2010 Formula One Spanish Grand Prix

  • Thread starter Thread starter Peter
  • 194 comments
  • 17,224 views
More like, the money goes with the champions, while a country has an active champion, its quite likely to have many potential investors trying to cash in on the PR.
The only reason we have any GP is money. There are "protected" circuits like Monza and Monaco which take precedence over any other consideration but even they could be axed if they couldn't pay (which Monza has struggled to without the help of Ferrari).

If Valencia goes, its probably quite likely the Euro GP will disappear again, especially now we have Korea and India as well as possibly the USA, Argentina and Portugal.
I'd rather have more countries and more variety than visiting the same country twice, partly because there are very few countries with more than one FIA-spec track anyway. Just as long as we go to good tracks.
 
Well certainly the fan base is there to be exploited in countries who have reining world champions. I wouldn't write Donnington off just yet.
 
Ardius
Whether you mean the circuit or the street course, neither are particularly good. The circuit is a test venue only for the principal reason that its quite narrrow.
Again, more bike racing designs rather than cars.
The street course is just plain terrible, its not even a proper street course really and doesn't carry any of the charateristics of one apart from the dust.
Click to expand...

I was talking about the race track. The city course is just awful, I fell asleep in that race, and didn't bother watching the re-run. The GP2 race was more exiting, and I didn't know anything about the drivers. You know how all of the other city courses stand out for something, Monaco being by the sea and being the most challenging and most narrow, Singapore being a night race. The most this one stands out for is that it runs over a bridge. I hope they dump it, for another track in Britian, because of 2 British world champions in a British team, or back to Nurburgring, because of Schumacher's return.
 
I love Catalunia GP track ever since I played it first in a F1 game, think it was F1 97... the new chicane pretty much killed it tho. The last two corners were the best of the whole track, going thru there full throttle was amazing, if you nailed it.
Now it's still an ok track imo, here's hoping for rain and an outsider win. :D
 
I wish Imola was still on the calendar. I don't really care for Valencia or Singapore. Plus Singapore is tainted. :sly:
 
It would have to boost its facilities though, teams complained a lot about the facilities, which is what helped make it fall off the calendar.
 
Here's a sneak peak of Mercedes GP's new airbox. A very unusual and interesting design:

z1273153982.jpg

z1273153974.jpg
 
Last edited by a moderator:
In keeping with engine cover changes, do you notice anything missing here?

1273161312.jpg
 
Hmm, it's about time something was done about that, it's only a shame that Marlboro are not forced to withdraw their financial support too.

I wonder how long it will be before the cig packs are redesigned to match the car.
 
LOL, It's even worse now with the white box than it was with the barcode!!!


I have no doubt the same doctors that are doing Marlboro the big favour of added publicity will complain about the white box. However, Ferrari and Phillip Morris can now do what they want, even paint a portrait like Mona Lisa in their engine cover. Everyone will know at last that what the smile really means ("hmmm, all I need now is a cig" ) :lol:

PS - And If the same doctors complain again about the Mona Lisa logo, they can then switch to a guitar with the wording "In Hommage to Deep Purple" ;)
 
Gotta hand it to Ferrari; they are pretty slick. Leaving the white outline instead of removing the box altogether will keep people thinking about what WAS there before.

If the FIA really wants to close all those loopholes, they'd have to ban tobacco sponsorship.
 
The barcode was obviously subliminally malboro it's unbelievable. I can understand them removing it.
 
Its rediculous that tobacco and alcohol advertising is banned anyway, both of these were the perfect money-makers for F1 teams and did anyone really start smoking Rothmans, JPS or Benson & Hedges just because of F1 car liveries? They were also some of the best liveries we ever had. I realise its because of banned adveritising on TV in general, but couldn't there have been an allowance for sponsorship?
 
Alex.
The barcode was obviously subliminally malboro it's unbelievable. I can understand them removing it.
Click to expand...

I think the response from Montibielzibubo, or what ever his name is, was that 'there is nothing subliminal about it' was quite amusing. It's funny that this has been brought up, I only mentioned it in a thread on here some two or three weeks back. The daft thing about it all is the team are still called Ferrari Scuderia Marlboro.

Ardius
Its rediculous that tobacco and alcohol advertising is banned anyway, both of these were the perfect money-makers for F1 teams and did anyone really start smoking Rothmans, JPS or Benson & Hedges just because of F1 car liveries? They were also some of the best liveries we ever had. I realise its because of banned adveritising on TV in general, but couldn't there have been an allowance for sponsorship?
Click to expand...

They were perfect for the teams that were sponsored by tobacco firms, not for the ones that were not! The bottom line of it is that it is deemed unethical by the host governments to allow advertising of a product that ultimately costs said country ridiculously large amounts of money in healthcare. Wasn't the Belgian race scrapped a few years back because of this very issue?
 
Last edited:
Alex.
The barcode was obviously subliminally malboro it's unbelievable. I can understand them removing it.
Click to expand...
Was it subliminal? It wasn't subliminal to us. We knew that Marlboro weren't allowed to put their name on the car. We noticed them putting the barcode on the Ferrari whilst we knew they were still receiving sponsorship from Marlboro.

We knew barcode = Marlboro, but not through any subliminal means. And Marlboro have now attained even more publicity by getting folk talking about them again.

We and us = F1 fans.
 
There's nothing subliminal about the bar code, the white square or whatever else they draw i their livery. The fact is, Marlboro is their (Scuderia Ferrari) title sponsor. It's in the NAME of the team. So, it's not the barcode that means tobacco. It is the fact that you KNOW what was supposed to be there but isn't. That's why ANY drawing will have the same effect.

About the broader issue of tobacco advertising ... I will refrain from discussing the subject here (there's a forum for such general discussions in gtplanet). However, I will only say that hipocrisy and political correctness run the show in this matter, not ethics.
 
Fastas
They were perfect for the teams that were sponsored by tobacco firms, not for the ones that were not! The bottom line of it is that it is deemed unethical by the host governments to allow advertising of a product that ultimately costs said country ridiculously large amounts of money in healthcare. Wasn't the Belgian race scrapped a few years back because of this very issue?
Click to expand...

There were plenty of smaller teams sponsored by such companies also. They were a perfect supply of sponsors because tobacco companies will always have money due to the nature of their customers. I know why it was disallowed, I just think its rediculous in this particular instance.
Surely if healthcare was truly a problem in this sense, then the fast food restaurants and companies should be banned too?

Where does it really stop? Shall we ban Gran Turismo sponsorship too to encourage people to go outside rather than play games?

This is perhaps an issue for its own thread though, but its more to do with motorsport and the descreasing finance available for it. Perhaps we should have a thread discussing the future of motorsport in general?
 
Another 5:00 a,m, start -time here on Canada's West Coast :yuck::irked::boggled::grumpy::cheers:
 
Any pictures of Ferrari's and Red Bull's newly positioned mirrors?
 
To be honest though, if Ferrari are made to remove the Box so should Marlboro Ducati MotoGP, from the Bike, Team Clothing, Riders leathers and most of all, the trucks with the massive Barcode along the side! Still, money is money in motorsport, if they arnt deliberately advertising, i see it as very clever to do it subliminally!
 
Ferrari/Phillip Morris are absolute genius's. By leaving the white box is making the lack of marlboro symbol even more obvious. On top of that, being such a simple shape means nobody in their right mind can complain about it.
 
J-PaP
Ferrari/Phillip Morris are absolute genius's. By leaving the white box is making the lack of marlboro symbol even more obvious. On top of that, being such a simple shape means nobody in their right mind can complain about it.
Click to expand...

There's clever and there is stupid. Breaking a rule such as this is not clever and the typical Ferrari childish attitude to what is a very serious global matter shouldn't be applauded.

If the team are going to act all 'clever' about it I hope the FIA take some action. Ultimately, I'm fairly sure the countries in which the races are held can ultimately protest Ferrari's presence for one.

Now, who's in charge of the FIA :banghead:
 
I didn't realise the bar-code had anything to do with Marlboro, now I do knw however I could really fancy a smoke.

Thanks media!
 
Smoke'm if you've gotte'm !

Still a licensed , legal product and a source of taxes.

Besides I recall a British study that said smokers were less of a healthcare cost/drain because it kills many smokers earlier in their lives and other s who live longer diseases are chronic conditions such as heart disease !

Yes I have not quit yet, darn bar codes keep me smoking :lol:

Back to racing!
 
Fastas
There's clever and there is stupid. Breaking a rule such as this is not clever and the typical Ferrari childish attitude to what is a very serious global matter shouldn't be applauded.

If the team are going to act all 'clever' about it I hope the FIA take some action. Ultimately, I'm fairly sure the countries in which the races are held can ultimately protest Ferrari's presence for one.

Now, who's in charge of the FIA :banghead:
Click to expand...

Its not breaking a rule, thats the clever bit.
 
Ardius
Its not breaking a rule, thats the clever bit.
Click to expand...

In 2001 the FIA made an agreement with the tobacco companies, the racing teams and the World Health Organisation that all association with Tobacco and Formula 1 would end in 2006. In 2005 the EU passed the law to prevent tobacco advertising and tried to implement it on F1 (note EU and not world). The fall out of the 2006 season then ensued with the then 'subliminal' or 'clever' advertising strategies.

Taking Ferrari as an example:

2006 regular livery
F1_2006.jpg


2006 with 'clever' strategy :dunce:
F12006NS-1.jpg


2007 the bar code
F12007-1.jpg
 
So who're you guys taking for the race? Button? Hamilton? Alonso? Vettel? Rosberg? Shumacher? Webber? Massa? Kubica?

A lot of potential winners. I think Hamilton will come back with a charge, maybe Shummy will suprise, Alonso is in his native state, Vettel with a point to prove, Webber not wanting to be shown up. Lots of ifs! I can't wait for practice to see where the cars stand.
 
Back