am I going a bit off-topic now by replying to what's above lol? I received a nice telling off in 'The Rumble Strip' for reviving a really old thread; so just making sure if my forum behaviour is still alright.
 
It's ok. Sometimes it's better to make a new thread if the other one is VERY old. But the mods here are generally good. I have been told off for breathing loudly a few times though :sly:
 
Mods here are definitely great :D. Wasn't actually a mod that was giving me stick for my thread reviving though :confused:. Good to know I'm not alone with getting told off though :lol:.
 
Louie_Schumii
Raikkonen was on the ragged edge on that lap. Was the Sauber hard to drive or was it just because its his debut season so he might have still been learning? Still very entertaining either way :).
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The Sauber was a dog of a car basically, just like the Tyrrell in the second video.
This is what we have been missing in F1 for a few years now - slower cars that are a handful to drive. They look a lot more exciting to watch and you have to say its a real talent test between teammates. This year we finally have them back, watching the HRTs especially is impressive to see driver control. Some of Bruno Senna's onboards this year have been very good, you can see the amount of corrections he has to make compared to a dialed-in car like the Red Bull.
 
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